Immigration

[Bantry19]

So all this talk about sanctuary cities over the past decade (including Trump’s first term) was all bullshit? Seems to me that the narrative got louder and nothing else really changed at all until ICE was unleashed.

Sanctuary cities popped up in response to Trump's ham-fisted approach in his first term. The "sanctuary" policies are really not much more than a cheap political response in that they don't amount to much.

Sanctuary cities are still obligated by law to detain undocumented immigrants. What they don't do now, is hold them for longer than legally required. Meaning, they're not waiting on ICE to finish their door-to-door sweeps of residential neighborhoods to come get the undocumented immigrant already in their possession (sometimes takes ICE days or weeks to pick someone up).

A sanctuary city means NOTHING towards stopping federal law from being enforced.

 

[RDU Irish]

Are you talking about the deliberate suppression of information? Censorship online? Threatening jobs over the jab? Demanding to see peoples papers? What's the angle here?

Arresting people on the beach for one. I remember some clips of moms getting arrested at playgrounds. Maybe FBI arresting parents upset about boys in the girls room at school board meetings classifies too. I've already accepted freedom is a myth and all the BraveHearts on here that will not comply crack me up. Simps threw it all away over a tough cold but we need to go to arms over kicking out squatters.

 

[Bantry19]

The initial conditions of Trump 45 and Trump 47 are not the same. Not even close.

Don't forget- Biden did this in between.

Where did I say the initial conditions are the same? I said Trump's response to different conditions is the same.

Sort of like how you post pictures of brown people as a response to anything and everything.

 

[drayer54]

Where did I say the initial conditions are the same? I said Trump's response to different conditions is the same.

Sort of like how you post pictures of brown people as a response to anything and everything.

You keep saying that they handled the situation differently. I am just pointing out that the situation is different.

Here is an interesting take on the situation:

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The humane thing for all you bleeding hearts is to help your illegal friends and neighbors self deport for their own safety. For most that consists of not coming back after they visit their home country the next time.

My parents both voted for Trump. Their small town has a tomato picking / canning facility with illegal migrants who have been there for decades. These families go to their parish. My parents know them and raised us with their kids. My 2A Trump voting MAGA hat wearing dad is opening their house to those in need now at this time.

 

[ozzman]

There's a lot that I usually don't agree with Saagar on, but, he's furious about this. Rightly so. Good video with Ryan Grim

 

[IrishinSyria]

The initial conditions of Trump 45 and Trump 47 are not the same. Not even close.

Don't forget- Biden did this in between.

Ok, if the conditions are that bad and we're overrun with illegal immigrants, why is ICE spending so much time and energy going after people who are legally in the country: 1 day after judge orders release of Minneapolis resident Garrison Gibson, agents re-arrest him at immigration check-in

It's a little confusing, so here are the key facts:

- This guy has been in the US since he fled the Liberian civil war as a child.
- This guy was lawfully in the US subject to an order of supervision, which required him to periodically check in with immigration authorities.
- Just days after his last check in, where immigration authorities confirmed he was still good, ICE broke into his home without a judicial warrant.
- A federal judge ruled the arrest was unlawful and ordered that ICE release him.
- Days later he goes to check in again and they re-arrest him and send him to Fort Bliss without notice or process.

So I'm not accused of hiding anything, I'll point out the bad facts for me: he had one conviction for drug related offenses in 2008 (though that conviction was later dismissed) and there was an order from removal, but that preceded the order of supervision which allowed him to stay in the US.

So he's not perfect. But he has a family in the US, and he grew up here. He was here lawfully, and he was complying with all of the conditions that were attached to his presence in the US. Yet now we're spending time and resources breaking into his home, arresting him, and deporting him (to where?), breaking his family in the process, with no process and no explanation for what changed. How does this make us safer? How does this further the goal of adherence to the law--if anything this guy got screwed for complying with the law because it made him an easy target.

And, if you work in immigration (like I have) or if you pay attention to more than the admin's talking points, stories like this are super common. The rhetoric and the actual operations are just almost entirely divorced.

 

[drayer54]

Ok, if the conditions are that bad and we're overrun with illegal immigrants, why is ICE spending so much time and energy going after people who are legally in the country: 1 day after judge orders release of Minneapolis resident Garrison Gibson, agents re-arrest him at immigration check-in

It's a little confusing, so here are the key facts:

- This guy has been in the US since he fled the Liberian civil war as a child.
- This guy was lawfully in the US subject to an order of supervision, which required him to periodically check in with immigration authorities.
- Just days after his last check in, where immigration authorities confirmed he was still good, ICE broke into his home without a judicial warrant.
- A federal judge ruled the arrest was unlawful and ordered that ICE release him.
- Days later he goes to check in again and they re-arrest him and send him to Fort Bliss without notice or process.

So I'm not accused of hiding anything, I'll point out the bad facts for me: he had one conviction for drug related offenses in 2008 (though that conviction was later dismissed) and there was an order from removal, but that preceded the order of supervision which allowed him to stay in the US.

So he's not perfect. But he has a family in the US, and he grew up here. He was here lawfully, and he was complying with all of the conditions that were attached to his presence in the US. Yet now we're spending time and resources breaking into his home, arresting him, and deporting him (to where?), breaking his family in the process, with no process and no explanation for what changed. How does this make us safer? How does this further the goal of adherence to the law--if anything this guy got screwed for complying with the law because it made him an easy target.

And, if you work in immigration (like I have) or if you pay attention to more than the admin's talking points, stories like this are super common. The rhetoric and the actual operations are just almost entirely divorced.

I am sure there are several situations like this with nuance. I'm sure it isn't always simple. I'm sure there are several times where it is. That doesn't justify an insurgency or the insane rhetoric Walz is using.

Some agree on the rhetoric btw...

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I am sure there are several situations like this with nuance. I'm sure it isn't always simple. I'm sure there are several times where it is. That doesn't justify an insurgency or the insane rhetoric Walz is using.

Some agree on the rhetoric btw...

You do know that a Museum would never engage in something like this unless asked to do so?

I wonder if they perhaps they were asked (ordered) to post this?

 

[drayer54]

You do know that a Museum would never engage in something like this unless asked to do so?

I wonder if they perhaps they were asked (ordered) to post this?

What other crazy things do you believe to be true?

 

[Fbolt]

Ok, if the conditions are that bad and we're overrun with illegal immigrants, why is ICE spending so much time and energy going after people who are legally in the country: 1 day after judge orders release of Minneapolis resident Garrison Gibson, agents re-arrest him at immigration check-in

It's a little confusing, so here are the key facts:

- This guy has been in the US since he fled the Liberian civil war as a child.
- This guy was lawfully in the US subject to an order of supervision, which required him to periodically check in with immigration authorities.
- Just days after his last check in, where immigration authorities confirmed he was still good, ICE broke into his home without a judicial warrant.
- A federal judge ruled the arrest was unlawful and ordered that ICE release him.
- Days later he goes to check in again and they re-arrest him and send him to Fort Bliss without notice or process.

So I'm not accused of hiding anything, I'll point out the bad facts for me: he had one conviction for drug related offenses in 2008 (though that conviction was later dismissed) and there was an order from removal, but that preceded the order of supervision which allowed him to stay in the US.

So he's not perfect. But he has a family in the US, and he grew up here. He was here lawfully, and he was complying with all of the conditions that were attached to his presence in the US. Yet now we're spending time and resources breaking into his home, arresting him, and deporting him (to where?), breaking his family in the process, with no process and no explanation for what changed. How does this make us safer? How does this further the goal of adherence to the law--if anything this guy got screwed for complying with the law because it made him an easy target.

And, if you work in immigration (like I have) or if you pay attention to more than the admin's talking points, stories like this are super common. The rhetoric and the actual operations are just almost entirely divorced.

I'd say that ICE doesn't spend any time trying to arrest people here legally. When 10-20 million illegals are allowed in the country, you have what IIS would understand as a "Clusterfuck". When you have a clusterfuck, the first thing you have to do is UnFuck it. Welcome to the UnFuck it stage.

Mistakes occur in this UFI stage. In fact, mistakes occur when any large-scale op occurs. Sounds like GG and some of the others you may have referenced.

 

[GoIrish41]

Speaking of cause and effect, you conveniently ignore the effect on all this that harassing and interfering with LE and feds doing their job enforcing the law. They aren't having these sorts of confrontations elsewhere because there aren't thousands of paid protestors interfering, harassing them, blocking their vehicles, or assaulting them. That's the cause that's producing the effect you don't like. Take away the organized socialist protestors who are intentionally interfering with law enforcement doing its jobs and you don't have that effect any more.

Pretti was standing on the sidewalk filming. Good was driving her car away from the agents. I’ve said that. What did they do that caused lethal force to be used? They weren’t interfering with law enforcement. They were exercising their constitutional right to protest. Take away the unwelcome thugs in body armor yielding weapons and harassing people and you have no protestors. Cause meets effect.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'd say that ICE doesn't spend any time trying to arrest people here legally. When 10-20 million illegals are allowed in the country, you have what IIS would understand as a "Clusterfuck". When you have a clusterfuck, the first thing you have to do is UnFuck it. Welcome to the UnFuck it stage.

Mistakes occur in this UFI stage. In fact, mistakes occur when any large-scale op occurs. Sounds like GG and some of the others you may have referenced.

Yeah it’s all so unfucked now.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'd say that ICE doesn't spend any time trying to arrest people here legally. When 10-20 million illegals are allowed in the country, you have what IIS would understand as a "Clusterfuck". When you have a clusterfuck, the first thing you have to do is UnFuck it. Welcome to the UnFuck it stage.

Mistakes occur in this UFI stage. In fact, mistakes occur when any large-scale op occurs. Sounds like GG and some of the others you may have referenced.

Where is this figure coming from

 

[Fbolt]

Pretti was standing on the sidewalk filming. Good was driving her car away from the agents. I’ve said that. What did they do that caused lethal force to be used? They weren’t interfering with law enforcement. They were exercising their constitutional right to protest. Take away the unwelcome thugs in body armor yielding weapons and harassing people and you have no protestors. Cause meets effect.

They failed to comply with LE orders. One said F it and drove towards an officer, likely striking him although obliquely from my POV, and the other resisted arrest. To say one was filming while the other was driving away is a mischaracterization.

 

[drayer54]

I’ve been staring down a monitor and working because of the storm for days and need to be off for the night, but will sign off on this -
My buddy at work calls me and opens up with

“More Corrupt- State of Minnesota or the College Football Playoff Committee”

I was speechless.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Pretti was standing on the sidewalk filming. Good was driving her car away from the agents. I’ve said that. What did they do that caused lethal force to be used? They weren’t interfering with law enforcement. They were exercising their constitutional right to protest. Take away the unwelcome thugs in body armor yielding weapons and harassing people and you have no protestors. Cause meets effect.

Pretti was interfering. I had to to have a talk with my son last night. He doesn't like ICE and has heard they aren't 'real' police. I told them they most certainly are and you don't have to like them. But you do not interfere, try to stop, harrass or smartmouth any of them in any way. You treat them like a sheriff, a state trooper or the FBI. Yes sir and do whatever they tell you.

He also pushed a federal agent when they stopped him from helping the woman. Thats a big no no. First off, shes a big girl . Shes out cosplaying Les Mis in minus degree weather and was probably going to be detained. Secondly, its a crime.Stay out of it. It doesnt concern you.

Pretti then wrestled with them when they tried arresting him for shoving a federal agent. Another big no no and breathtakingly stupid considering he was armed. They took his gun, it apparently discharged(that gun is notorious for discharging when dropped or grabbed agressively)freakingveveryone out and someone shouted 'gun'. That's when he was shot. Keep in mind all of this is going on while a group of people are blowing whistles(purposely intended to jolt your nerves and responses, raising your fight or flight response). Yelling in megaphone and honking cars.

Did he deserve to die? Of course not. He should be in jail right now with Renee Good.

 

[LifelongFan]

They failed to comply with LE orders. One said F it and drove towards an officer, likely striking him although obliquely from my POV, and the other resisted arrest. To say one was filming while the other was driving away is a mischaracterization.

What arrest was he resisting? He helped a woman and they started attacking him. He wasn't under arrest. He was being jumped.

 

[LifelongFan]

Bovine is out and Miller and Noem are being thrown under the bus. Obviously the cattle are arguing in favor of this murder, but this is an 80:20 issue that even the idiots in control can see.

 

[GoIrish41]

They failed to comply with LE orders. One said F it and drove towards an officer, likely striking him although obliquely from my POV, and the other resisted arrest. To say one was filming while the other was driving away is a mischaracterization.

Her last words were “I’m not mad at you.” His last action was to lower his phone to offer assistance to a woman that was thrown forcefully to the ground. He wasn’t resisting arrest. You are FoS.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

What other crazy things do you believe to be true?

Trump calls Smithsonian 'OUT OF CONTROL' and orders sweeping review of all museums and programming

Trump orders sweeping Smithsonian review after blasting museums as “woke," vowing to reshape exhibits to emphasize unity, progress and American exceptionalism.

www.foxnews.com

My brother in Christ, please listen. I know you are proud and a passionate American. But please do not allow your heart to he hardened.

 

[GoIrish41]

Pretti was interfering. I had to to have a talk with my son last night. He doesn't like ICE and has heard they aren't 'real' police. I told them they most certainly are and you don't have to like them. But you do not interfere, try to stop, harrass or smartmouth any of them in any way. You treat them like a sheriff, a state trooper or the FBI. Yes sir and do whatever they tell you.

He also pushed a federal agent when they stopped him from helping the woman. Thats a big no no. First off, shes a big girl . Shes out cosplaying Les Mis in minus degree weather and was probably going to be detained. Secondly, its a crime.Stay out of it. It doesnt concern you.

Pretti then wrestled with them when they tried arresting him for shoving a federal agent. Another big no no and breathtakingly stupid considering he was armed. They took his gun, it apparently discharged(that gun is notorious for discharging when dropped or grabbed agressively)freakingveveryone out and someone shouted 'gun'. That's when he was shot. Keep in mind all of this is going on while a group of people are blowing whistles(purposely intended to jolt your nerves and responses, raising your fight or flight response). Yelling in megaphone and honking cars.

Did he deserve to die? Of course not. He should be in jail right now with Renee Good.

He didn’t push anyone. We’ve all seen the videos. He didn’t resist arrest. He was still holding his phone after they removed his gun and shot him. You are making shit up.

 

[Blazers46]

I’m fine with how things are going in regard to ICE. With the amount of politics involved and the amount of attacks these agitators have done I’m surprised it’s not much worse to be honest. Every death is tragic but these people are intentionally putting themselves in harms way. Snowballs, iceballs, ICE has been bloodied and bruised with little recourse and it’s bee crickets until someone gets hurt. It’s sad. Get the fuck home and have dinner with your families, instead you’re out throwing rocks and trying to assault and disrupt federal officers, yay go team dumbass…

 

[Blazers46]

I would guess the majority or probably all of the people on this board don’t really care about the deaths but it’s political ammo to work with.

 

[LifelongFan]

I would guess the majority or probably all of the people on this board don’t really care about the deaths but it’s political ammo to work with.

That's because you fundamentally don't understand about caring for fellow people, even ones we haven't met.

 

[GATTACA!]

Trump calls Smithsonian 'OUT OF CONTROL' and orders sweeping review of all museums and programming

Trump orders sweeping Smithsonian review after blasting museums as “woke," vowing to reshape exhibits to emphasize unity, progress and American exceptionalism.

www.foxnews.com

My brother in Christ, please listen. I know you are proud and a passionate American. But please do not allow your heart to he hardened.

He was calling them animals yesterday. You're speaking to a wall.

 

[Blazers46]

That's because you fundamentally don't understand about caring for fellow people, even ones we haven't met.

What are you doing besides posting on a college football message board?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

What are you doing besides posting on a college football message board?

How do you know what he does?

 

[Blazers46]

How do you know what he does?

I don’t. That’s why I asked.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I don’t. That’s why I asked.

Why do you ask for everyone's resume? Who are you to judge?