2025 College Football Playoffs

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Alabama did not get in because of metrics and at no point in time was that ever really presented as part of their case. In fact, their salesmen on ESPN during the reveal show said that Alabama was explicitly not an "eye test" darling (metrics=eye test more or less) but was stating their case via their resume.

If you're not a believer in metrics then you really don't have much of a cause to be upset with ND's exclusion as our resume lagged behind Alabama's in many ways and Miami had the head to head.
Yes I do.

Bama got smoked by a shitty Florida State team at the beginning of the season and was non competitive against Georgia to end the season with another loss in between.

They had three losses one to a shit team. ND had two losses to two playoff teams. I don’t need a super computer to tell me ND should be in instead of Bama.

2 close losses to good teams is better than 3 losses particularly when one loss was to a shitty team and the other was a complete blowout.

Again, shit ain’t complicated.
 

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Yes I do.

Bama got smoked by shitty Florida State at the beginning of the season and Georgia to end the season with another loss in between.

They had three losses one to a shit team. ND had two losses to two playoff teams. I don’t need a super computer to tell me ND should be in instead of Bama.
But Alabama had better wins throughout the year and played a much tougher schedule. Besides, if we're going to get into how bad losses are, Miami had two bad losses as well.

And what about BYU? Why are you not considering them? Their losses were to the #4 ranked team and they have one extra win over us.
 

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But Alabama had better wins throughout the year and played a much tougher schedule. Besides, if we're going to get into how bad losses are, Miami had two bad losses as well.

And what about BYU? Why are you not considering them? Their losses were to the #4 ranked team and they have one extra win over us.
And this goes back to my original point - we cant possibly comprehend all the machinations of a complete football season at once. Before you know it, you have gone 10 degrees of separation and forgot where you started...team A beat team B who beat team C but lost to team D etc etc...and thats not even considering how those games were played.
 

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But Alabama had better wins throughout the year and played a much tougher schedule. Besides, if we're going to get into how bad losses are, Miami had two bad losses as well.

And what about BYU? Why are you not considering them? Their losses were to the #4 ranked team and they have one extra win over us.
Aside from the Georgia win, which can he viewed as being negated by getting blown out by the same team to end the season, what other wins did they have that were truly impressive? Comparatively, were there times that they simply looked non-competitive in certain games? Clearly the answer is yes (also true of BYU).

Ultimately, none of it is actually related to wins or losses. I truly think Alabama could have lost by 40+ in the SEC championship game and still wouldn't have dropped. It was all predetermined at least two weeks prior.
 

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Bama is the only school that didn’t drop in the final CFP rankings after the CCG’s, correct? BYU, UVA, OSU all dropped after they lost.
Including OSU in that is somewhat disingenuous because it ignores that they dropped a spot solely to reward IU for winning that game. If you can't be rewarded for winning, then absolutely nobody will play those games.
 

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Ok, so let's just stick with basic 4th grade math transitive property and declare Florida the national champion. You totally missed the point.
It ain’t the transitive property.

It’s like kindergarten math.

3 (Bama loses) is more than 2 (ND loses)

Team with more loses is out.
 

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And this goes back to my original point - we cant possibly comprehend all the machinations of a complete football season at once. Before you know it, you have gone 10 degrees of separation and forgot where you started...team A beat team B who beat team C but lost to team D etc etc...and thats not even considering how those games were played.

Aside from the Georgia win, which can he viewed as being negated by getting blown out by the same team to end the season, what other wins did they have that were truly impressive? Comparatively, were there times that they simply looked non-competitive in certain games? Clearly the answer is yes (also true of BYU).

Ultimately, none of it is actually related to wins or losses. I truly think Alabama could have lost by 40+ in the SEC championship game and still wouldn't have dropped. It was all predetermined at least two weeks prior.
I agree with your very last point, that none of the "data" really mattered and there were other reasons for putting Bama in, but in terms of the public case that was debated, wanting to exclude BYU or Alabama really relied on "metrics." Once you start comparing losses and getting into margin of defeat, those are just "metrics" that computer models already bake into their rankings.

One of the pro-Alabama contingent's loudest talking points was SOS, but SOS is already accounted for in the computer models, you don't need to isolate that metric, unless you're cherry picking for a reason.

CFB, as InKellyWeTrust noted, is not the NFL, there's too many teams with too much variance in SOS, talent levels, etc. There's a ton of noise, and the models help to weed through all of that noise. This is why the BCS system was fine and we should have just kept it for the playoffs. The "problem" with the computers is they cannot be lobbied, pressured, or bribed.

Switching to a committee was sold as a "human touch" that could apply "common sense" and "provide flexibility." Those are code words for exactly what we saw on Sunday.

And there's no need to fear analytics. This same debate was had over the past 15 years or so in MLB and the most analytically savvy franchises in the Majors consistently perform the best and a team like the Dodgers that merged it with a large, smartly spent payroll, has won back to back titles and has been the most consistently great franchise in the game over the past decade plus.
 

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It ain’t the transitive property.

It’s like kindergarten math.

3 (Bama loses) is more than 2 (ND loses)

Team with more loses is out.
11 (BYU's wins) is more than 10 (ND's wins)

Team with the least wins is out.
 

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And this goes back to my original point - we cant possibly comprehend all the machinations of a complete football season at once. Before you know it, you have gone 10 degrees of separation and forgot where you started...team A beat team B who beat team C but lost to team D etc etc...and thats not even considering how those games were played.
Maybe they should build in a metrics for which player ate bad fish the night before, amount of dew on the ball, average wind speed during the game, which teams underwear didn’t fit right, which teams coach was dealing with banging an intern…
11 (BYU's wins) is more than 10 (ND's wins)

Team with the least losses is out.
So be it.

Would make more sense than the current bullshit.

Don’t lose (particularly to a shit team). Pretty simple concept.
 
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Including OSU in that is somewhat disingenuous because it ignores that they dropped a spot solely to reward IU for winning that game. If you can't be rewarded for winning, then absolutely nobody will play those games.
I guess if you are rewarded for the win then it is fair to be penalized for the loss, my point being that Bama should have also dropped, IMO.
 

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I would tend to agree, but Bluto was doing an NFL style straight accounting of the W/L column. Anything more than that and we're getting into "metrics."
Not really. Bama lost to three FBS teams. ND lost to two. Again, simple math no metrics needed.
 

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Ok sure.

My only complaint is that Bama made the playoffs in lieu of ND and all this ND “was better in the models than Miami” cry baby nonsense only served as a convenient distraction from the core argument that Bama should have been the first team out because they’re objectively not that good as demonstrated by the fact that they lost three games, two of which were blowouts.

Again, this shit ain’t that complicated.

Bama should've been out, absolutely. But I think you're drastically diminishing the benefits of using analytics to discern between teams who have the same records. How do you feel about Oklahoma, for example?

If you want to completely ignore computers, fine. Go back to pre-BCS era, where they used the AP and Coaches polls. Oh wait....ND is ahead of Miami in those too. Doh!

Too many people are hung up on Miami vs ND H2H, and it caused a distraction. I completely agree. I view what happened with the committee, the SEC, Oklahoma and Bama as corruption. And what happened with the committee, the ACC, and Miami/Duke/UVA as collusion. At the end of the day, ND got screwed.

I just think you're way oversimplifying a massively complex issue.
 
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Bama should've been out, absolutely. But I think you're drastically diminishing the benefits to using analytics to discern between teams who have the same records. How do you feel about Oklahoma, for example?

If you want to completely ignore computers, fine. Go back to pre-BCS era, where they used the AP and Coaches polls. Oh wait....ND is ahead of Miami in those too. Doh!

Too many people are hung up on Miami vs ND H2H, and it caused a distraction. I completely agree. I view what happened with the committee, the SEC, Oklahoma and Bama as corruption. And what happened with the committee, the ACC, and Miami/Duke/UVA as collusion. At the end of the day, ND got screwed.

I just think you're way oversimplifying a massively complex issue.
Bingo. And then the longer you debate someone in that mindset, the more they start to rely on things other than just a straight W/L record and venture into playing an FCS school (SOS/SOR), margin of defeat, etc. Everything is a "metric." All of these computer models weren't just developed because people were bored, it's because we need a way to gather, collate, and discern the massive quantities of data from across the 10 FBS conferences to make better informed decisions. Going simply off of W/L is how that shitty 1984 BYU team won a national title.

The problem with this year wasn't the committee used "metrics" and not "plain common sense," the problem is the committee ignored both and made political and financial decisions.
 

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Through 16 the “committee” just copied computers aside from Notre Dame and the H2H of Texas and Vanderbilt. This is what the reality of the “committee” is. They are not ball watchers, they do not debate things, there is no resume. They do what a computer tells them to and then make whatever manual adjustment is required to fulfill their business objective.

- ND drop for what we have all discussed
- Texas ahead of Vanderbilt correlates with ND decision to make H2H matter + “forgives” an early season marquee TV spot loss as much as possible.

That’s it, turn in the piece of paper and with 2 decisions it’s done.
 

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Through 16 the “committee” just copied computers aside from Notre Dame and the H2H of Texas and Vanderbilt. This is what the reality of the “committee” is. They are not ball watchers, they do not debate things, there is no resume. They do what a computer tells them to and then make whatever manual adjustment is required to fulfill their business objective.

- ND drop for what we have all discussed
- Texas ahead of Vanderbilt correlates with ND decision to make H2H matter + “forgives” an early season marquee TV spot loss as much as possible.

That’s it, turn in the piece of paper and with 2 decisions it’s done.
I also thought it was funny that Navy wasn't ranked because that would give ND a second ranked win and obliterate the idea that they had a "close" resume with either of the teams that jumped them.
 

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You guys are retarded. ESPN DESPERATELY wanted Notre Dame in the field for the ratings.
You would think so but everything that went on says otherwise. Can’t believe no one is talking much about bama being the first 3 loss team making it in that isn’t a conf champion! Add to which they have looked like shit for a month!
 

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Alabama did not get in because of metrics and at no point in time was that ever really presented as part of their case. In fact, their salesmen on ESPN during the reveal show said that Alabama was explicitly not an "eye test" darling (metrics=eye test more or less) but was stating their case via their resume.

If you're not a believer in metrics then you really don't have much of a cause to be upset with ND's exclusion as our resume lagged behind Alabama's in many ways and Miami had the head to head.
2 losses > 3 losses don’t GAS who those losses are against and being inal a championship game is just nonsense and when you get rolled like they did you don’t limp in for a rematch of another recent beatdown. No other team has ever made it in with 3 losses and not a conf champion. Add to that how badly they were trounced. Should have been a 28-0 beatdown. Courtesy TD from the refs and dipshit #15 on GA. Only guy pissed at Bama getting beat out would be that monkey eared Paul Finebaum.
 

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Anyone have the list of injured players that Deboer spouted off would be back for the playoffs? Be interesting to see how truthful he was being. A lot of analysts pointed out that he did that so they would get FSU’d.
 

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Ok initially I swore off all CFB until the blue gold game but now my venom wants to see the following, please correct if I should root differently:

Navy beats Army

Any of our opponents win their bowl games to upgrade their resumes and therefore ours.

A&M trounces Miami and if Miami wins them they go on to win it all and make the most of their break to get in over us. If A&M wins they can win it all.

More than Anything I want Bama to get destroyed by Ok. Want their existence in their to be second guess for years to come.

Ole Miss destroys Tulane ina rematch of their 45-7 beatdown making this rematch an obvious waste of time.

Oregon either gets upset by JM or completely obliterates them making more of a farce or this entire process. Will shine an even brighter light on how ND 4th best odds by Vegas should be in.

In the end I anticipate Ohio State playing pissed off again and if Indiana makes it far enough Ohio State will beat them by double digits.

Other Bowl games:

Want Texas to lose
Want Vandy to lose
Want BYU to lose
Want any SEC team to lose

Want ESPNs ratings to suck a bag of Dicks and not a bag of Dicks Burgers in WA!

Am I missing anything? Maybe I’m ok with Ole Miss doing well without Lane and him getting zero credit for it.

So any of our guys play in the Shrine game? Senior Bowl? Anything else out there I should be paying attention to or rooting for our against?

I have to say I got really sick or rooting for teams like USC and others to win when it goes against my religion. I expect ND to win every game next year and leave an path of destruction in their wake!

Marcus is not going to leave it in the judges hands ever again.

Good luck to the exiting seniors who have a 100% and got the shaft.
 
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