2025 College Football Playoffs

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Did you notice that I AGREED with the idea that Bama should've been out and ND in? I just said that I understood the reason it didn't happen, not that I agreed with it.

You also stated you get why they put Bama in. I'd like to hear it, grab every data point you possibly can to help it make sense. But any data point you pull must be comparative in nature so explain why ND was deficient there. Why did they bump above ND last week?

Do you get why Bama was 2/38 teams who lost in CCG but didn't move a spot. The other was TCU after losing in overtime and who had gone 12-0.

 

[IrishTusker]

I mean this is going nowhere, but I’ll try again.

I’m just asking we don’t take our foot off the gas and lose fourth quarters to Stanford next year.

I don’t doubt that ACC politicking played a huge factor in what happened today as well, but there is (3) known criteria that they put on their website and media briefings for how they decide rankings between teams in the same groupings, which because BYU lost we found ourselves in with Miami.

Miami beat us H2H, had better scoring margin against common opponents, and had basically the same SOS.

One of those (3) we could control over the last (6) weeks of the season, and I felt like we could have done more to make a better case against Miami in a H2H resume comparison.

You can say it didn’t matter, and that is fine.
I’m just going off what they “say” they make their decisions upon.

What they say is not the actual reason. They'll say anything to justify whatever they want to do. Losing to Miami is part of what screwed us (there is a long list), the margins later weren't the main issue. They weren't going to overcome a H2H loss.

 

[jprue24]

These motherfuckers...

 

[KPENN]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I haven't seen one person make a good argument for why teams should play in bowl games ever in my life.

Prior to the playoffs and NIL it was extra month of practice that non bowl teams weren’t allowed by NCAA and the players got some gifts.

IMP that hardly outweighed the risk of a possibility of a season ending or career ending injury

 

[jprue24]

Just create a super conference e of the top 32 teams and play a NFL style playoff. This system is broken. Totally.

They should go to a promotion/relegation system.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They should go to a promotion/relegation system.

Yes!

 

[OrlaNDomer]

Why though?

The same issues would apply...

Opts out, potential injuries, etc.

The only postseason games that matter are the playoffs.

The reason is to further stick it to ESPN and give the younger players the practices and experience.

 

[Bane]

Actually, Kansas St and Iowa state beat us to the punch. They opted out due to coaching changes .

And "Booger" on ESPN isn't having a crashout about them.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

What they say is not the actual reason. They'll say anything to justify whatever they want to do. Losing to Miami is part of what screwed us (there is a long list), the margins later weren't the main issue. They weren't going to overcome a H2H loss.

Yeah, that is fair.
It is entirely likely we could have beat Pitt and Stanford both by 40 points and it wouldn’t have made a difference in the H2H comparison.

I just would have liked to have seen that, and felt like it was within our control, and we took our foot off the gas in the second half of both those games big time.

 

[Dale]

I mean this is going nowhere, but I’ll try again.

I’m just asking we don’t take our foot off the gas and lose fourth quarters to Stanford next year.

I don’t doubt that ACC politicking played a huge factor in what happened today as well, but there is (3) known criteria that they put on their website and media briefings for how they decide rankings between teams in the same groupings, which because BYU lost we found ourselves in with Miami.

Miami beat us H2H, had better scoring margin against common opponents, and had basically the same SOS.

One of those (3) we could control over the last (6) weeks of the season, and I felt like we could have done more to make a better case against Miami in a H2H resume comparison.

You can say it didn’t matter, and that is fine.
I’m just going off what they “say” they make their decisions upon.

Did any of those things change from Tuesday to today?

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yurachek would've benefited society more if he would've been aborted...... And I'm pro life

 

[NDVirginia19]

We're cruising out of Port Everglades on the 29th.

Do yourself a favor and check out St. Augustine. You can get about 36-48 hours out of it

 

[thekid33]

The reason is to further stick it to ESPN and give the younger players the practices and experience.

While I applaud the spirit of "fuck ESPN," the risks of injury are too high.

It really sucks that EE kids can't participate in the extra practices. If that was the case, I'd be more open to seeing the value in playing.

As it stands now, our guys going to the NFL would opt out and we just risk injuries to the guys that we need for our revenge tour next season.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

These motherfuckers...

This makes more sense now. We fucking smoked his team and emptied his stadium in three quarters. Butthurt fucker is able to remain unbiased for sure.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Did any of those things change from Tuesday to today?

No, but we lost the BYU buffer and those (3) criterias came into focus when Miami was right next to us.

I don’t agree with any of this, believe me.

I’m just trying to make sense of it, and figure out how we can play the game better for the future.

 

[Dale]

No, but we lost the BYU buffer and those (3) criterias came into focus when Miami was right next to us.

I don’t agree with any of this, believe me.

I’m just trying to make sense of it, and figure out how we can play the game better for the future.

Buffers aren’t real. Oh now they are next to us? None of what you’re saying is real.

Nothing the ND football team did since they left the field of the A&M game has a single thing to do with today’s result.

 

[irishff1014]

Just create a super conference e of the top 32 teams and play a NFL style playoff. This system is broken. Totally.

They can’t pick 12 teams. What makes you think a group can pick a top 32 team conference?

 

[thekid33]

I’m just trying to make sense of it, and figure out how we can play the game better for the future.

Accept that it's corrupt. That's the only way to make sense of it.

As for the future, short of joining a conference, we clearly can't lose more than 1 game.

 

[Bane]

Yeah, against a walk on lacrosse player freshman QB.
That isn’t the game I was talking about.

The committee used performance against common opponents as a metric in the decision.
They referenced how Miami fared equal to ND in those games.

We could have beat Pitt and Stanford by 40+ easily if we didn’t take our foot off the gas.
That could have made a difference, and when we had the H2H metric playing against us, the coaching staff should have realized that.

Brother, we won 10 games by an average margin of ~30 points. You're trying to find logic in what was a corrupt, political process. Our merits or demerits weren't taken into consideration.

 

[OrlaNDomer]

Who says no to going back to BCS rankings instead of committee? How is a group of obviously biased individuals a better way to decide who goes to playoffs than computer models that have been tested and used before?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

These motherfuckers...

This one is more egregious than almost all the other bullshit parrot points these guys regurgitated all day.

Like holy shit.


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[NDRock]

No, but we lost the BYU buffer and those (3) criterias came into focus when Miami was right next to us.

I don’t agree with any of this, believe me.

I’m just trying to make sense of it, and figure out how we can play the game better for the future.

Don’t step foot in a MLM or timeshare sales pitch.

 

[Dale]

We got an extra Deeper Than Hate game out it ND opting out. Those two teams will want to be there and play. All you hipster media folks can watch like it’s your favorite indie band. Happy now?

 

[DCDomer]

They should go to a promotion/relegation system.

This would be fun. Make it regional.

Let's say it's 6 team divisions. NFL-style Round Robin + 3 cross-division games. No CCG's.

Northeast, Southeast (no Texas), Midwest, Southwest (Texas schools here), West Coast, etc.

At the end of the season, bottom 2 move down, bottom 2 move up.

Let's pretend we fast forward in the future of this model (but use this year's Sagarin ratings to determine outcomes of a hypothetical previous season.

"Midwest Region Division 1"
1. OSU
2. Indiana
3. Notre Dame
4. Iowa
5. Michigan
6. Illinois

"Midwest Region Division 2"
1. NDSU
2. Iowa State
3. Nebraska
4. Wisconsin
5. Minnesota
6. Toledo

Maybe a play-off for Bottom 2/Top 2 in case of tiebreaks, etc.

Spitballing here... will probably waste a lot of time putting together a full national structure this offseason lol

 

[BoredIrish]

Confirmed... Shane Gillis is on this board

 

[thekid33]

Who says no to going back to BCS rankings instead of committee? How is a group of obviously biased individuals a better way to decide who goes to playoffs than computer models that have been tested and used before?

I agree, but the SEC has too much ability to influence a human committee to agree to go back to computers.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Can the mods combine the multiple threads regarding the CFP? Seems like a lot of redundancy that could be covered in one thread. Just a thought.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

Brother, we won 10 games by an average margin of ~30 points. You're trying to find logic in what was a corrupt, political process. Our merits or demerits weren't taken into consideration.

I’ll try this one last time.
I’m speaking about the specific criteria they “say” they use when looking between two teams in the same grouping.
Which we found ourselves in with Miami once BYU was moved down, and Alabama was protected.

We didn’t have a better head to head comparison against Miami in any of the (3) criteria.

H2H
Performance against common opponents (scoring margin).
SOS

We’re talking about very fine margins when we already had (2) losses and knew our SOS wasn’t going to be great this year.
I personally felt like we could have done better vs Pittsburgh and Stanford in the second half and helped our case against Miami who for the last month felt like the team most likely we would be pitted against for one of the final at large bids. I understand that sounds crazy to some, but again we’re talking about very fine margins when we already had two losses.

Just my feeling on the situation.
It’s obvious there is a lot of disagreement.
I appreciate that, and realize I’m not changing any minds.

Go Irish and sorry for an awful day.
I know everyone is hurting.

 

[Irish Norseman]

The importance of ND winning a national championship in the next few years is so important. We are right there and we need to stick it to all these mother fuckers. And when we win we better go scorched earth and troll everyone.