2025 College Football Playoffs

[T-Boone]

I don't understand the double counting thing at all. Miami can only jump us, if they are next to us. BYU losing puts them next to us. We should have jumped Bama to not be in this situation, and in all honestly should have jumped Okla too...but why would the committee allow us to jump 2 SEC teams when it makes sense? Corruption....

It would be double counting because they have factored Miami beating ND in a game already to get them their current ranking, if they take that win out they would be ranked lower. You are suggesting they are proposing to do that (factor it in) to get them to ND11 & Miami12 respectively and then do it again to flip them.
That is double counting. Do you agree?

 

[Huntr]

 

[Bane]

God these guys are insufferable at this point.

Maybe their incessant rambling starts to turn the committee off.

I did have the thought that Freeman's classy response that he would "agree to disagree" with the decision to drop us in the ranking but didn't blast the committee or the process probably doesn't hurt our standing in the eyes of the committee. Sark's incessant, petulant whining and Cristobal's "highest of roads" would make double down in my opinion.

 

[MrNimbus]

Oh my goodness. Miami has just gone straight "herlihy boy".

"He's a clean boy. Let him into the playoffs!!!"

 

[Rudy89]

It’s important to call out that Miami *has literally never won the ACC Championship.*

You know how many times they’ve even played for it? Once. You know how many times Notre Dame has played for it? Once. In their only season in the ACC.

I honestly didn’t know that. I thought for sure they had won it early in their time there but alas I don’t follow other teams nearly as closely as ND so you would know more than me.

 

[Irish du Nord]

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Also, they are using superlatives when they should be using comparative adjectives. This really cuts my confidence in the educational aspects of the Big 12.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

I did have the thought that Freeman's classy response that he would "agree to disagree" with the decision to drop us in the ranking but didn't blast the committee or the process probably doesn't hurt our standing in the eyes of the committee. Sark's incessant, petulant whining and Cristobal's "highest of roads" would make double down in my opinion.

Had the same thought. It’s either that or it’ll help the committee leave us out because we’ll handle it better and there will be less outcry.

It’s going to be whatever the committee makes of it, which no one knows (like everything else).

 

[Kingbish01]

Honestly this is true of Miami too. The system is broken, and us (probably) being on the right side of it doesn’t change that.

At least, the system is broken if you understand the goal of the system to produce the 12 most deserving teams for the playoffs. Arguably that’s an impossible goal given that there will almost inevitably be teams with similar records and virtually no overlap that fall into the bubble.

If the purpose of the system is to (a) always include every team that would have been in national title consideration under previous formats (b) provide a reasonably fair process for selecting a handful of teams that would never have had a shot under prior formats and (c) generate a ton of attention for the sport, I kind of think the system is working well.

I agree with everything you say. But I'm not sure I agree the system is broken until I see what they do with ND because they are the wild card. Every team that has a legitimate shot at winning the Natty is in the playoffs.....excluding ND. So it sure beats the 2 and 4 teams from years back.

I'll die on the hill that Miami may be one of the best 12 teams, but they aren't winning a Natty.

OSU, Indiana, UGA, ND, Oregon and maaaaaybe TT....IMO the Natty can only be won by one of those 6 teams. I don't think anyone else that makes it has a prayer to win it all.

 

[wallym]

It would be double counting because they have factored Miami beating ND in a game already to get them their current ranking, if they take that win out they would be ranked lower. You are suggesting they are proposing to do that (factor it in) to get them to ND11 & Miami12 respectively and then do it again to flip them.
That is double counting. Do you agree?

I haven't thought about it that way....interesting. I somewhat agree, and you've made me think about this. However, the team in between us still has to play...so if BYU loses, then it's obvious UM will be right next to us...which I'm saying gives the Corrupts a chance for them to jump us...but that would be double counting the H2H. Hmmmmm.....maybe.

 

[Bane]

I agree with everything you say. But I'm not sure I agree the system is broken until I see what they do with ND because they are the wild card. Every team that has a legitimate shot at winning the Natty is in the playoffs.....excluding ND. So it sure beats the 2 and 4 teams from years back.

I'll die on the hill that Miami may be one of the best 12 teams, but they aren't winning a Natty.

OSU, Indiana, UGA, ND, Oregon and maaaaaybe TT....the Natty can only be won by one of those 6 teams. I don't think anyone else that makes it has a prayer to win it all.

Of course I'm biased but to me it's ND and OSU and then a step down to UGA (interesting note on UGA, they trailed for more game time than any other team in the top 10, over 3 hours of game time) and maybe Oregon (I remain thoroughly unsold on Oregon).

Indiana I'm reserving judgement on until I see them against OSU, but my gut tells me they can win a playoff game (or two) depending on matchups but is not good enough to string together 3 or 4 wins against playoff teams. This is my opinion of Miami as well. Good enough to make some noise but not good enough to win a title. So long as Cristobal is their HC they'll always have a sideline deficiency.

Unbalanced teams with terrible units (OM and OU) can win a game maybe depending on matchup but are not going to go deep.

Bama and A&M are sort of in the Miami tier to me. Really just sort of depends, but I think they're too deeply flawed to win 3-4 games.

 

[ColinKSU]

I honestly didn’t know that. I thought for sure they had won it early in their time there but alas I don’t follow other teams nearly as closely as ND so you would know more than me.

When all those Big East teams joined the ACC, it was Virginia Tech that was the juggernaut.

 

[burmafrd1944]

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Mark Twain said there were lies
then DAMN LIES
then statistics

 

[Crazy Balki]

One thing worth pointing out around the "last year's conference championship losers all dropped" narrative is that three of the games featured teams that didn't play each other during the regular season. In all of the ones that could conceivably affect ND this year (ACC, SEC, Big 12), the teams played during the regular season so I don't really know that it does a whole lot of enlightening if the results repeat themselves.

The whole "last year's conference championship losers all dropped" narrative is also patently false.

Last year's conference championship losers didn't drop. Georgia moved up, because they beat #2 Texas and won the SEC. The at-large teams had to shift to accommodate the upset. ND was the #2 at-large at the time, behind Penn State. Since Texas lost, they went from the perceived conference winner to the at-large group and became the #1 at large, which pushed everybody back one.

The only real exception was SMU, as they were ranked as the perceived ACC title winner. When they lost to #18 Clemson, they reverted to being just another at-large team.

The projected losing teams of both consequential conference title games are both currently at-large teams, so their status doesn't change. If BYU loses, they're still projected to finish where they're at, and the same with Alabama, because you can't punish a team for losing in the CCG.

Now, should Alabama win, they'd move up, because they won the SEC. They'd shoot past Georgia, Ole Miss and even Oklahoma, whom they lost to, because they would replace Georgia as the projected SEC winner.

The CFP essentially has teams placed into 2 groups, conference #1's and at-larges. If a team that was projected as an at-large wins their conference, their status changes, as does the team that was in the conference #1 spot.

The same situation exists with BYU. Right now, they're considered an at-large. If they lose, they stay that way and don't move. If they win, however, their status changes to conference winner and then their ranking is adjusted to accommodate that.

 

[Kingbish01]

Of course I'm biased but to me it's ND and OSU and then a step down to UGA and maybe Oregon (I remain thoroughly unsold on Oregon). Indiana I'm reserving judgement on until I see them against OSU, but my gut tells me they can win a playoff game (or two) depending on matchups but is not good enough to string together 3 or 4 wins against playoff teams. This is my opinion of Miami as well. Good enough to make some noise but not good enough to win a title. So long as Cristobal is their HC they'll always have a sideline deficiency.

Ya, I feel we are on the exact same page, because I'm the same with Indiana. Also it's sad but true ...it's all about the money. If a tough decision really needs to be made...as bad as this next statement is... it fiscally irresponsible to leave Notre Dame out....24-4 over the last two years, runner up last year, hottest coach in the game...best player in the country...huge following... bonafide blue blood. This is so much bigger than just us fans who want to see our team win it all. There are millions upon millions of dollars involved, it's big business...like it or not, ND doesn't get bumped for Miami. Michigan, Ohio St, USC, Bama or Texas....Maybe...but not fuckin Miami.

 

[wallym]

The whole "last year's conference championship losers all dropped" narrative is also patently false.

Last year's conference championship losers didn't drop. Georgia moved up, because they beat #2 Texas and won the SEC. The at-large teams remained the same.

The only real exception was SMU, as they were ranked as the perceived ACC title winner. When they lost to #18 Clemson, they reverted to being just another at-large team.

The projected losing teams of both consequential conference title games are both currently at-large teams, so their status doesn't change. If BYU loses, they're still projected to finish where they're at, and the same with Alabama, because you can't punish a team for losing in the CCG.

Now, should Alabama win, they'd move up, because they won the SEC. They'd shoot past Georgia, Ole Miss and even Oklahoma, whom they lost to, because they would replace Georgia as the projected SEC winner.

The CFP essentially has teams placed into 2 groups, conference #1's and at-larges. If a team that was projected as an at-large wins their conference, their status changes, as does the team that was in the conference #1 spot.

I was just going by what Pete Sampson tweeted. Would UGA drop below Okla or Irish if they lose to the same team twice?

 

[WildMan1]

Agreed with it all, but this is the key point. We forget that there are other teams and other debates going on because we don't really care about them as much. I don't trust Hunter Yurachek at all or anything and his answers don't usually fill me with trust and confidence, but he is a high level AD (a politician) so refusing to be buttonholed in on a question like "is team A locked in ahead of team B now" is just sort of standard political question avoidance.

If the committee really wanted to scheme to put us next to Miami so they can "finally do the right thing," they could have easily done it this week with BYU and dropped them below Miami. Miami looked better in their game than BYU did in theirs. The idea they're waiting to do it next week so they can maximize our pain and suffering is a sort of paranoid trauma response.

Miami has been in our tier for 2 weeks now and thus the H2H has been taken into consideration and they stated last week that there's no magic number that Miami has to get to to activate the Head to Head Override Protocol.

Yea you’re right about the political speak.. He def just wanted to stay unlocked.

With our tier there had to be discussions on what kept not only ND but also BYU above Miami & ND above both.

That needed to be hammered out for them to get to where they did & only strengthens the idea that they consider Bama & ND the two best teams remaining & propping Bama up above us is simply a safety valve for a SECCG loss.

A BYU win throws a wrench in everything.

 

[jprue24]

The whole "last year's conference championship losers all dropped" narrative is also patently false.

Last year's conference championship losers didn't drop. Georgia moved up, because they beat #2 Texas and won the SEC. The at-large teams remained the same.

The only real exception was SMU, as they were ranked as the perceived ACC title winner. When they lost to #18 Clemson, they reverted to being just another at-large team.

The projected losing teams of both consequential conference title games are both currently at-large teams, so their status doesn't change. If BYU loses, they're still projected to finish where they're at, and the same with Alabama, because you can't punish a team for losing in the CCG.

Now, should Alabama win, they'd move up, because they won the SEC. They'd shoot past Georgia, Ole Miss and even Oklahoma, whom they lost to, because they would replace Georgia as the projected SEC winner.

The CFP essentially has teams placed into 2 groups, conference #1's and at-larges. If a team that was projected as an at-large wins their conference, their status changes, as does the team that was in the conference #1 spot.

Brother, they told us Bama is ranked above ND because they went for it on a big 4th down. They can do whatever they want.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I really hope the games go our way this w/e and we sneak in and then MMFF uses this disrespect as fuel to fire up the team and ND obliterates all and any teams in its way on the way to a Natty!

As of now, we'd project to play A&M, which....yes. Carnage.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Brother, they told us Bama is ranked above ND because they went for it on a big 4th down. They can do whatever they want.

That's irrelevant to what happens this weekend. They can't just do what they want, as there are parameters that they have utilize and justifications must be met. If they use certain reasonings, those reasonings must be uniform across the field.

They chose to bump Alabama, and they can justify it with so many different reasons, but as of now, there's no logic whatsoever that can justify moving two idle teams from where they're at. The reality is that Alabama was moved so the greedy piglets in the SEC can assure their golden goose makes it in no matter what.

The only moving pieces right now are Alabama and BYU. They've already stated multiple times that they aren't going to punish teams for losing in the CCG. They've DONE that before, where we saw conference losers not get punished (reprioritized but not punished).

And even in BYU's case, what justification is there for them to drop behind Miami for losing to a top 5 team? You look at the resumes, BYU's would still be superior in nearly every way. Better record, more ranked wins, significant better losses, finished top 2 in their conference. Pretty much every single indicator makes it patently clear that BYU is 11 and staying that way if they lose.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Brother, they told us Bama is ranked above ND because they went for it on a big 4th down. They can do whatever they want.

Hey now. It was a 4th and 2. Huge balls from Bama. They were also up 17 at halftime.

Typing that out actually reminded me that MFMF had the cojones to dial up a fake punt, from inside our own 20, and it went for a TD. No mention of that or our half time score by the committee, though.

Because, again, they can do whatever they want.

 

[Bane]

Ya, I feel we are on the exact same page, because I'm the same with Indiana. Also it's sad but true ...it's all about the money. If a tough decision really needs to be made...as bad as this next statement is... it fiscally irresponsible to leave Notre Dame out....24-4 over the last two years, runner up last year, hottest coach in the game...best player in the country...huge following... bonafide blue blood. This is so much bigger than just us fans who want to see our team win it all. There are millions upon millions of dollars involved, it's big business...like it or not, ND doesn't get bumped for Miami. Michigan, Ohio St, USC, Bama or Texas....Maybe...but not fuckin Miami.

Miami fans have an inflated sense of how important their program is because seemingly every journalist in sports media went to that fucking school, but in reality the Hurricanes don't sell out Hard Rock with any regularity. They make the excuse that the stadium isn't on campus but ND sells out stadiums from coast to coast whenever we roll into town.

If Miami ends up getting in over us it will have nothing to do with brand relevance, but will be some political conference backroom dealing. It's not impossible, but I don't really see it. I don't think the ACC really has that much sway with anyone.

 

[Crazy Balki]

It would be double counting because they have factored Miami beating ND in a game already to get them their current ranking, if they take that win out they would be ranked lower. You are suggesting they are proposing to do that (factor it in) to get them to ND11 & Miami12 respectively and then do it again to flip them.
That is double counting. Do you agree?

Yeah, I don't get this logic at all.

ND, as is, is seen by the committee to have a superior resume to both BYU and Miami. Whether people agree or not is irrelevant.

But both ND and Miami are idle. For them nothing changes. So the resumes remain stagnant, and ND would still have to be considered the better team for the 12 team playoff. The committee chair going on Golic and essentially say that right now ND is the better team is pretty telling. You can't walk that back, because neither team plays next week. There's no new shocking developments that can change.

 

[Dale]

The whole "last year's conference championship losers all dropped" narrative is also patently false.

Last year's conference championship losers didn't drop.

I don’t think you know what patently false means. They all dropped. You can justify it if you would like, but they all dropped. You also excluded Iowa State.

 

[wallym]

Go take a walk newb. This we shit

Good stuff. Very welcoming. So, readers (non posters) of this board for 10+ years, and loyal fans for 30 years, are not welcome to vent and to make opinions on an open internet forum? Very communist and state media of you. Also, what is the the "this" that you shit?

BTW, there was a time I was temp banned from this board for being too passionate...but maturity has consumed me, now just want to chat with fellow fans and see if anyone has similar thoughts/feelings. But I would happily take a perma-ban to tell you to eat a dick

 

[Dale]

They can't just do what they want, as there are parameters that they have utilize and justifications must be met. If they use certain reasonings, those reasonings must be uniform across the field.

Oh honey.

 

[OhioIrish]

SIAP — but if Georgia beats Bama (as we hope and expect), Georgia moves to #2 and Bama falls to #10. Meaning, there is a good likelihood they would play for a 3rd time in the Sugar Bowl 2 weeks later. Pretty lame, but also totally deserved.

 

[NDRock]

That's irrelevant to what happens this weekend. They can't just do what they want, as there are parameters that they have utilize and justifications must be met. If they use certain reasonings, those reasonings must be uniform across the field.

They chose to bump Alabama, and they can justify it with so many different reasons, but as of now, there's no logic whatsoever that can justify moving two idle teams from where they're at. The reality is that Alabama was moved so the greedy piglets in the SEC can assure their golden goose makes it in no matter what.

The only moving pieces right now are Alabama and BYU. They've already stated multiple times that they aren't going to punish teams for losing in the CCG. They've DONE that before, where we saw conference losers not get punished (reprioritized but not punished).

And even in BYU's case, what justification is there for them to drop behind Miami for losing to a top 5 team? You look at the resumes, BYU's would still be superior in nearly every way. Better record, more ranked wins, significant better losses, finished top 2 in their conference. Pretty much every single indicator makes it patently clear that BYU is 11 and staying that way if they lose.

I envy you. I remember a time when I wasn’t jaded. Stay pure my friend. Mypos must truly be a magical place.

 

[jprue24]

That's irrelevant to what happens this weekend. They can't just do what they want, as there are parameters that they have utilize and justifications must be met. If they use certain reasonings, those reasonings must be uniform across the field.

They chose to bump Alabama, and they can justify it with so many different reasons, but as of now, there's no logic whatsoever that can justify moving two idle teams from where they're at. The reality is that Alabama was moved so the greedy piglets in the SEC can assure their golden goose makes it in no matter what.

The only moving pieces right now are Alabama and BYU. They've already stated multiple times that they aren't going to punish teams for losing in the CCG. They've DONE that before, where we saw conference losers not get punished (reprioritized but not punished).

And even in BYU's case, what justification is there for them to drop behind Miami for losing to a top 5 team? You look at the resumes, BYU's would still be superior in nearly every way. Better record, more ranked wins, significant better losses, finished top 2 in their conference. Pretty much every single indicator makes it patently clear that BYU is 11 and staying that way if they lose.

Where did this committee say that? The committee, not a reporter. These are different people using different "rules". They have not been consistent at all and have resorted to using a single play as the delineating factor when comparing Bama and ND's regular seasons of football... the entire seasons...

The rules are vague enough for them to do what they want.

I was saying the same thing as you at the beginning of Nov when looking at how ccg winner's could bump ND out. Now, I believe they could drop a team who lost in the ccg because "reasons".

 

[jprue24]

Hey now. It was a 4th and 2. Huge balls from Bama. They were also up 17 at halftime.

Typing that out actually reminded me that MFMF had the cojones to dial up a fake punt, from inside our own 20, and it went for a TD. No mention of that or our half time score by the committee, though.

Because, again, they can do whatever they want.

I've thought of that, too.

 

[US_Highway14]

I think our best bet at this point is to just expect the worst and maybe we will be pleasantly surprised on Sunday.

That's honestly where I'm at right now. Not because I'm a bed wetter, but because I just wanna expect us to get fisted by the committee no matter the result(s) Saturday, just so I'm not heartbroken Sunday.