2025 College Football Playoffs

[IrelandIrish]

Not sure which side you’re arguing for but if Texas beats UGA and Texas A&M they will certainly have become a good team to do so. I don’t think either has been particularly good so far though. Mateer isn’t good and Arch can’t throw it past 5 yards

Mateer Is good. He got Injured and his skills have fallen off. It won't matter though.

 

[ulukinatme]

I really, really hope we draw BYU for playoffs. Their are chirping big time online after potential matchups have us playing them first round. There's all this talk that "we won't be able to handle Provo" and we ducked them for the last 10 years there or some shit. In recent years we've played in College Station, the Horseshoe, Clemson, FSU, etc. Why would we give a fuck about Provo? Indiana Round 2? I'll take that too.

 

[stlnd01]

I really, really hope we draw BYU for playoffs. Their are chirping big time online after potential matchups have us playing them first round. There's all this talk that "we won't be able to handle Provo" and we ducked them for the last 10 years there or some shit. In recent years we've played in College Station, the Horseshoe, Clemson, FSU, etc. Why would we give a fuck about Provo? Indiana Round 2? I'll take that too.

Didn't realize Mormons are allowed to talk shit like that.
But yeah, BYU-Indiana-A&M would be a pretty ideal bracket for us.

 

[Pete]

Didn't realize Mormons are allowed to talk shit like that.
But yeah, BYU-Indiana-A&M would be a pretty ideal bracket for us.

I think as long as they do it without swearing and alcohol, then they’re okay

 

[ND87]

I think as long as they do it without swearing and alcohol, then they’re okay

And *hot* caffeine
(No coffee, but Mt. Dew is fine)

 

[stlnd01]

And *hot* caffeine
(No coffee, but Mt. Dew is fine)

Where do they stand on iced coffee?

 

[rtrn2glory]

Do they release where the quarter final bowl games are before or after the final seedings are in place?

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

Alright hypothetical time...what if 12-0 Indiana meets 12-0 Ohio St in the BTC game? Regardless of outcome, they are both locked in with first round byes. What do they honestly have to play for? Especially OSU who is fresh off a national championship and is clearly "the hunted". Do they rest their starters?

 

[Bane]

I really, really hope we draw BYU for playoffs. Their are chirping big time online after potential matchups have us playing them first round. There's all this talk that "we won't be able to handle Provo" and we ducked them for the last 10 years there or some shit. In recent years we've played in College Station, the Horseshoe, Clemson, FSU, etc. Why would we give a fuck about Provo? Indiana Round 2? I'll take that too.

Didn't realize Mormons are allowed to talk shit like that.
But yeah, BYU-Indiana-A&M would be a pretty ideal bracket for us.

When you've lived around Momos for a long time you realize how annoy they can be. I'm unsurprised at BYU's arrogant fanbase, just a little surprised it's pointed at us so intensely. Had no idea they suffered from the derangement syndrome, too. I would absolutely love to play them, I just don't see that happening. There will be a lot of movement the next month so I guess they'll have to seethe into the void for another year.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I really, really hope we draw BYU for playoffs. Their are chirping big time online after potential matchups have us playing them first round. There's all this talk that "we won't be able to handle Provo" and we ducked them for the last 10 years there or some shit. In recent years we've played in College Station, the Horseshoe, Clemson, FSU, etc. Why would we give a fuck about Provo? Indiana Round 2? I'll take that too.

Don't you know the magic underwear means Provo is more intense than the Shoe. Fear the underwear.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Alright hypothetical time...what if 12-0 Indiana meets 12-0 Ohio St in the BTC game? Regardless of outcome, they are both locked in with first round byes. What do they honestly have to play for? Especially OSU who is fresh off a national championship and is clearly "the hunted". Do they rest their starters?

This is a really good hypothetical question. The expanded playoff tried to keep the CCGs relevant with the auto-bids but they've effectively made them watered down nonsense. I could see Cignetti and IU playing that game all out since they haven't won a conference title in like 60 years, but what does another B1G title really mean to OSU? Keep your guys healthy and focus on the playoff.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

This is a really good hypothetical question. The expanded playoff tried to keep the CCGs relevant with the auto-bids but they've effectively made them watered down nonsense. I could see Cignetti and IU playing that game all out since they haven't won a conference title in like 60 years, but what does another B1G title really mean to OSU? Keep your guys healthy and focus on the playoff.

Pretty much my line of thinking as well. If Day did rest starters it would question the necessity of the CCGs more than ever before.

 

[Pete]

Alright hypothetical time...what if 12-0 Indiana meets 12-0 Ohio St in the BTC game? Regardless of outcome, they are both locked in with first round byes. What do they honestly have to play for? Especially OSU who is fresh off a national championship and is clearly "the hunted". Do they rest their starters?

OSU hasnt won the conference since Covid year 2020, and the big ten had to change the rules to even get them in the game. It still matters to them.

 

[Dale]

Conference Championship weekend was added as a TV product to make money, and it just so happened to have a reasonable impact on determining a champion. Now they still want it as a tv product, but it no longer makes sense in the playoff format.

They need to move Week 1 to Week 0, eliminate Conference Championship weekend and slide everything up accordingly. Would allow the Semis to be played Jan 1 and National Championship to be the Monday after NFL Wild Card weekend.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I haven't been paying much attention, but has the CFP Committee said if they are taking the same stance as last year pertaining to not penalizing teams for performances during Conference Championship games?

 

[Bane]

Conference Championship weekend was added as a TV product to make money, and it just so happened to have a reasonable impact on determining a champion. Now they still want it as a tv product, but it no longer makes sense in the playoff format.

They need to move Week 1 to Week 0, eliminate Conference Championship weekend and slide everything up accordingly. Would allow the Semis to be played Jan 1 and National Championship to be the Monday after NFL Wild Card weekend.

I haven't been paying much attention, but has the CFP Committee said if they are taking the same stance as last year pertaining to not penalizing teams for performances during Conference Championship games?

I think everyone is assuming the committee will grade the conference title games like they did last year, but remember this is all subjective. They could theoretically penalize say OSU for resting their starters and slot them into the 5 seed.

 

[Dale]

I would guess loser of 12 - 0 OSU/IU will be 3 or 4 seed. Loser of SECCG will be anywhere 5 - 10. Loser of the ACCCG is out, barring Ga Tech beating UGA. Loser of the Big 12 would be the big question.

 

[stlnd01]

Conference Championship weekend was added as a TV product to make money, and it just so happened to have a reasonable impact on determining a champion. Now they still want it as a tv product, but it no longer makes sense in the playoff format.

They need to move Week 1 to Week 0, eliminate Conference Championship weekend and slide everything up accordingly. Would allow the Semis to be played Jan 1 and National Championship to be the Monday after NFL Wild Card weekend.

If conference championship games don't impact the playoffs (beyond maybe seeding) their value as a television product will decline. Part of the appeal of college football is that every game matters.* Over time, a glorified exhibition game for bragging rights will become a real stretch in that regard.

*Realizing that teams can now lose twice and still make the postseason.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I would guess loser of 12 - 0 OSU/IU will be 3 or 4 seed. Loser of SECCG will be anywhere 5 - 10. Loser of the ACCCG is out, barring Ga Tech beating UGA. Loser of the Big 12 would be the big question.

12-1 Ohio St or Indiana would almost assuredly be 2 or 3 seed. The only team capable of jumping them would be SEC champ winner.

 

[Dale]

12-1 Ohio St or Indiana would almost assuredly be 2 or 3 seed. The only team capable of jumping them would be SEC champ winner.

They would almost assuredly be 3. But I could argue 4 over 2 as more likely easily. What if A&M loses a nail biter (after beating Texas) and IU gets blown out? IUs resume will also be impacted by how Oregon finishes. It doesn’t really matter that much in the end without a bracket

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

They would almost assuredly be 3. But I could argue 4 over 2 as more likely easily. What if A&M loses a nail biter (after beating Texas) and IU gets blown out? IUs resume will also be impacted by how Oregon finishes.

All advanced stats would still have Indiana in the top 2 even with a blowout loss to OSU.

 

[Dale]

All advanced stats would still have Indiana in the top 2 even with a blowout loss to OSU.

That’s very much not true, without so many other factors given consideration

Again this doesn’t really matter without a bracket and we’ve agreed they would still be Top 4.

 

[bumpdaddy]

I haven't been paying much attention, but has the CFP Committee said if they are taking the same stance as last year pertaining to not penalizing teams for performances during Conference Championship games?

The Committee has actually made some significant changes this year, and it appears that "penalizing teams for performance during CCGs" won't be as much of a factor this year, meaning, if you lose in your CCG, the committee will have to look at your overall resume, and if it doesn't match up with a bubble team that didn't play in a CCG, you might not get in.

In yesterday's II pod, John Brice talked about his time recently with the CFP Committee, in which they basically put him and other writers through a selection committee bootcamp to rank the final top 25 2024 teams right before the playoffs, but using the new 2025 selection criteria. You can hear him talk about it here:



Here are some takeaways:

• The ranking criteria are laid out in extensive detail in a binder. Committee members are required to use that criteria to evaluate and rank teams accordingly. It isn't just a group of people thrown in a room with a vague idea of what to do and then arguing it out from there. Their conclusions are usually somewhat predictable based on the detailed metrics and resume criteria.
• After ranking the 2024 teams using this year's criteria, SMU would have been left out and Bama would have been in, which means the new criteria puts less value on simply appearing in a CCG.
• The new criteria are so black and white that Brice knew ND was going to be ranked 10th even before this year's Committee came up with their initial ranking, because he knew the process they would have to follow and the result of following that process.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

That’s very much not true, without so many other factors given consideration

Again this doesn’t really matter without a bracket and we’ve agreed they would still be Top 4.

Fair. I guess my original point was the Big 10 champ game doesn't matter with 12-0 OSU vs 12-0 IU. They both get byes anyway.

 

[stlnd01]

The Committee has actually made some significant changes this year, and it appears that "penalizing teams for performance during CCGs" won't be as much of a factor this year, meaning, if you lose in your CCG, the committee will have to look at your overall resume, and if it doesn't match up with a bubble team that didn't play in a CCG, you might not get in.

In yesterday's II pod, John Brice talked about his time recently with the CFP Committee, in which they basically put him and other writers through a selection committee bootcamp to rank the final top 25 2024 teams right before the playoffs, but using the new 2025 selection criteria. You can hear him talk about it here:



Here are some takeaways:

• The ranking criteria are laid out in extensive detail in a binder. Committee members are required to use that criteria to evaluate and rank teams accordingly. It isn't just a group of people thrown in a room with a vague idea of what to do and then arguing it out from there. Their conclusions are usually somewhat predictable based on the detailed metrics and resume criteria.
• After ranking the 2024 teams using this year's criteria, SMU would have been left out and Bama would have been in, which means the new criteria puts less value on simply appearing in a CCG.
• The new criteria are so black and white that Brice knew ND was going to be ranked 10th even before this year's Committee came up with their initial ranking, because he knew the process they would have to follow and the result of following that process.

This seems likely to lead to some seriously butthurt fans of either BYU or Texas Tech.

 

[ab2cmiller]

This seems likely to lead to some seriously butthurt fans of either BYU or Texas Tech.

Which will almost certainly lead to whining about ND isn't in a Conference.

 

[NDShark]

The Committee has actually made some significant changes this year, and it appears that "penalizing teams for performance during CCGs" won't be as much of a factor this year, meaning, if you lose in your CCG, the committee will have to look at your overall resume, and if it doesn't match up with a bubble team that didn't play in a CCG, you might not get in.

In yesterday's II pod, John Brice talked about his time recently with the CFP Committee, in which they basically put him and other writers through a selection committee bootcamp to rank the final top 25 2024 teams right before the playoffs, but using the new 2025 selection criteria. You can hear him talk about it here:



Here are some takeaways:

• The ranking criteria are laid out in extensive detail in a binder. Committee members are required to use that criteria to evaluate and rank teams accordingly. It isn't just a group of people thrown in a room with a vague idea of what to do and then arguing it out from there. Their conclusions are usually somewhat predictable based on the detailed metrics and resume criteria.
• After ranking the 2024 teams using this year's criteria, SMU would have been left out and Bama would have been in, which means the new criteria puts less value on simply appearing in a CCG.
• The new criteria are so black and white that Brice knew ND was going to be ranked 10th even before this year's Committee came up with their initial ranking, because he knew the process they would have to follow and the result of following that process.

Why don't they just share the criteria then?

 

[ulukinatme]

Miami fans are pissed too after the rankings came out. This was funny.

 

[bumpdaddy]

Why don't they just share the criteria then?

I don't know, but Brice did provide a lot more details regarding the process, so it's worth a listen if you want to get a better idea of how the committee operates.

 

[Bane]

Mormies have it made. They come back from the mission at 25 and bag 21 year olds thay worship them like southeast asians do their men.. then start pumping
Out kids. Its not a bad gig. Book of Mormon kiss an interesting reak.

Much of the high desert is a giant Mormon nepotism club. It pays to be in the club. In the larger cities like Vegas, Phoenix, and even SLC you don't notice it as much, but if you are in a smaller area with a majority Mormon population and you ain't in the club life is a little harder on you.