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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
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    Votes: 172 48.9%
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    Votes: 46 13.1%
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    Votes: 130 36.9%

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More adults. Look at the top of the official WH website. Pretty blatant violation of the Hatch Act too.
 

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More adults. Look at the top of the official WH website. Pretty blatant violation of the Hatch Act too.
You should probably read a bit about the Hatch Act. The President and Vice President aren't restricted by it. Cabinet members are, but in a very limited way. It primarily covers the rank & file federal employees in order to make sure that federal agencies and their employees remain politically neutral in appearance and operation.
 

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You should probably read a bit about the Hatch Act. The President and Vice President aren't restricted by it. Cabinet members are, but in a very limited way. It primarily covers the rank & file federal employees in order to make sure that federal agencies and their employees remain politically neutral in appearance and operation.
Is that Vance or Trump's personal website?
 

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More adults. Look at the top of the official WH website. Pretty blatant violation of the Hatch Act too.
Can you imagine how bad it would be if Republicans weren’t the party of law and order?
 

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Nope, it's the White House's, representing the President. I'd prefer they hadn't posted it, but it's not a Hatch Act violation. Not even close.
The WH website is owned by the federal government, not Trump. It absolutely falls under the Hatch act.
 

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Let us know when someone gets convicted for that one, then. We'll wait.
Well sure but that's a separate issue. Trump has been trying since February to remove the head of the Office of Special Council without cause, which is the person who is in charge of such punishments.
 

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That's cute... That's not what I meant. I meant the stock market is going to tank and everyone will feel the pain (of course, the rich for the most part, will be ok).

You have to remember: 1) A lot of companies depend on a healthy economy which means we need a healthy consumer; 2) financial markets are based on levels of mass optimism and mass pessimism on a societal level, and when it turns and everyone turns inward and turns off (or literally has none) their spending power, the markets and economy tank. And right now, Trump and this admin are helping that right along, i.e., they're brining on the mass pessimism for a lot of folks with their cuts, tariffs, and lack of plans to increase hiring (as seen by the job numbers). Be prepared...

Eventually you will be correct. Just like you were likely pounding your chest on April 8 2025 when the S&P bottomed out at 4835. Six months later is hitting all time highs eclipsing 6700. Did you put your money where your mouth is and miss a 40% run up in the market?

You seem to indicate financial markets have not fundamental basis to valuation and run on nothing but emotions and momentum. I have more of a value based philosophy - rising earnings over time will lead to rising stock prices based on the fundamentals of market earnings growth which has consistently grown over time while timing tops and bottoms is impossible.

S&P 500 Earnings - 90 Year Historical Chart

At the same time, market price relative to earnings is historically high. As a value investor I agree that the market looks overvalued at this point. However this is far from unprecedented and nothing like the tech bubble as many try to claim - there are real earnings backing up highest growth companies. There are two ways for this multiple to contract - 1) earnings growth, 2) market correction. When you break it down by sectors and individual stocks there are piles of inexpensive companies out there and a few mammoth tech giants skewing the market P/E (Nvidia is 4.5T out of 56T total S&P market capitalization and trades for 41x earnings). Looking at individual names, a lot of that higher multiple is justified by their growth trajectory and a lot of the lower multiple stocks are dirt cheap (BTU trades for 23x it's current earnings that are at a cyclical low but less than 3x its peak earnings of 2022). So at this stage of the game, I prefer $3.4B BTU to $4.5T NVDIA which makes up 1325x higher concentration of the S&P 500 than Peabody Energy.

S&P 500 PE Ratio - 90 Year Historical Chart
 

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Look up Elliott Wave Theory - It's not perfect and is really about being probabilistic, but absolutely that the market moves on waves of mass optimism and pessimism at all degrees (repeating fractal patterns, like snowflakes), i.e., patterns repeat themselves on a minute, hour, weeks, months, years, decades, and centuries basis. Sure within the waves, you can dive into fundamentals, but you can justify valuations, earnings, all you want, but markets move on emotion, in our pre-frontal cortex area, and on a mass level. The high-volume stock market is the perfect barometer and medium for this swinging mass emotion to be tracked.

That said, sure buy and hold, the market always goes up, yada yada yada, but there are periods where the corrective waves (of mass pessimism) take longer to play out and are more destructive in nature, and the one we're about to begin (likely Q1 next year) is just such a time period. See 100-year chart here (screen shot here also). You can see of course the somewhat short-term but highly destructive 1929-32 crash. Then there is a long period of about 12-13 years of stagnation in the 70s, that was a correction wave of a few degrees lower; and then the 2000 to 2009 wave correction, one degree higher from the 1970s; but now we are likely at a degree of wave that is likely to be as destructive as the 129-32 crash but will be longer in a more sideways zig zag manner like the 70s and 2000s corrections and likely to last 12-13 years where the ultimate low will likely come in the late 2030s, and as you can see, is likely to print a low of 1500-1600 then. As you can see by the chart, this will be a correction of the 1932 bottom to the 2026 top bullish wave and timeframe, a 94-year run

But of course, it's probabilistic and you monitor the waves as they play out in real time, day to day, week to week, month to month, year to year. There will be peaks and valleys for sure, but they will be on much longer time horizons, so if you're older, timing is a lot more important as there could be 2-3 years of destructive bear markets that then take 2-3 years to come back to not even the same level - maybe 62% back if we're lucky, maybe a marginal new, if we're really lucky. If you're young and just keep dollar-cost averaging, it'll all work out. But again, it's what the long bear periods mean for people's psychology, and for our economy and lives. There will be some tough periods. Kind of makes sense too if you want to get a bit fundamental and think about the destruction we'll endure if Trump and the New Right worm their way into complete and relentless authoritarian power that lasts the next 8-10 years, or even longer, if he and the New Right get their way. But again, even during Nazi Germany times, markets went up a lot during their reign and WWII so not all bear markets and straight down.

Interesting times ahead...

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More adults. Look at the top of the official WH website. Pretty blatant violation of the Hatch Act too.
*points to tweet again*
 

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Look up Elliott Wave Theory - It's not perfect and is really about being probabilistic, but absolutely that the market moves on waves of mass optimism and pessimism at all degrees (repeating fractal patterns, like snowflakes), i.e., patterns repeat themselves on a minute, hour, weeks, months, years, decades, and centuries basis. Sure within the waves, you can dive into fundamentals, but you can justify valuations, earnings, all you want, but markets move on emotion, in our pre-frontal cortex area, and on a mass level. The high-volume stock market is the perfect barometer and medium for this swinging mass emotion to be tracked.

That said, sure buy and hold, the market always goes up, yada yada yada, but there are periods where the corrective waves (of mass pessimism) take longer to play out and are more destructive in nature, and the one we're about to begin (likely Q1 next year) is just such a time period. See 100-year chart here (screen shot here also). You can see of course the somewhat short-term but highly destructive 1929-32 crash. Then there is a long period of about 12-13 years of stagnation in the 70s, that was a correction wave of a few degrees lower; and then the 2000 to 2009 wave correction, one degree higher from the 1970s; but now we are likely at a degree of wave that is likely to be as destructive as the 129-32 crash but will be longer in a more sideways zig zag manner like the 70s and 2000s corrections and likely to last 12-13 years where the ultimate low will likely come in the late 2030s, and as you can, is likely to print a low of 1500-1600 then. As you can see by the chart, this will be a correction of the 1932 bottom to 2026 top bullish wave and timeframe, a 94-year run

But of course, it's probabilistic and you monitor the waves as they play out in real time, day to day, week to week, month to month, year to year. There will be peaks and valleys for sure, but they will be on much longer time horizons, so if you're older, timing is a lot more important as there could be 2-3 years of destructive bear markets that then take 2-3 years to come back to not even the same level - maybe 62% back if we're lucky, maybe a marginal new, if we're really lucky. If you're young and just keep dollar-cost averaging, it'll all work out. But again, it's what the long bear periods mean for people's psychology, and for our economy and lives. There will be some tough periods. Kind of makes sense too if you want to get a bit fundamental and think about the destruction we'll endure if Trump and the New Right worm their way into complete and relentless authoritarian power that lasts the next 8-10 years, or even longer, if he and the New Right get their way. But again, even during Nazi Germany times, markets went up a lot during their reign and WWII so not all bear market and straight down.

Interesting times ahead...

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Astrology for men - I am familiar with Avi Gilburt's work. Next wave is always right around the corner, until it isn't. Are you honestly calling for a 75% market crash? 7x 2025 earnings? You know how many time's I've heard "this administration is going to drive us to another Great Depression"? Every big action up or down they will take credit for "calling it" while ignoring the 50,000 hedge statements placed in between.

You are falling for your own BS blaming Trump. Avi would say politics are irrelevant and whatever news will be used to validate the natural event that takes place. Kamala would have had the same result just a different story line. If you really buy Elliott Wave theory anyway.

Now go see what Nouriel Roubini is up to if you really want to be afraid of collapse. Dr. Doom is that broken clock that is right twice a day.
 

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We need both sides to De-escalate.



Sorry, but so far, nothing about the Fed portrayal of "our brave law enforcement officers were rammed by vehicles and boxed in by 10 cars" has been proven accurate, and with this admin, anything coming from McLaughlin or Noem, itching to further advance the narrative that ICE needs protection in Chicago, is highly suspect at face value. There better be much better corroboration of this depiction of events than statements from the "ICE Propaganda office."
 

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This vapid ICE Bimbo is seriously deranged.

Kristi Noem Says ICE Will Be ‘All Over’ Bad Bunny Super Bowl Halftime Show: The NFL ‘Sucks and We’ll Win and God Will Bless Us’

WITAF? All this God Bless White American Patriots chosen by God will prevail over immigrant heathens over a dang SB halftime performer - So stupid, petty, and propagandized.

“They suck and we’ll win and God will bless us,” Noem said. “We’ll stand and be proud of ourselves at the end of the day, and they won’t be able to sleep at night because they don’t know what they believe and they’re so weak. We’ll fix it.”
 

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Sorry, but so far, nothing about the Fed portrayal of "our brave law enforcement officers were rammed by vehicles and boxed in by 10 cars" has been proven accurate, and with this admin, anything coming from McLaughlin or Noem, itching to further advance the narrative that ICE needs protection in Chicago, is highly suspect at face value. There better be much better corroboration of this depiction of events than statements from the "ICE Propaganda office."

We shall see how this plays out. You don't trust iCE, fine. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. We are all watching.

 

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Fucking master race right here. Look at these retards.

Here's an idea: don't be here illegally, and when the police tell you to open your door or roll down your window, do it. You want to act stupid and battle with police with a baby in the car, you're the problem, not the police.
 

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DON’T EVER equate these fucknut undisciplined chronically unemployed mostly fat and redneck losers that are dubbed ICE with actual police… Just don’t please…
 

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Are you a police officer? Merely curious.

And to let you know, I'll do whatever the F I want to do. Who the heck are you to dictate? Speculating you may have illegals in your family/friend group? Suck it up and do the right thing.... Your hate is Ugly.
 

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Are you a police officer? Merely curious.

And to let you know, I'll do whatever the F I want to do. Who the heck are you to dictate? Speculating you may have illegals in your family/friend group? Suck it up and do the right thing.... Your hate is Ugly.
The reply button is your friend. Use it.
 

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DON’T EVER equate these fucknut undisciplined chronically unemployed mostly fat and redneck losers that are dubbed ICE with actual police… Just don’t please…
It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
 

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Not a deportation officer. All you need is to pass a drug test and background check.
Yeah this is false.

Deportation officers are employed in ICE ERO and are still required to meet many of the same ICE requirements, which still exceed the requirements for state and local police officers in most cases. You can look up the specifics if you care to read the facts.
 
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