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drayer54 said:
I just noticed you left off TikTok, that's all. :)
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Have you been on TikTok? It's been noticeably pro Trump since he "saved" it. Anyone using any of the influencers on those platforms as their sources for news is an idiot regardless of party affiliation
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Have you been on TikTok? It's been noticeably pro Trump since he "saved" it. Anyone using any of the influencers on those platforms as their sources for news is an idiot regardless of party affiliation
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I would argue you can better info on Twitter, not FB/TikTok, than any other platform. Right now I am trending the India-Pakistan tension and European blackouts with better info there than I can anywhere else. I'm not advocating for just following Harry Sisson or Catturd. That kinda crap is pointless.
 
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Thank you, Colorado; very generous. I WAS a university science professor for 30 years and the last 15 with a focus on the environmental issues, so I sort of had to know actual science to do that job. What's really disturbing to me is not that people are stone ignorant and too lazy (or mentally shallow) to understand things, yet think that they still should put such ignorance out into the public (which I agree is disturbing enough), but that other people who do have enough brains, and even life efforts/accomplishments, also spew this thoughtless shallow garbage as if they have done their homework.

This latter phenomenon, I think, can only be explained by something "mental" which is not "sufficient brains" but subtler, like inability to relate empathetically with anyone other than family, friends, or, at most, people just like themselves. When you add lifelong programming of a political type to that sort of brain, you get a parroting lazy soap-boxer capable of saying any dumb cant. I could almost peacefully let that go, except it is the well-known basis of followers in potentially dangerous cults. Thoughtless lack of Empathy towards the "Other"; and shallow obedience to the Group Cant.

The cult leader must, however, not interfere with the actual lives of these people TOO grossly or at least some of them will hit the wall of reality and wake up, diminishing the size and adulation of the Cult. As we all go down the drain economically (at least for an extended while) I remain "academically curious" as to how inbred the cult members are and stoutly remain. ... but I think it will take decades for the damage to science and real studies and real testing of claims to be repaired. Scientists all over are literally holding their heads in near despair.
 
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drayer54 said:
I would argue you can better info on Twitter, not FB/TikTok, than any other platform. Right now I am trending the India-Pakistan tension and European blackouts with better info there than I can anywhere else. I'm not advocating for just following Harry Sisson or Catturd. That kinda crap is pointless.
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I can agree with that depending on if you're following actual news sources. But he never posts legitimate sources. It's from known Russian propagandists over half the time
 
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With all that being said, it's still a very good thing that our historically worst states are improving. This will probably be one of the last times we can get these numbers tho. Will be curious to see where the states are at after the department of education is gone. Texas is already notorious for having their bad test takers not present on test days to help boost these scores. I imagine we'll see a lot more of that
 
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They really aren't though....the adjustments for these test numbers are always terrible. It's why you never see them used.
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Mississippi, mentioned in the original tweet, is absolutely a success story when it comes to education and has been for the past decade:
Mississippi has seen significant improvements in test scores, particularly for 4th graders in reading and math. The state has made notable gains in the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), with Mississippi 4th graders achieving the highest score increases in reading and math since 2013. In fact, Mississippi now ranks among the top states for 4th grade reading and math scores.
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  • Highest-ever rate of students scoring proficient or advanced in all four tests: 4th and 8th grade reading and math
  • No. 1 in the nation for achieving highest score increases in 4th grade reading and math since 2013
  • No. 9 in the nation for overall 4th grade reading scores and No. 16 for 4th grade math scores (up from No. 49 and No. 50 in 2013)
  • African American 4th graders rank No. 3 among their peers nationally for reading and math scores
  • Hispanic 4th graders rank No. 1 among their peers nationally for reading scores and No. 2 for math scores
  • Economically disadvantaged 4th graders rank No. 1 in the nation among their peers in reading and No. 2 for math.
  • 8th grade scores hold steady since 2013 as scores nationally dropped
  • Mississippi is one of only 13 states with gains in 4th grade math, which is the only subject and grade nationally that showed statistically significant improvements since 2022
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Adjusted or unadjusted they are going up. And I don't understand how anyone constitutes their success with underperforming minority groups is something to throw shade at... unless you're really, really racist and think Blacks kids doing well at math and reading is a bad thing, which I don't think anyone here is.
 
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And I don't understand how anyone constitutes their success with underperforming minority groups is something to throw shade at.
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I'm not throwing shade at it? The adjustments themselves have... shall we say....less than altruistic assumptions. Mississippi is also still below national averages and both NY and California in the raw data. It's great that Mississippi and Louisiana are improving but the original tweet was misleading and that's what I was clarifying with posting the responses.

(https://www.urban.org/research/publ...adjusted-performance-2024-national-assessment)

"Because we do not have student-level data for the 2024 NAEP administration, we perform a pseudo-adjustment using the most recent student-level data. We do this by applying the 2022 adjustment"
 
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I'm not throwing shade at it? The adjustments themselves have... shall we say....less than altruistic assumptions. Mississippi is also still below national averages and both NY and California in the raw data. It's great that Mississippi and Louisiana are improving but the original tweet was misleading and that's what I was clarifying with posting the responses.
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The demographic adjustments have been done for a long time under both administrations and are simply statistical for comparing apples-to-apples. I don't even know what you're alluding to. Are you mad that Mississippi is better at educating minorities than blue states? Were you mad about this during the Obama and Biden administrations as well when Mississippi started showing major improvements?
 
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What part of this, and be specific, do you have a problem with: The Nation's Report Card | NAEP

And when did you start having a problem with it? Mississippi has improved greatly in both raw numbers and demographic adjusted stats. This should be commended and more states should follow their lead on the specific changes they made to their educational systems.
 
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Have you noticed that every time someone disagrees with you or posts something you don't like, but can't refute with facts or logic, your fallback response is to call them a moron, a dipshit, an idiot, and etc. I'm not insulted. I'm happy to know that you realize you're on the wrong side of yet another issue and this is all you have left, so thanks!

Oh, and btw, Biden absolutely positively 100% encouraged and incentivized the invasion of millions of illegal immigrants during his administration.
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I see, presenting clear evidence of the fact that US citizens have been deported with no due process is “not using facts” and supporting an administration that violates the constitutional rights of citizens and then blatantly lies about it is being on the “right side”.

As an aside, Bishop posting “facts”
You didn't want the invasion stopped nor the problem addressed when it was being created, so STFU now about it finally getting solved. Nobody cares what you think about it. In fact, the more you dislike the way it's now being solved, the better the rest of us like it. Your hypocrisy and "America last" attitude have a cost.
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Honestly, part of me calling your intellect into question is that I think it’s kind of funny seeing you post these ridiculous Yosemite Sam inspired rants in response. I guess that makes me a bit petty and I’ll have find a way to live with that.
 
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IrishLax said:
What part of this, and be specific, do you have a problem with: The Nation's Report Card | NAEP

And when did you start having a problem with it? Mississippi has improved greatly in both raw numbers and demographic adjusted stats. This should be commended and more states should follow their lead on the specific changes they made to their educational systems.
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What changes have they made?
 
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What changes have they made?
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Quite a few.

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-The made pre-K literacy a priority by directing more funding into those programs. Many preschoolers in Mississippi are already K level literate.
-You're automatically held back and forced to repeat the 3rd grade if you don't hit certain reading benchmarks. So that also naturally helps boost some 4th grade scores.
-Increased funding and training for teachers. A lot of the training and practices stem from federally funded/researched pedagogy best practices
-More recently they've completely changed how they fund schools in the state. They have made some pretty drastic funding increase initiatives to school districts in lower income areas to make up for the lack of a tax base there. They've also done a great job funding special needs programs.
 
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BuaConstrictor said:
Whole word teaching is basically memorization. It's a shit way to teach reading. Phonics should have always been the standard. Going away from phonics has been a terrible mistake.
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That's what I assumed. I definitely learned phonetically. Not sure why we would have ever moved away from that standard. Makes it way harder to learn new words if you're unable to sound them out properly
 
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