Trump Presidency Round 2

[Old Man Mike]

No matter WHO is trying to push for consolidation of executive power over the other branches, ALL citizens caring about democracy should be screaming their heads off and demonstrating against him. THIS is NOW, so the discussion should be about the guy who is trying this NOW. How can anyone be comfortable about executive power grabbing?

And, as to "fixing the economy", we were doing better than every economy in the world, fighting off COVIDs legacy finally. I'd be GREATLY relieved if the current bastard would get his effing hands OFF the economy, especially his damm tariff stupidities. Hell, free trade is supposed to be part of Republican economic theory.

 

[GATTACA!]

And you know he isn’t working on the economy and other issues at the same time?

If he is it isn’t working.

 

[Tejas]

If he is it isn’t working.

What do you want him to do exactly?

 

[Old Man Mike]

NOT TARIFFS!

And get out of the way! Stocks were at records.

 

[Tejas]

Is it just the tariffs? Would that fix it? How do we lower the national debt? Would that lower inflation? Is it that black and white?

I'm asking legitimately, I don't really know how the US economy works much less some sort of a self sustaining one. I don't really understand how finances work.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Is it just the tariffs? Would that fix it? How do we lower the national debt? Would that lower inflation? Is it that black and white?

I'm asking legitimately, I don't really know how the US economy works much less some sort of a self sustaining one. I don't really understand how finances work.

The current Republican party doesn't care about lowering the national debt. That's painfully obvious. They care about fattening the wallets of the Uber wealthy while eroding workers rights.

 

[Tejas]

The current Republican party doesn't care about lowering the national debt. That's painfully obvious. They care about fattening the wallets of the Uber wealthy while eroding workers rights.

That's a horrible platform for them to run on. How did they get elected with that shit?

 

[NDVirginia19]

In theory free trade is great, but when you have free trade policies and other countries level tariffs and caps against your products at higher rates than you, that is unfair, and it leads to industrial flight out of our country. Should the point of our national economic policy be to buy cheap shit from China? Or should it be to promote the domestic industrial capability and balance that with getting cheaper products we couldn’t otherwise get.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

That's a horrible platform for them to run on. How did they get elected with that shit?

Immigration policy.

 

[TorontoGold]

The current Republican party doesn't care about lowering the national debt. That's painfully obvious. They care about fattening the wallets of the Uber wealthy while eroding workers rights.

Also the whole Republicans care about the economy more than Dems is a farce, most economic indicators historically favor Dems. GDP growth is higher under Dem presidents, and I think stock market growth too. Of course, what does that matter to the average person who’s exposure to the stock market isn’t that great and both parties don’t really care all that much about the wealth gap.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I’m just looking forward to there being no complaining from any posters when a Democrat president chooses to exercise power similarly.

As long as they exercise it for good like Trump did here, we won't complain at all. Trump forcing these schools to protect free speech, protect their Jewish students, protect their women athletes, and be fair and honest and balanced in their programs and admissions is a big win for everyone.

 

[Tejas]

Also the whole Republicans care about the economy more than Dems is a farce, most economic indicators historically favor Dems. GDP growth is higher under Dem presidents, and I think stock market growth too. Of course, what does that matter to the average person who’s exposure to the stock market isn’t that great and both parties don’t really care all that much about the wealth gap.

Is it just a matter of caring? Why is GDP growth better under Dems presidents when you read that? Seems like a win to elect Dem presidents.

 

[TorontoGold]

Is it just a matter of caring? Why is GDP growth better under Dems presidents when you read that? Seems like a win to elect Dem presidents.

Care might not be the right word - the belief that Conservatives are more "conscious" of economics. When the results don't back that up.

Dems image to voters should be that they're stronger on economics, but this has pro's and con's
Pro: Stronger GDP growth and stock market growth
Con: Beholden to their corporate donor class, don't really seem to care about the wealth gap.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This is what it supposedly looks like.

Man, looks like a Klingon Bird Of Prey.

 

[ChunkyParrot]

As long as they exercise it for good like Trump did here, we won't complain at all. Trump forcing these schools to protect free speech, protect their Jewish students, protect their women athletes, and be fair and honest and balanced in their programs and admissions is a big win for everyone.

 

[NorthDakota]

I’m just looking forward to there being no complaining from any posters when a Democrat president chooses to exercise power similarly.

They do exercise power similarly.

 

[Old Man Mike]

There are no one-liner answers on something as complex as economic growth, but if a person just takes their @#$% political prejudice hat off, one can easily recognize one ploy which does NOT work: When Trump begin making Tariff threats and then making more tariff threats and then saying well maybe these not those and then threatening more tariffs ---> the damm market went down 1000 points! WHY? EVERYONE knows why --- EVERY @#$% economist knows why! Business need stability STABILITY --- Business needs a dependable policy upon which they can then set their own planning. ALL tariffing is going to create higher costs ---> it's the whole reason why they're done. OK. MAYBE some are useful for long range planning BUT unstable changing verbiage and threats and game changers are NEVER good. They are in fact the product of people who don't give a real damm about the economy but only want to use it as a weapon. ALL economists do not like the idea of jerking the economy around to weaponize it for their own political aggrandizement. Are people so damm braindead that they can't even see this part of it?

 

[TorontoGold]

There are no one-liner answers on something as complex as economic growth, but if a person just takes their @#$% political prejudice hat off, one can easily recognize one ploy which does NOT work: When Trump begin making Tariff threats and then making more tariff threats and then saying well maybe these not those and then threatening more tariffs ---> the damm market went down 1000 points! WHY? EVERYONE knows why --- EVERY @#$% economist knows why! Business need stability STABILITY --- Business needs a dependable policy upon which they can then set their own planning. ALL tariffing is going to create higher costs ---> it's the whole reason why they're done. OK. MAYBE some are useful for long range planning BUT unstable changing verbiage and threats and game changers are NEVER good. They are in fact the product of people who don't give a real damm about the economy but only want to use it as a weapon. ALL economists do not like the idea of jerking the economy around to weaponize it for their own political aggrandizement. Are people so damm braindead that they can't even see this part of it?

Mike, there isn't a defense. It's either "Well there has to be something deeper that we can't see!" or "You don't get to criticize! Your team lost!!!".

 

[Bishop2b5]

I just heard that Elon Musk is planning to buy Planned Parenthood then watch the liberals burn all of them to the ground in protest!

 

[ChunkyParrot]

They do exercise power similarly.

Maybe in the same way a jackhammer and ball peen are similar. This administration is acting with levels of aggression and vengefulness that I cannot honestly think of a parallel for in any other. The closest analog I could think of was Iraq under the Bush administrations, and that’s not a US state. I tried to pull excerpts out of the linked article, but each paragraph just piles more on how ridiculous this is, especially as in Maine’s case, the federal agencies involved outnumber the transgender athletes 6 to 2.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...gender-girls-sports-education-social-security

Two Transgender Girls, Six Federal Agencies. How Trump Is Trying to Pressure Maine Into Obedience.

Maine said it wouldn’t break state law to follow President Donald Trump’s order barring transgender girls from playing girls’ sports. Then came a barrage of investigations and threats targeting the state’s federal funding.

www.propublica.org

 

[ChunkyParrot]

As long as they exercise it for good like Trump did here, we won't complain at all. Trump forcing these schools to protect free speech, protect their Jewish students, protect their women athletes, and be fair and honest and balanced in their programs and admissions is a big win for everyone.

So if the next president exercises it for good like Trump did here and decides FEMA should stop using taxpayer dollars to interfere with the free market determination of hurricane insurance rates, we’re all good? If CMS doesn’t want to reimburse patient care at hospitals that won’t protect their women patients by providing abortions, we’re cool? Pull highway funding because a charter school teaches abstinence only? As this admin says, doing business with the federal government is a privilege, not a right.

 

[Gladiator]

The current Republican party doesn't care about lowering the national debt. That's painfully obvious. They care about fattening the wallets of the Uber wealthy while eroding workers rights.

The Right to work, non-union bill was created by Obama.
As usual. Long term memory loss for everyone not paying attention.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So if the next president exercises it for good like Trump did here and decides FEMA should stop using taxpayer dollars to interfere with the free market determination of hurricane insurance rates, we’re all good? If CMS doesn’t want to reimburse patient care at hospitals that won’t protect their women patients by providing abortions, we’re cool? Pull highway funding because a charter school teaches abstinence only? As this admin says, doing business with the federal government is a privilege, not a right.

I said use it for good. Not a bunch of the same bad policies that got your side tossed from power. A dem president using his power to punish good stuff wouldn't exactly be for good now, would it?

 

[Gladiator]

There are no one-liner answers on something as complex as economic growth, but if a person just takes their @#$% political prejudice hat off, one can easily recognize one ploy which does NOT work: When Trump begin making Tariff threats and then making more tariff threats and then saying well maybe these not those and then threatening more tariffs ---> the damm market went down 1000 points! WHY? EVERYONE knows why --- EVERY @#$% economist knows why! Business need stability STABILITY --- Business needs a dependable policy upon which they can then set their own planning. ALL tariffing is going to create higher costs ---> it's the whole reason why they're done. OK. MAYBE some are useful for long range planning BUT unstable changing verbiage and threats and game changers are NEVER good. They are in fact the product of people who don't give a real damm about the economy but only want to use it as a weapon. ALL economists do not like the idea of jerking the economy around to weaponize it for their own political aggrandizement. Are people so damm braindead that they can't even see this part of it?

Of course. Americans should just leave It as It Is. I'm pretty sure Americans are strong enough and resilient enough, to build our own products here, instead of using NAFTA to keep the wealthy in step, and the poor where those that can't follow along, poorer.

Makes no sense to keep feeding other countries our dollars, when we have the ability to manufacture here in the states.

Why can other countries Tarriff us to death. Trump takes a stand and everyone melts down?



The Marshall Plan from 1948 should obviously still exist.

The Marshall Plan, officially known as the European Recovery Program, was a U.S. initiative enacted in 1948 to provide economic aid to Western Europe after World War II, with the goal of rebuilding war-torn economies and preventing the spread of communism. It allocated approximately $13.3 billion (around $173.8 billion today) to help restore infrastructure and promote economic cooperation among European nations.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The Right to work, non-union bill was created by Obama.
As usual. Long term memory loss for everyone not paying attention.

Like with pretty much everything you're wrong about this.

Obama opposed right to work laws.

Obama: Right-to-work is ‘right to work for less’

President Obama slammed Michigan's pending right-to-work legislation during a Monday address at a Detroit-area auto factory.

www.nbcnews.com

And your beloved Republicans just introduced a national right to work law

U.S. Senators Katie Britt, Rand Paul Introduce National Right to Work Act, Put American Workers First - Senator Katie Britt

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Katie Britt (R-Ala.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), and 16 of their Senate Republican colleagues introduced the National Right to Work Act, legislation to preserve and protect the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations or to refrain from...

www.britt.senate.gov

 

[TorontoGold]

NAFTA? Weird, I thought that a very stable genius signed the USMCA?

Circa remains 0-million

 

[Gladiator]

Like with pretty much everything you're wrong about this.

Obama opposed right to work laws.

Obama: Right-to-work is ‘right to work for less’

President Obama slammed Michigan's pending right-to-work legislation during a Monday address at a Detroit-area auto factory.

www.nbcnews.com

And your beloved Republicans just introduced a national right to work law

U.S. Senators Katie Britt, Rand Paul Introduce National Right to Work Act, Put American Workers First - Senator Katie Britt

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Katie Britt (R-Ala.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), and 16 of their Senate Republican colleagues introduced the National Right to Work Act, legislation to preserve and protect the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations or to refrain from...

www.britt.senate.gov

No he didn't. I don't care what that says. I was a part of that right to work loss of income. He said one thing to the cameras and destroyed unions behind the scenes. You're not going to tell me what happened to me in my life.

I'm sure you'll tell me the guy who ran on stopping the wars, didn't start 7 new wars. While killing more civilians than any president since WW2, with drones. The new bomb at the time.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

No he didn't. I don't care what that says. I was a part of that right to work loss of income. You can find anything you want on the net. But, you're not going to tell me what happened to me in my life.

I'm not going to tell you what happened to you. But I will say you're extremely uneducated on what happened. No national right to work laws were passed under Obama. 5 states voted for right to work while he was president tho. And now the Republicans are pushing for a national ban. So what you went thru and suffered thru, is what the party you support is trying to push thru on a national scale.

 

[Gladiator]

I'm not going to tell you what happened to you. But I will say you're extremely uneducated on what happened. No national right to work laws were passed under Obama. 5 states voted for right to work while he was president tho. And now the Republicans are pushing for a national ban. So what you went thru and suffered thru, is what the party you support is trying to push thru on a national scale.

I supported Obama and voted for him twice. I then woke up.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I supported Obama and voted for him twice. I then woke up.

So you went and voted for the people that want national right to work? The thing you apparently hate so much. Do yourself a favor and do some research into it. You can very clearly tell what party is a fan of it after 2 minutes of research. Or with 5 seconds of looking at a map.

Right To Work States Timeline

Timeline of Right To Work states provided by the National Right To Work Committee

nrtwc.org

I won't defend Obama's military actions. And that's not the conversation. I'm simply stating you're in you're understanding of work to right.

Rand Paul introduced a national right to work law in 2017

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/545

And he did it again last month with Britt from Alabama

U.S. Senators Katie Britt, Rand Paul Introduce National Right to Work Act, Put American Workers First - Senator Katie Britt

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Katie Britt (R-Ala.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), and 16 of their Senate Republican colleagues introduced the National Right to Work Act, legislation to preserve and protect the free choice of individuals to form, join, or assist labor organizations or to refrain from...

www.britt.senate.gov