Russia Invades Ukraine

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"but Russia must agree first." is doing A LOT of heavy lifting in that sentence.

Good strategic move by Ukraine/Zelenskyy here. Ukraine can essentially agree to a ceasefire, appear to want peace, and with the US and Russians meeting if Russia balks...it's a clear sign they are the problem (duh).

Not that any of it REALLY matters. If/when Russia fucks this deal over Trump/Vance et al will still find a way to blame Ukraine for it.
 

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Counter proposal...people here step their game up and actually know what they are talking about so they can have more engaging discussions.

The issue isn't me. It's them.
You, as the new guy in the room, don't get to make baseless accusations against anyone here. Your opinion on other people here carries zero weight. This is not a college lecture hall, you are no professor, and we are not 19 year old kids. Get over yourself.

And if the issue is everyone else, leave the forum and go back to doing whatever it was that occupied your day before you joined the site.
 

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You, as the new guy in the room, don't get to make baseless accusations against anyone here. Your opinion on other people here carries zero weight. This is not a college lecture hall, you are no professor, and we are not 19 year old kids. Get over yourself.

And if the issue is everyone else, leave the forum and go back to doing whatever it was that occupied your day before you joined the site.
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Zelenskyy has always said he will not give up any land.
What else is he supposed to say publicly? "Yeah Russia can have some of the land, we're going to just fight defensively from here on out and hold on for dear life" Like when you are in the war you can't really concede openly, only behind closed doors diplomatically when negotiating to end.
 

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What else is he supposed to say publicly? "Yeah Russia can have some of the land, we're going to just fight defensively from here on out and hold on for dear life" Like when you are in the war you can't really concede openly, only behind closed doors diplomatically when negotiating to end.
Agreed. I would expect that opening positions from Ukraine would be rather extreme. Part of the concern with Trump's messaging a few weeks ago was that he was undercutting the Ukraine position even before "negotiations" start. Virtually conceding things that would occur during a typical negotiation. Trump's position was that he was just being "real" and wanting to skip the first posturing phase of negotiations. Not sure if that will work or not.
 

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What else is he supposed to say publicly? "Yeah Russia can have some of the land, we're going to just fight defensively from here on out and hold on for dear life" Like when you are in the war you can't really concede openly, only behind closed doors diplomatically when negotiating to end.
Agreed. I would expect that opening positions from Ukraine would be rather extreme. Part of the concern with Trump's messaging a few weeks ago was that he was undercutting the Ukraine position even before "negotiations" start. Virtually conceding things that would occur during a typical negotiation. Trump's position was that he was just being "real" and wanting to skip the first posturing phase of negotiations. Not sure if that will work or not.
Totally agree NDV. Interesting that this is basically what a few of us have been saying for a while but have been getting blasted for by some that liked your post. lol

AB2.....You're probably right given he pretty much says what he means.
 
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