Trump Presidency Round 2

[Gladiator]

Yes I'm proposing we eliminate all of them. There is no more gaming the system if every American is getting the same exact amount.

Sounds good. Eggs will be something like $20 a dozen and a gallon of milk will be the same. At least we will get that check.
I always want money to spend. Inflation 101

 

[GATTACA!]

Sounds good. Eggs will be something like $20 a dozen and a gallon of milk will be the same. At least we will get that check.
I always want money to spend. Inflation 101

Gladiator knows more than economists! More news at 11.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I just have to ask, for all the people saying we are going to have ww3 or Putin is going to launch a nuke, can you please expalin a logical scenario how you envision that playing out? You really think it is in Putin's best interest in the least to send a nuke to London or DC for example? I feel like this is about as unlikely of a scenario as there is. So the theory is that Russia is losing in their conquest of Ukraine so their solution is to fight the world and destroy themselves more??!! Surely that's gonna be the solution....
I get that it sounds scary and can cause hesitation until you ask yourself how in the hell does that make any sense.

Not London or DC. On the battlefield with a warning that Kyiv would be next.

 

[Gladiator]

Soft power was literally a core concept of Ronald Reagan. Please do a modicum of reading of recent history. I know you want to seem like the enlightened one, Circa, but you cut this trope of being this truth seeker if you don’t grasp what soft power is.

I'm not a Reagon fan either. NAFTA, and a lot of things happened under the Reagan administration I disagree with, I was on the left side of things back then. NAFTA was a Reagan idea, and would have happened sooner If the left wasn't the majority. Clinton got It passed with a right majority, and it destroyed our ability to be a super power in steel and many major manufacturing departments, including the pharmaceutical industry.
I don't find myself to be enlightened or around enlightenment. I haven't been to church In years.

 

[Gladiator]

Gladiator knows more than economists! More news at 11.

No. I do read a lot. It's not that complicated. Toronto asked me to read more too.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I'm not a Reagon fan either. NAFTA, and a lot of things happened under the Reagan administration I disagree with, I was on the left side of things back then. NAFTA was a Reagan idea, and would have happened sooner If the left wasn't the majority. Clinton got It passed with a right majority, and it destroyed our ability to be a super power in steel and many major manufacturing departments, including the pharmaceutical industry.
I don't find myself to be enlightened or around enlightenment. I haven't been to church In years.

Reagan wasn't infallible but he was pretty freaking amazing.

I don't know what Reagan would think about the world today. Russia isn't even a communist country with a politboro anymore. It's a dictatorship.

Europe is pretty much finished in 20 years.

Africa is Africa. Nobody cares about it and its a shame. We need to invest there. Lots of beautiful people there.

China is the dragon of Asia and I think he would probably agree with our pivot to the pacific. I think that would be the only thing he would agree with Trump. Well that and the patriotism and being proud of America and loving it. Reagan would like that.

Having said that, and this might be the Kentucky bourbon talking, but that chick from The Turks seems much hotter now that she is an Independent.

 

[TracyGraham]

Not London or DC. On the battlefield with a warning that Kyiv would be next.

Ok, fair enough. Lets say there is a tactical nuke on the battle field. How exactly does that lead to ww3 or an all out nuke war any more than anything else? Troops aren't massed like in ww1. Do people imagine all of a sudden if there is a small nuke in a cornfield people will lose their minds and start launching icbms? That doesnt seem anymore likely to cause a ww3 to me, but I'm pretty dense.

 

[TheProspector]

I mean let's just call it like it is. It is not bankrupting us. Russia is not in the right here. We don't have to concoct a story of Ukraine as a group of Nazis or whatever. We all know exactly what happened. If something else happened, none of us are privy to any new info. If you have some super secret info on how Ukraine started the war, I'd love to hear it. IMO It's pretty black and white.
Honestly, it kinda makes me wonder if Trump really is on video getting peed on🤷‍♂️🥇🚿
I don't really want to argue because I don't see the point, but it's just kinda crazy to see people trying to justify pulling the rug out from Ukraine.Bad actors like Russia, Iran whoever only can understand the stick. I'm not a fan of enabling and it sets a crap precedence. If Ukraine wants to fight let them. Russia is not going to start ww3. They are not going to nuke us(I suppose there could be a tactical nuke in Ukraine but Ukraine knows what they are getting themselves into. They are clearly willing to die to stop Russia). These are just lies we tell ourselves. Sanctioning the fuck out of them and standing up to them is the only option imo(note when I say stand up it does not mean the US should fight

MAGA is so far gone that they’re literally trying to justify being on the side of Russia/North Korea/China in this conflict as opposed to our historical allies. Europe is the problem here, not the Communist dictatorships…

It would almost be comical if it wasn’t so sad that the party of Reagan was co-opted by these clowns.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[TheProspector]

Well if Catturd2 is passing this along, I’m sure the original tweet contains a lot of context…

If you actually took 20 seconds to Google Zelensky, instead of racing to forward a dubious tweet, you can find a handful of articles from actual news outlets indicating the majority of Ukrainians are backing him coming out yesterday.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Truly bizarre to see the Make America Great Again crowd resign themselves to the end of American exceptionalism simply because there is no other justification for their cult leaders actions.

We're sacrificing our own global positioning because Trump is playing 6D chess!! Duh!!

America is getting a bad deal, and you know what will solve it... a multi-polar world that effectively returns the world stage to the 19th century. You libs don't understand, Canada and Europe have been the real foe all along.

 

[dublinirish]

Dubinsky is in jail for treason lol so yeah he would be saying that


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[Blazers46]

Wars are messy by design, and everything it touches is messy and will get messy. I think it’s great in a way shit hit the fan last night. I cringe a little when the cameras turn on and everyone plays nice. I’ve been in some government meetings with some high level people (obviously not those high level) and this is PG for what is said and maybe even done sometimes behind closed doors.

We can point fingers and at “who started it” or who is to blame for the spat but who the fuck cares besides some whiny bitches that forget this a conversion about A WAR! Zelensky has every right to be pissed and frustrated just as the leaders of the US have a right to be pissed and frustrated. They both have completely different expectations and people they are responsible to because they both run completely different countries, they are going to disagree. If you are Ukraine a ceasefire should be good enough, fuck sake just take it and save some people in the short term and work on long term security once bullets stop flying!!

 

[IrishLax]

 

[TorontoGold]

Dubinsky is in jail for treason lol so yeah he would be saying that


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I don't think #1 cares lol

 

[BilboBaggins]

If you are Ukraine a ceasefire should be good enough, fuck sake just take it and save some people in the short term and work on long term security once bullets stop flying!!

If you are the United States there are no downsides to continuing to support Ukraine. For something like 1% of a defense budget, we get to continue to punish Russian aggression and continue the post-WW2 standard of opposing wars of conquest... and significantly weaken one of China's only allies... and **strengthen the US military.**

At the same time, if you are the US there is no benefit to mocking and abandoning Europe to force them to build their own military. US leaders with a brain understand that a multipolar world with a strong French- or German-led European military being a real player is precisely the sort of thing NATO was intended to prevent.

It's absolutely wild to me that the party of Reagan doesn't understand this shit.

 

[ulukinatme]

NATO should have called Putin's bluff and just accepted Ukraine into the fold officially. It's not like Putin kept up his side and stayed out of Ukraine. Putin is fine dragging out this proxy war and draining us and Europe of resources, he's shown no signs of stopping. Forcing Putin to retreat via accepting Ukraine in is probably the only option that would have prevented the war or could end it. That is, unless Ukraine decides they're ready to negotiate peace. They're not winning this war without us sacrificing American/NATO lives.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[TorontoGold]

 

[NDVirginia19]

If you are the United States there are no downsides to continuing to support Ukraine. For something like 1% of a defense budget, we get to continue to punish Russian aggression and continue the post-WW2 standard of opposing wars of conquest... and significantly weaken one of China's only allies... and **strengthen the US military.**

At the same time, if you are the US there is no benefit to mocking and abandoning Europe to force them to build their own military. US leaders with a brain understand that a multipolar world with a strong French- or German-led European military being a real player is precisely the sort of thing NATO was intended to prevent.

It's absolutely wild to me that the party of Reagan doesn't understand this shit.

Ukraine is not thinking logically and will not win the war and force Putin to capitulate. They don’t have the manpower and their situation is only going to get worse. Russia is getting more and more Chinese and Iranian support. This is their chance for the best odds they have at peace. US security guarantees, which involves US troops on the ground in Ukraine, is an absolute nonstarter and it is a hill that Zelenskyy wants to die on.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Ukraine is not thinking logically and will not win the war and force Putin to capitulate. They don’t have the manpower and their situation is only going to get worse. Russia is getting more and more Chinese and Iranian support. This is their chance for the best odds they have at peace. US security guarantees, which involves US troops on the ground in Ukraine, is an absolute nonstarter and it is a hill that Zelenskyy wants to die on.

You do not know if Ukraine can or cannot "force Putin to capitulate." The Ukrainians should be the ones deciding if they want to continue the fight. Clearly, they want to continue their resistance to the Russian invasion. They don't need American manpower to do this, they need European and American aid.

This is a question of whether the US should continue appropriating a small fraction of the defense budget for opposing the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It's really just that simple.

Considering that most of this aid is paying American companies to make armaments, and thus strengthen the domestic military-industrial production capabilities of the US, this is a no-brainer in my view.

But at its core, I personally consider the legacy of WW2 to be a world order that firmly opposes wars of conquest, and I think failing to oppose Russia's conquest of Ukraine would be just about the most unwise move America could possibly make.

 

[Blazers46]

Ukraine is not thinking logically and will not win the war and force Putin to capitulate. They don’t have the manpower and their situation is only going to get worse. Russia is getting more and more Chinese and Iranian support. This is their chance for the best odds they have at peace. US security guarantees, which involves US troops on the ground in Ukraine, is an absolute nonstarter and it is a hill that Zelenskyy wants to die on.

Exactly. Russia is needing and getting more support. Ukraine is needing more US support. We can call it a proxy war for now but eventually both sides will need more bodies. The end game is not the destruction of Russia it’s WWIII.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Exactly. Russia is needing and getting more support. Ukraine is needing more US support. We can call it a proxy war for now but eventually both sides will need more bodies. The end game is not the destruction of Russia it’s WWIII.

It is ridiculous to suggest this ends with WW3.

If people are worried about large scale wars, they should be worried about nuclear proliferation. For 80 years, Europe and allies in Asia have been able to side with the US and get an ironclad commitment that American strength will keep the peace. In exchange for that commitment, free and open oceanic travel, nuclear nonproliferation, and no wars of conquest are going to be the laws of the land (and sea).

The failure of American leadership to partner either European and Asian allies is going to have an obvious effect: looks for security elsewhere. If American hegemony isn't keeping the peace, maybe the bomb will.

If you were honestly concerned about WW3, or large scale wars, you'd be concerned about the precedent Trump will set by failing to do the minimum to help Ukraine defend its territory. Don't partner with the US, just get the bomb.

 

[GATTACA!]

Exactly. Russia is needing and getting more support. Ukraine is needing more US support. We can call it a proxy war for now but eventually both sides will need more bodies. The end game is not the destruction of Russia it’s WWIII.

 

[NDVirginia19]

You do not know if Ukraine can or cannot "force Putin to capitulate." The Ukrainians should be the ones deciding if they want to continue the fight

I think the easily observed facts of land gain over the past two years and the intelligence that our government has that is public knowledge probably gives our government an ability to have a better objective view on the matter than the Ukrainian’s who are inextricably blinded by the fog of war.

 

[Blazers46]

Let me guess, you’re an accountant?

 

[Blazers46]

It is ridiculous to suggest this ends with WW3.

It’s not. Not at all.

You do not know if Ukraine can or cannot "force Putin to capitulate." The Ukrainians should be the ones deciding if they want to continue the fight. Clearly, they want to continue their resistance to the Russian invasion. They don't need American manpower to do this, they need European and American aid.

The majority of Ukrainians want this to end.

 

[calvegas04]

I think the easily observed facts of land gain over the past two years and the intelligence that our government has that is public knowledge probably gives our government an ability to have a better objective view on the matter than the Ukrainian’s who are inextricably blinded by the fog of war.

200-300k + casualties in 2024 for 25 miles push inland

"It has taken a year for Russia's troops to advance about 40km (25 miles) west - Ukraine was forced to withdraw from Avdiivka, just north of Donetsk, in February 2024 after months of fighting."

Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia

How Russia's gradual gains in the face of fierce Ukrainian opposition have affected the front line in recent months.

www.bbc.com

 

[calvegas04]

Good job trump

 

[TracyGraham]

It’s not. Not at all.

The majority of Ukrainians want this to end.

Info like that would go a long way to sway opinion. Do you have a link? In the past 3 years, I only see examples/videos of Ukrainians eagerly kicking ass.