The Way Too Early Starting Lineups for 2025

[OhioIrish]

I would hope that all of the Angeli doubters don't want him to transfer. He has the most experience out of all the QB's on the roster. I think ND NEEDS to have Angeli on the roster.

I agree. If Carr is healthy and can execute the WHOLE offense then he should start, even at Miami. Anything short of that then I think Angeli should take the first snaps in game one. Part of my reasoning is that we cannot have another year in which players like Greathouse get underutilized (and underdeveloped) because the QB is not capable of executing the whole playbook. We have too many weapons and need a QB whole can leverage them all — especially early next season. Angeli can do that.

 

[Dale]

I agree. If Carr is healthy and can execute the WHOLE offense then he should start, even at Miami. Anything short of that then I think Angeli should take the first snaps in game one. Part of my reasoning is that we cannot have another year in which players like Greathouse get underutilized (and underdeveloped) because the QB is not capable of executing the whole playbook. We have too many weapons and need a QB whole can leverage them all — especially early next season. Angeli can do that.

We’ve seen Angeli can execute the entire playbook?

 

[NDFAN2008]

Will Black could very easily start right away at LT he’s the best we have had at that position in a very long time

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Will Black could very easily start right away at LT he’s the best we have had at that position in a very long time

based on what? potential?

 

[Ricochet]

Knapp might be the most talented OL we’ve had in awhile. Don’t fix what ain’t broke. He might stay at LT and be a stud. Lambert can’t play LT supposedly

What? What Knapp did was commendable especially for a true freshman but his Pass Pro was lacking from OT standpoint. Don't get me wrong he's got a lot of great traits but he's much better suited for the IOL, where his solid Pass Pro as OT will become a major plus as a G or C.

Jagusah is going start whether it's at LT or RG, he showed in his limited time that he's dominant player that will on the field.

I'm curious to see if the Lambert can't play on the left side is true or not, but if that is the case then I think if your trying to get the best out there. Lambert is going to be in the mix at RG with the likes of Knapp if doesn't beat out Craig at C as well as Absher and potentially Jagusah.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

based on what? potential?

Yes, which means Ben Koyack could’ve easily started at LT.

 

[NDFAN2008]

based on what? potential?

Watch his film there’s numerous people who have said the same just saying I wouldn’t count him out.

 

[Dale]

We have seen nearly nothing to say Angeli can push the ball down the field. His mop up duty in both years did not include that, obviously, so the only sample size is a good performance of such vs Oregon State in the Sun Bowl. We also know he struggles with taking pressure and his arm strength is likely the weakest of the three.

That calls into question his ability to execute the most dynamic part of any playbook. No doubt he has shown he can execute a quick passing game.

You can figuratively see the ceiling on the offense with Angeli.

 

[Dale]

Posting to enter into evidence so I can find it quickly in the future

 

[OhioIrish]

We’ve seen Angeli can execute the entire playbook?

You’ve missed the point. We want to develop and execute the entire offense and should start the QB who is most capable of doing that. If Angeli is that guy, he should start at Miami.

 

[Dale]

You’ve missed the point. We want to develop and execute the entire offense and should start the QB who is most capable of doing that. If Angeli is that guy, he should start at Miami.

I understood that as the point? You said as a matter of fact that Angeli can do that, and that I disagree with

“need a QB whole can leverage them all…Angeli can do that.”

 

[OhioIrish]

I understood that as the point? You said as a matter of fact that Angeli can do that, and that I disagree with

“need a QB whole can leverage them all…Angeli can do that.”

You need to synthesize the whole post, not be triggered by the one line you find objectionable. If you do that, you’ll see we likely agree, but that you missed the point. All good, happens to everyone.

 

[Dale]

You need to synthesize the whole post, not be triggered by the one line you find objectionable. If you do that, you’ll see we likely agree, but that you missed the point. All good, happens to everyone.

Okay haha

 

[stlnd01]

You’ve missed the point. We want to develop and execute the entire offense and should start the QB who is most capable of doing that. If Angeli is that guy, he should start at Miami.

What if it's Minchey? Then he should start at Miami, right?
Reality is we fans haven't seen enough of any of these three to know who should start. But the coaches have, or they will have by Labor Day weekend anyway.

 

[stlnd01]

Watch his film there’s numerous people who have said the same just saying I wouldn’t count him out.

People are saying...

To me, Black is a lot like Lambert. Appears to be super talented, but frankly didn't play top-tier high school competition and also is not an early enrollee so won't be there for spring practice. I wouldn't plan on him being ready to start in 2025, but expect big things from 2026 on.

 

[irishandy]

If the Miami game was today I've seen enough of Angeli to say he is the #1 QB. I am not fully taking out Carr.

Is Carr or Minchey ready for that environment?

The competition should be between Angeli and Carr, Minchey is the dark horse.

 

[Ricochet]

People are saying...

To me, Black is a lot like Lambert. Appears to be super talented, but frankly didn't play top-tier high school competition and also is not an early enrollee so won't be there for spring practice. I wouldn't plan on him being ready to start in 2025, but expect big things from 2026 on.

Logically you're not wrong and I more or less agree but I'm just not going assume only speculate anymore after a 3 star IOL true Freshman ended up ND's starting LT.

My best guess it's going to be Jagusah-Schrauth-Craig-Knapp-Wagner.

 

[stlnd01]

Logically you're not wrong and I more or less agree but I'm just not going assume only speculate anymore after a 3 star IOL true Freshman ended up ND's starting LT.

My best guess it's going to be Jagusah-Schrauth-Craig-Knapp-Wagner.

Yep, assume nothing. Maybe Black is that good. But I would note that Knapp was here for last spring and came in having played pretty high level high school ball in Georgia. He’d seen things you don’t see at Choate Rosemary Hall.

 

[OhioIrish]

Logically you're not wrong and I more or less agree but I'm just not going assume only speculate anymore after a 3 star IOL true Freshman ended up ND's starting LT.

My best guess it's going to be Jagusah-Schrauth-Craig-Knapp-Wagner.

It’s pretty remarkable that we have 4 or 5 different potential OL combinations that could be Joe Moore level, imo.

 

[Rocketman84]

Yes, which means Ben Koyack could’ve easily started at LT.

The Prep AA TE Ben Koyack😂😂

 

[NDFAN2008]

Is Craig even going to be ready?

 

[Edge]

Who’s going to step up?
No Coogan, Morrison, Leonard, Kiser, Watts, Mills.

 

[mcbri014]

Will Black could very easily start right away at LT he’s the best we have had at that position in a very long time

Yeah, Joe Alt was a very long time ago.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Yeah, Joe Alt was a very long time ago.

Correct and Alt was ranked as a TE and not highly ranked.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Watch his film there’s numerous people who have said the same just saying I wouldn’t count him out.

He very well could be down the road, but you are putting the cart 2 miles ahead of the horse. Saying he will start day 1 is a pipe dream. Is he already ahead of Lambert?
Also what’s your definition of “a very long time”? A season? 5 years? He’s not Alt, Miglinchey, or Stanley yet. Or even NFL All Pro guard Zach Martin that should have won Outland trophy as a LT.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Black isn't going to be starting this year. The talent they have on the line going into this year I just can't see a freshman summer enrollee moving up the depth chart. By the end of the year of course he could be out there with injuries and growth through the year but no not to start the year

 

[NDFAN2008]

He very well could be down the road, but you are putting the cart 2 miles ahead of the horse. Saying he will start day 1 is a pipe dream. Is he already ahead of Lambert?
Also what’s your definition of “a very long time”? A season? 5 years? He’s not Alt, Miglinchey, or Stanley yet. Or even NFL All Pro guard Zach Martin that should have won Outland trophy as a LT.

I said I wouldn’t count him out meaning he’s gonna push to start didn’t say he’s gonna def start

 

[NDFAN2008]

He very well could be down the road, but you are putting the cart 2 miles ahead of the horse. Saying he will start day 1 is a pipe dream. Is he already ahead of Lambert?
Also what’s your definition of “a very long time”? A season? 5 years? He’s not Alt, Miglinchey, or Stanley yet. Or even NFL All Pro guard Zach Martin that should have won Outland trophy as a LT.

Black is higher regarded than all those guys coming out of HS Alt was a 3 star TE not even 260 lbs you are comparing Alt now to what those guys turned into

 

[Ricochet]

You can have equal talents who develop at different rates or expected rates. I was one of the people who thought Alt was a stud right from the get go even though he had a 3 star ranking and was listed as a TE. While I believed he was a 5 star talent I understood the ranking as he wasn't a plug and play prospect and was thought he was going to need a couple of years to get the size needed. The genetics was apparent, he was going to be a stud the surprise was that time of development. While I thought what he became was correct my timeline wasn't. As for Black, well he's more or less a carbon copy of Alt physically as a Sophomore but is mental and emotional levels there to be ready in year 1?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Black is higher regarded than all those guys coming out of HS Alt was a 3 star TE not even 260 lbs you are comparing Alt now to what those guys turned into

Look man, I’m trying to help you. Your repetitive posting is making my ignorant posting give me the appearance of an intellectual. You’ve stated numerous times that Will could start from day one. Now knowing you base it off of how he is viewed in highschool makes it worse. If that’s the case then Sam Young should have had a statue at ND.

Yes, Will Black is good. Yes, he has the potential to be great. Yes, there are million reasons why he could also be a bust.