Media Matters

[dublinirish]

I had to Google Zuckerberg news to make sure that this wasn't some kind of AI hoax. Really is kind of amazing the changes that Zuckerberg is implementing.

saw hes added Dana White to Meta's board or something too

 

[drayer54]

Copying Elon is a good start.

 

[Irish#1]

I had to Google Zuckerberg news to make sure that this wasn't some kind of AI hoax. Really is kind of amazing the changes that Zuckerberg is implementing.

He did admit that at one time he was getting indirect pressure from our wonderful government to filter a lot of content.

 

[drayer54]

 

[Irish#1]

 

[drayer54]

Shocked that someone so vile could be so close to that…

 

[Bishop2b5]

A few years in a Federal prison might seem like his best option. She's a bitter, hate-filled wack job.

 

[ulukinatme]

Copying Elon is a good start.

He's not wrong to ditch the fact checkers and go to a Community Notes style system. Elon got that right.
The Fact Checkers were not actual fact checkers, they were biased bullshitters. As an example, they came out and said Biden's teleprompter gaff where he said "End of Quote, Repeat the Line." was intentional, saying he was falsely accused of having a moment. They used a quote from the White House press secretary as proof to back the claim lol, but the video is pretty obvious that the staff was covering for him again.

Social Media Posts Misleadingly Edit and Misrepresent Biden Remarks from Teleprompter - FactCheck.org

President Joe Biden quoted the Supreme Court majority opinion on ending the constitutional right to abortion in remarks he made on July 8. Social media posts falsely claim he mistakenly read teleprompter cues. A White House press secretary told us Biden intentionally said “end of quote” and then...

www.factcheck.org

 

[Bluto]

All the killing by Hamas is okay? Israel gave plenty of notice for people to get out. Hamas threatened to kill their own if they left the area in order to keep them as human shields. How else do you deal with them? Negotiate? lol

According to all the former heads of the Israeli security service Shin Bet the answer would be yes. Lol.

The crazy thing about all this is right wing dummies straight parrot the same talking points of the New York Times on this issue in spite of many on the right believing it’s some bastion of libtard disinformation.

 

[Bluto]

Hamas Releases Video of Teenage Israeli Soldier Held Hostage in Gaza

Liri Albag, 19, is one of about 100 hostages believed to remain held in the enclave nearly 15 months after the Hamas-led attacks on Israel.

www.nytimes.com

I can’t read the article due to the pay wall.

 

[TorontoGold]

According to all the former heads of the Israeli security service Shin Bet the answer would be yes. Lol.

The crazy thing about all this is right wing dummies straight parrot the same talking points of the New York Times on this issue in spite of many on the right believing it’s some bastion of libtard disinformation.

I’m waiting for the day when the marching orders are given that Elon is actually bad. Free speech absolutist were up in arms over previous censorship, surely they’ll remain consistent with Elon changing the algo for “Overly negative content”. lol or it’ll just be “well you see deplatforming alt right psychos was bad cuz it wasn’t Elon, I’m glad he’s getting rid of them!”

 

[Bishop2b5]

I’m waiting for the day when the marching orders are given that Elon is actually bad. Free speech absolutist were up in arms over previous censorship, surely they’ll remain consistent with Elon changing the algo for “Overly negative content”. lol or it’ll just be “well you see deplatforming alt right psychos was bad cuz it wasn’t Elon, I’m glad he’s getting rid of them!”

This is yet another of your BS strawman lies. And one you've gotten busted for at least once before. Nobody in here has argued for absolute free speech. We all understand there are common sense limits. It's something you toss out because you can't make your point or refute anyone else's without spinning, making up quotations, and using strawman arguments. Oh, and again, putting lol after everything doesn't make it funny or more effective or make it seem like you really think it was hilariously easy to refute someone's point. It makes you sound like a giggling 10-year-old girl who's trying too hard. If you had facts and reason and even a little ability to argue a point honestly and factually and effectively, none of your weak strawman stuff would be necessary. You know it, I know it, we all know it. But you do you.

 

[Bluto]

I’m waiting for the day when the marching orders are given that Elon is actually bad. Free speech absolutist were up in arms over previous censorship, surely they’ll remain consistent with Elon changing the algo for “Overly negative content”. lol or it’ll just be “well you see deplatforming alt right psychos was bad cuz it wasn’t Elon, I’m glad he’s getting rid of them!”

The cognitive dissonance surrounding these issues is pretty remarkable.

Take Mel Gibson for example. Him and other right wing morons have been running around blaming everyone but themselves for their houses burning to the ground which they built on the top of a ridge line, in a canyon, in an area that evolved to burn, llikely with little to no defensible space and or hardening like metal roofing.

Inconvenient truths about the fires burning in Los Angeles from two fire experts

For years, renowned fire experts Jack Cohen and Stephen Pyne have tried to shift the conversation on fire prevention strategies. This week's destruction, they say, could have been minimized.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Bluto]

This is yet another of your BS strawman lies. And one you've gotten busted for at least once before. Nobody in here has argued for absolute free speech. We all understand there are common sense limits. It's something you toss out because you can't make your point or refute anyone else's without spinning, making up quotations, and using strawman arguments. Oh, and again, putting lol after everything doesn't make it funny or more effective or make it seem like you really think it was hilariously easy to refute someone's point. It makes you sound like a giggling 10-year-old girl who's trying too hard. If you had facts and reason and even a little ability to argue a point honestly and factually and effectively, none of your weak strawman stuff would be necessary. You know it, I know it, we all know it. But you do you.

Lot of projection going on here.

 

[TorontoGold]

This is yet another of your BS strawman lies. And one you've gotten busted for at least once before. Nobody in here has argued for absolute free speech. We all understand there are common sense limits. It's something you toss out because you can't make your point or refute anyone else's without spinning, making up quotations, and using strawman arguments. Oh, and again, putting lol after everything doesn't make it funny or more effective or make it seem like you really think it was hilariously easy to refute someone's point. It makes you sound like a giggling 10-year-old girl who's trying too hard. If you had facts and reason and even a little ability to argue a point honestly and factually and effectively, none of your weak strawman stuff would be necessary. You know it, I know it, we all know it. But you do you.

I was sharing a laugh with someone else? lol do I need to insert myself into every back and forth you have with someone else? Since you inserted yourself indulge me on the fact based argument to how Elon’s moderation is different than before.

I’ve been consistent on saying moderation is needed. There are those on IE (not you because you really never articulate a stance other than puffing your chest) that were upset prior to Elon the moderation was hurting those on the fringe right - now Elon is doing the very same thing but no one is upset.

 

[TorontoGold]

The cognitive dissonance surrounding these issues is pretty remarkable.

Take Mel Gibson for example. Him and other right wing morons have been running around blaming everyone but themselves for the houses that they built on the top of a ridge line, in a canyon, in an area that evolved to burn, llikely with with little to no defensible space and or hardening like metal roofing burned to the ground.

Inconvenient truths about the fires burning in Los Angeles from two fire experts

For years, renowned fire experts Jack Cohen and Stephen Pyne have tried to shift the conversation on fire prevention strategies. This week's destruction, they say, could have been minimized.

www.yahoo.com

It’s great honestly. Who would have guessed having porn bots and hate speech would bad for business.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I can’t read the article due to the pay wall.

It's a video of one of the hostages that was released recently. The IDF recently found a father and son dead in one of the tunnels.

The world is full of suffering. I tend to save most of my sympathies for people who don't bring it on themselves and are living peaceful lives. This would have ended long ago had Hamas simply released the hostages.

Christians in Nigeria are being slaughtered every day and you don't hear a peep about it. I wonder if it's because they are black, Christian or both. Or maybe because their oppressors are black, which I guess makes it ok.

 

[Irish#1]

According to all the former heads of the Israeli security service Shin Bet the answer would be yes. Lol.

The crazy thing about all this is right wing dummies straight parrot the same talking points of the New York Times on this issue in spite of many on the right believing it’s some bastion of libtard disinformation.

The question was directed to you, not what Shin Bet or anyone else thinks. How would you handle this?

 

[TorontoGold]

The question was directed to you, not what Shin Bet or anyone else thinks. How would you handle this?

It takes two to tango.

In your opinion, isn’t it a lost cause because we know their ethnicity and therefore know what their intentions are going to be?

 

[Bluto]

It's a video of one of the hostages that was released recently. The IDF recently found a father and son dead in one of the tunnels.

The world is full of suffering. I tend to save most of my sympathies for people who don't bring it on themselves and are living peaceful lives. This would have ended long ago had Hamas simply released the hostages.

Christians in Nigeria are being slaughtered every day and you don't hear a peep about it. I wonder if it's because they are black, Christian or both. Or maybe because their oppressors are black, which I guess makes it ok.

Hamas offered up the same hostage/cease fire deal that is presently on the table back in February if I’m not mistaken.

The State of Israel has never “existed peacefully”.

It’s founding was kick started due in large part to the violent anti semitism found in Europe and by European Zionists who immigrated there who the proceeded to commit acts of terror (bombings and assassinations) against British authorities and local Arab and Christian populations. It has then continued to be maintained through the use of violence including extra judicial killings and targeted assassinations of people that were acting against it and people it simply suspected were acting against it around the globe.

At several points in its history members of Israels own internal security forces have advocated very strongly for a peace treaty with the local Palestinian population and the establishment of a Palestinian State because they understood that would be the only permanent solution. Unfortunately the leadership of the country choose a different direction each time.

If you are genuinely interested in understanding more about this I would recommend the book Rise and Kill First by Ronen Bergman and the 100 Years’ War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi.

As to the situation in Nigeria? I can’t speak to that but it appears that you are making some pretty broad assumptions based on your own very limited knowledge of the area and its history and your own internal basis.

 

[Bluto]

The question was directed to you, not what Shin Bet or anyone else thinks. How would you handle this?

A peace treaty along the lines of the Good Friday Agreement.

Disarmament of all parties involved, the establishment of a new constitution that forms a secular state of Israel/Palestine where power sharing is guaranteed while still allowing for both the right to return by displaced Palestinians and automatic citizenship status for Jews globally who choose to immigrate there. Then work on extending it membership in NATO to ensure its broader security.

 

[Irish#1]

A peace treaty along the lines of the Good Friday Agreement.

Disarmament of all parties involved, the establishment of a new constitution that forms a secular state of Israel/Palestine where power sharing is guaranteed while still allowing for both the right to return by displaced Palestinians and automatic citizenship status for Jews globally who choose to immigrate there. Then work on extending it membership in NATO to ensure its broader security.

Peace Treaty = Negotiations

In a fantasy world this works, but not in the real world. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them have come to an agreement a long time ago. The problem is terrorists don't live by the same rules. They are broken into so many factions within each organization that you end up still having the same problem.

Disarmament will never work. Neither side particularly Israel would feel comfortable with that. Particularly when you have factions that split off.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Hamas offered up the same hostage/cease fire deal that is presently on the table back in February if I’m not mistaken.

The State of Israel has never “existed peacefully”.

It’s founding was kick started due in large part to the violent anti semitism found in Europe and by European Zionists who immigrated there who the proceeded to commit acts of terror (bombings and assassinations) against British authorities and local Arab and Christian populations. It has then continued to be maintained through the use of violence including extra judicial killings and targeted assassinations of people that were acting against it and people it simply suspected were acting against it around the globe.

At several points in its history members of Israels own internal security forces have advocated very strongly for a peace treaty with the local Palestinian population and the establishment of a Palestinian State because they understood that would be the only permanent solution. Unfortunately the leadership of the country choose a different direction each time.

If you are genuinely interested in understanding more about this I would recommend the book Rise and Kill First by Ronen Bergman and the 100 Years’ War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi.

As to the situation in Nigeria? I can’t speak to that but it appears that you are making some pretty broad assumptions based on your own very limited knowledge of the area and its history and your own internal basis.

I was comparing the suffering of the people of Nigeria and Palestinians, not Israel.

Why are more Christians killed in Nigeria than anywhere else?

www.opendoorsuk.org

 

[Bishop2b5]

For anyone suggesting that Israel negotiate with the Palestinians in order to secure a long-term solution and peace, that's all well and good in theory and we all wish it would happen. The problem is that the Palestinians have never kept their word following a single peace agreement. Not ever. As soon as they lick their wounds and get a respite, they violate any and all such agreements sooner or later, and start firing rockets and committing acts of terror, usually against Israeli civilians. Negotiations are rather pointless until the Palestinians can be trusted to actually follow the terms of any peace talks.

 

[drayer54]

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Bluto]

Peace Treaty = Negotiations

In a fantasy world this works, but not in the real world. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them have come to an agreement a long time ago. The problem is terrorists don't live by the same rules. They are broken into so many factions within each organization that you end up still having the same problem.

Disarmament will never work. Neither side particularly Israel would feel comfortable with that. Particularly when you have factions that split off.

You’re demonstrably wrong. It worked in Northern Ireland.

 

[Bluto]

For anyone suggesting that Israel negotiate with the Palestinians in order to secure a long-term solution and peace, that's all well and good in theory and we all wish it would happen. The problem is that the Palestinians have never kept their word following a single peace agreement. Not ever. As soon as they lick their wounds and get a respite, they violate any and all such agreements sooner or later, and start firing rockets and committing acts of terror, usually against Israeli civilians. Negotiations are rather pointless until the Palestinians can be trusted to actually follow the terms of any peace talks.

Per usual, this is a complete misreading of history. Hey, at least you’re consistent!

The one group that has consistently derailed the peace process and been bad actors, including and up to assassinating a prime minister of Israel is fundamentalist, right wing Israelis largely associated with the settler movement. That’s not my opinion it’s the opinion stated by multiple members of Israel’s own security services over the decades.

 

[Irish#1]

You’re demonstrably wrong. It worked in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland? Congrats, you found the needle in the haystack, yet there is a significant difference! The IRA might have been considered a terrorist organization, but their activities were about political representation. Terrorists in the ME justify their activities by their religious beliefs and by the fact that other nations carved out an area in the ME for the Jewish population with Israel admitted to the UN in '48. The terrorist groups in the ME have taken their activities to the U.S., France, England and other countries. Apples and oranges.

 

[Irish#1]

We have a cease fire agreement, not a peace treaty but it's a start. Looks like Hamas is getting the sweeter end of the deal.

The deal is expected to include the release of five female Israeli soldiers held by Hamas in the first phase of the agreement, each of whom would be exchanged for 50 Palestinian prisoners, including 30 convicted militants who are serving life sentences, The Associated Press reported.

Palestinian prisoners deemed responsible for killing Israelis would not be released into the West Bank, but rather to the Gaza Strip or abroad following agreements with foreign countries.

Hamas and its allies still hold 94 people taken from Israel on October 7, 2023. At least 34 of them are dead, according to the Israeli government, though the true number is expected to be higher. Hamas holds an additional four hostages who have been captive since 2014, at least two of whom are dead.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-hostages-01-15-24/index.html