ND's Talking Heads ... The good, bad & ugly

FWIrish4

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He's downplaying RL's problems, just like he and O'Malley did Saturday night in their Overtime podcast.

RL has more issues than just accuracy.
Enlighten us here of what you mean. I think you may be hinting at the offense as a whole, which includes play calling?
 

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He doesn't move up in the pocket, and scrambles too early. When he scrambles he does not keep his eyes downfield and misses big play opportunities. Against defenses that can tackle (i.e. not Purdue) that is a recipe for 3rd and longs which is not a situation RL excels in.
 

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He doesn't move up in the pocket, and scrambles too early. When he scrambles he does not keep his eyes downfield and misses big play opportunities. Against defenses that can tackle (i.e. not Purdue) that is a recipe for 3rd and longs which is not a situation RL excels in.
It would be nice if ND would embrace the new technology rules and use iPads on the sidelines. Showing RL in-game would probably be beneficial
 

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Yup.

In addition to his accuracy issues, RL shows lack of comfort in the pocket, lack of vision, and a desire to scramble too early.

All of these are related and compound one another.
 

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He doesn't move up in the pocket, and scrambles too early. When he scrambles he does not keep his eyes downfield and misses big play opportunities. Against defenses that can tackle (i.e. not Purdue) that is a recipe for 3rd and longs which is not a situation RL excels in.

And we don't know if he can even get the ball to the free WR 20 yds downfield on the rare occasion he sees him.
 

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I think if he decides to he has the arm strength to air out the ball. The pass that Greathouse clearly dropped was a beautiful pass and might have been the difference in the game and would have been a great confidence booster for RL. Greathouse as the self anointed alpha WR can’t drop that. Cant remember a worse and more important drop than that one in a long time. Almost as bad as the RL game ending Int.
 

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I think if he decides to he has the arm strength to air out the ball. The pass that Greathouse clearly dropped was a beautiful pass and might have been the difference in the game and would have been a great confidence booster for RL. Greathouse as the self anointed alpha WR can’t drop that. Cant remember a worse and more important drop than that one in a long time. Almost as bad as the RL game ending Int.
And coincidental or not, he’s seen very few reps since that inexcusable drop
 

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I mean where was the lie in his response?

Everyone agrees, the accuracy has to get better. Can he? He did it at Duke at the level we need, but I think missing half of last season and this spring really hurt his development. I’m not sure if he can but the offense play calls are getting better and more suited for him and the offense as a whole (see screenshot below). I’m pretty sure they have a leash on him and aren’t afraid to put Angeli in (should have in the NIU game).

There is no excuse why the offensive game plan was to drop Riley back to throw 32 times with 1 play action pass AND not running him once after the 2nd quarter in the NIU game.
The lie is in the omission (and refusal to acknowledge) other issues and that it's not ONLY accuracy. He also can't read or see the field. How many receivers have to run wide open pem before the media addresses that? It feels like they've conceded the accuracy thing, but have decided to draw a collective line there. It really feels like the media has something to lose by criticizing the player or the decision to not only go with him (despite all the reasons not to), but also stick with him.

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The lie is in the omission (and refusal to acknowledge) other issues and that it's not ONLY accuracy. He also can't read or see the field. How many receivers have to run wide open pem before the media addresses that? It feels like they've conceded the accuracy thing, but have decided to draw a collective line there. It really feels like the media has something to lose by criticizing the player or the decision to not only go with him (despite all the reasons not to), but also stick with him.

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Do you know how many instances someone is clearly wide open that the ball isn’t thrown? I think everyone is being quite hyperbolic with all of this.

We’re experiencing growing pains of the 5th starting qb in 5 years, 3rd OC in 3 years and a QB who didn’t get to play in the spring.

You know who else rarely went past their first read and loved to scramble? Ian Book. Granted he had more accuracy, but the majority of the fan base acts like we can never win another game with RL at QB and I’m quite over it. 99% of people have ZERO idea how to play QB and it’s very easy to Monday morning armchair it. That is not to single you out, just a general statement of people online.
 

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Do you know how many instances someone is clearly wide open that the ball isn’t thrown? I think everyone is being quite hyperbolic with all of this.

We’re experiencing growing pains of the 5th starting qb in 5 years, 3rd OC in 3 years and a QB who didn’t get to play in the spring.

You know who else rarely went past their first read and loved to scramble? Ian Book. Granted he had more accuracy, but the majority of the fan base acts like we can never win another game with RL at QB and I’m quite over it. 99% of people have ZERO idea how to play QB and it’s very easy to Monday morning armchair it. That is not to single you out, just a general statement of people online.
There is no shortage of 1st hand viewers as well as post-game analysis detailing how inept he has been at making the right read or seeing an open man. Not to mention he has happy feet to say the least. It's ok to admit that he's just not very good, and certainly not what he was made out to be. Potential 1st round talent? He's trending towards UDFA status at this point.

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THIS..................THIS FUCKING PLAY RIGHT HERE!

RL tucked it

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He was already scrambling and this is a broken play. This is MUCH different than the argument he isn’t seeing “everyone wide open” on straight drop backs.

He was missing open routes in the NIU game, which is why he should have been pulled and i stated that on my original reply.

The Purdue game was not that. The offensive game plan was much better and he executed at a high level. That is what Prister was saying and what I agree with.

The offensive being ran to fit his strengths may *hopefully* get him into a comfortable rhythm to start hitting the intermediate and deep throws that he was doing at Duke. That’s what we need and is my point.

The Purdue game was not the problem. Everyone is hung up on NIU and won’t move past it. We won’t know until Louisville unless you want 32 dropbacks with one play action again like NIU to lose to a MAC school.

Look what happened to Alabama last year after they stopped trying to force Milroe to drop straight back like Peyton Manning…

My point is he needs to improve and there was improvement with what appears to be an understanding by Denbrock of the offense as a whole’s strengths. If they can continue to build and get him comfortable and his accuracy back to his career clip, then we are in good shape.

If not, they can go to Angeli in game. Angeli didn’t win the job for a reason, but he’s a great “break in case of emergency” if we need him (as he should have been used in the NIU game).
 
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Once again a screenshot is misleading plus the extra one you posted literally shows safety help over the top, lmao
I remember this play live well. He was objectively wide open.




It wouldn't have taken much to dump it over the top to him. There was no safety help over the top. The second screenshot is also #11. He's at least 15 yards away from Love. Worst case scenario, he floats one out there, Love makes a basket catch and is tackled for first and goal. Best case, he actually makes a D1 level throw and leads him into the end zone.
 

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Watch the play again. I linked it.

The screenshots are sequencial. He is 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage looking down field. He saw Collins doubled and ran. Love is in his line of sight, where his route takes him, wide open, with his hand up.

That ball should be thrown by the QB of ND.
 

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It's 3rd and 5. He got the first down. The throw is still not as easy as you all are claiming, especially for RL. Love is wide open for a second before turning around and being rather flat footed. He misses that throw and you all are killing him for not taking the free first down in front of him.
 

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It's 3rd and 5. He got the first down. The throw is still not as easy as you all are claiming, especially for RL. Love is wide open for a second before turning around and being rather flat footed. He misses that throw and you all are killing him for not taking the free first down in front of him.
That's the point right there lol
 

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It's 3rd and 5. He got the first down. The throw is still not as easy as you all are claiming, especially for RL. Love is wide open for a second before turning around and being rather flat footed. He misses that throw and you all are killing him for not taking the free first down in front of him.
It's not a hard throw rolling to you throwing side.

The whole entire point was to show something other than is inaccuracies. He's late on throws too. I'm willing to put that to knowledge of the playbook, but RL isn't a dummy. Learn the plays.

He is getting paid $2m to come to ND and perform.
 

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looking into switching from IB to ISD finally and have a couple of questions. Is the Premium the go to or the varsity? Is the Varsity even worth it?
 

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Write off the 2 million and move on to one of our competent throwers. We already have rb’s for running the ball
No northern team can win a title without a qb that can run effectively. Even clemson had that with goldilocks.
 
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