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[Cackalacky2.0]

killing babies and smoking pot, the two saviors of the democratic party. #Merica

Personal freedom. GOP hates people making their own decisions.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Personal freedom. Weird innit.

“Pure democracy is no way to run this country” -Rick Santorum.

 

[Blazers46]

Personal freedom. Weird innit.

I’d love to have a convo of the personal freedoms of the baby or even the father but it would be as pointless as defending Israel… and I’d rather be in the sign stealing thread.

I’m okay with marijuana.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

“Pure democracy is no way to run this country” -Rick Santorum.

We're a Republic, though, bro.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I’d love to have a convo of the personal freedoms of the baby or even the father but it would be as pointless as defending Israel… and I’d rather be in the sign stealing thread.

Its a losing conversation. Always will be. The fascist GOP tried an end around to strip bodily autonomy away from women. Women are pissed. If you put abortion constitutionalizing on the ballot in every state it will win in every state. It is an extreme policy position to ban abortions. The GOP knows this which is why they are trying hard to pass state level laws with gerrymandered legislatures.

The simple answer is that if you dont want an abortion then dont get one. End Stop. If you are not married but in a relationship then you can convince your girl to not get one. Ultimately its her body and you cant tell her how to handle her body. Her rights trump yours as a genetic material contributor. I'd say a married couple will have a much more honest discussion about what to do and a married man would be willing to listen to his wife's needs much better.

 

[Blazers46]

Racial breakdown on the exit poll is interesting for abortion-

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Maybe killing black babies is the way to go to eliminate the single motherhood rate in America. Well played Democrats.

 

[Blazers46]

Its a losing conversation. Always will be. The fascist GOP tried an end around to strip bodily autonomy away from women. Women are pissed. If you put abortion constitutionalizing on the ballot in every state it will win in every state. It is an extreme policy position to ban abortions. The GOP knows this which is why they are trying hard to pass state level laws with gerrymandered legislatures.

The simple answer is that if you dont want an abortion then dont get one. End Stop. If you are not married but in a relationship then you can convince your girl to not get one. Ultimately its her body and you cant tell her how to handle her body. Her rights trump yours as a genetic material contributor. I'd say a married couple will have a much more honest discussion about what to do and a married man would be willing to listen to his wife's needs much better.

You make a good argument for men to skip out on child support. If I’m just a donor of material and have no choice in having a baby I should have the right to abort my rights as a parent. Personal freedoms.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Maybe killing black babies is the way to go to eliminate the single motherhood rate in America. Well played Democrats.

If you think black people and dems are the only ones getting abortions, I've got a island to sell you dirt cheap. lmao

Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF State Health Facts

State level data on Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence from KFF, the leading health policy organization in the U.S.

www.kff.org

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You make a good argument for men to skip out on child support. If I’m just a donor of material and have no choice in having a baby I should have the right to abort my rights as a parent. Personal freedoms.

Absolutely that would be your right until it isnt. If its aborted then you dont have a fiduciary responsibility. If she keeps it and its proven its yours then you do? Yes? So otherwise she wants to abort and you want to keep it you would be forcing her to carry to term and hand over to you at a minimum. This would only occur via legal means saying she HAS to do that and I think that's where your personal freedom stops and hers continues on.

 

[Irish#1]

Its a losing conversation. Always will be. The fascist GOP tried an end around to strip bodily autonomy away from women. Women are pissed. If you put abortion constitutionalizing on the ballot in every state it will win in every state. It is an extreme policy position to ban abortions. The GOP knows this which is why they are trying hard to pass state level laws with gerrymandered legislatures.

The simple answer is that if you dont want an abortion then dont get one. End Stop. If you are not married but in a relationship then you can convince your girl to not get one. Ultimately its her body and you cant tell her how to handle her body. Her rights trump yours as a genetic material contributor. I'd say a married couple will have a much more honest discussion about what to do and a married man would be willing to listen to his wife's needs much better.

I thought Repubs wanted to ban sex completely because you know, that when they're not protesting, those crazy Dems are fornicating all the time to build up their voter base.

 

[Irish#1]

Absolutely that would be your right until it isnt. If its aborted then you dont have a fiduciary responsibility. If she keeps it and its proven its yours then you do? Yes? So otherwise she wants to abort and you want to keep it you would be forcing her to carry to term and hand over to you at a minimum. This would only occur via legal means saying she HAS to do that and I think that's where your personal freedom stops and hers continues on.

If a man is willing to pay for the medical expenses and care of the woman during her pregnancy, then allows her to wave her rights after delivering so she has no obligations, how is she being harmed? The inconvenience of carrying the baby?

 

[Blazers46]

If you think black people and dems are the only ones getting abortions, I've got a island to sell you dirt cheap. lmao

Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF State Health Facts

State level data on Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence from KFF, the leading health policy organization in the U.S.

www.kff.org

And I’ve got a statistics class you should take

 

[GATTACA!]

I’d love to have a convo of the personal freedoms of the baby or even the father but it would be as pointless as defending Israel… and I’d rather be in the sign stealing thread.

I’m okay with marijuana.

Condoms, pull out, don’t fuck a chick that you’re not in a committed relationship with. Plenty of options for the father.

 

[Blazers46]

Absolutely that would be your right until it isnt. If its aborted then you dont have a fiduciary responsibility. If she keeps it and its proven it’s yours then you do? Yes? So otherwise she wants to abort and you want to keep it you would be forcing her to carry to term and hand over to you at a minimum. This would only occur via legal means saying she HAS to do that and I think that's where your personal freedom stops and hers continues on.

What about personal fweedoms? I’d love to have the same rights as women to mutilate my child so I don’t have that responsibility or for whatever reason I want. Why do women get that fweedom and not me?

 

[Blazers46]

Condoms, pull out, don’t fuck a chick that you’re not in a committed relationship with. Plenty of options for the father.

Preaching to the choir. In general Women have those same options… in those oops moments when I’d like to terminate that pregnancy personal freedoms say I should be able to chose, right? The dems have already made it abundantly clear every child belongs to the government anyway and it’s not really the parents child. If women can chose let’s let the men have a choice. We are all about equity, right?

 

[dublinirish]

I could never do that with my son. I have no desire to know what he is into. He certainly doesn’t want to know what I’m into. 😂

bro when i first moved to the states i remember going looking at houses to buy and we pulled up at once place and looking around went upstairs and noticed 3 bedrooms had no doors on them. The realtor had to explain to me that the family was religious but had three teenage boys lol those poor bastards

 

[GATTACA!]

Preaching to the choir. In general Women have those same options… in those oops moments when I’d like to terminate that pregnancy personal freedoms say I should be able to chose, right? The dems have already made it abundantly clear every child belongs to the government anyway and it’s not really the parents child. If women can chose let’s let the men have a choice. We are all about equity, right?

Who is the child inside of?

This isn't novel information or something you don't know going into your lovemaking. If this is something you want to avoid as a man you need to be more cautious than your female counterpart knowing that the decision is out of your hands at the point of no return.

 

[GATTACA!]

Or PIIHB!

How did I forget the best option??

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Preaching to the choir. In general Women have those same options… in those oops moments when I’d like to terminate that pregnancy personal freedoms say I should be able to chose, right? The dems have already made it abundantly clear every child belongs to the government anyway and it’s not really the parents child. If women can chose let’s let the men have a choice. We are all about equity, right?

Whose body is it in? So many canards and straw men in this one post. Bro...DEMS ARE NTO THE ONLY ONES GETTING ABORTIONS!!!!

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

And I’ve got a statistics class you should take

Such dismissal of facts. Much conservative.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If a man is willing to pay for the medical expenses and care of the woman during her pregnancy, then allows her to wave her rights after delivering so she has no obligations, how is she being harmed? The inconvenience of carrying the baby?

She isnt if she agrees to do it.... and ISNT FORCED TO. No one said if she agrees to it she isnt being inconvenienced.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I thought Repubs wanted to ban sex completely because you know, that when they're not protesting, those crazy Dems are fornicating all the time to build up their voter base.

Americans can have sex, just not if you are, a woman (unless a man says its ok), gay (immoral), trans (immoral and wtf), a racial minority (too much welfare) or illegal immigrants (anchor babies). That must be regulated or prohibited. So yeah...lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

bro when i first moved to the states i remember going looking at houses to buy and we pulled up at once place and looking around went upstairs and noticed 3 bedrooms had no doors on them. The realtor had to explain to me that the family was religious but had three teenage boys lol those poor bastards

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Wierd this happened in Mississippi. The one place MAGA had a successful night.



I’m looking for GOP heavy precincts that ran out of ballots in Mississippi last night and were unable to vote without someone telling them they couldn’t because of not enough ballots and it was too late. No luck so far.

 

[Irish#1]

She isnt if she agrees to do it.... and ISNT FORCED TO. No one said if she agrees to it she isnt being inconvenienced.

If the man wants the child, is willing to meet all obligations and, removes every burden for her (except carrying the baby), what is so terrible about her carrying the baby so it can be raised by its father? It takes two to tango.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Wierd this happened in Mississippi. The one place MAGA had a successful night.



I’m looking for GOP heavy precincts that ran out of ballots in Mississippi last night and were unable to vote without someone telling them they couldn’t because of not enough ballots and it was too late. No luck so far.

Successful in that they actually won. They didn't cover the spread. In the end, white folks decided their scandal plagued governor who was part of $77M stolen in welfare funds was better than the guy who ran on expanding Medicaid in the poorest, most unhealthy state that has about as more closed hospitals as any other.

There is absolutely zero excuse for this, yet somehow it is always something. Find a predominantly black precinct in the south on election day, and I'll find you the issue. Lack of ballots, no extension cords for voting machines, broken water pipe, whatever.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Lol at a dude asking what’s the big deal with carrying a baby and birthing it to satisfy said man’s wishes. 😂 “what’s the big deal?”

I guess it needs to be said that giving birth in America these days isn’t exactly “risk free for the woman”

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Glad we're all getting warmed up for Thanksgiving.

 

[Irish#1]

Lol at a dude asking what’s the big deal with carrying a baby and birthing it to satisfy said man’s wishes. 😂 “what’s the big deal?”

I guess it needs to be said that giving birth in America these days isn’t exactly “risk free for the woman”

Never said “what’s the big deal”, but I noticed you didn’t answer. Lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Never said “what’s the big deal”, but I noticed you didn’t answer. Lol

“What’s so terrible” about forcing a woman to have a child against her will…..so what’s the big deal?

I did answer it’s there. All the risk is with the woman. The man is risk free. Forcing a woman to give birth and carry a child has risks to her physically, or the child may harm the woman or it may be deformed and still born and then she has to carry a dead baby because abortion is illegal in the state she lives in or she could get septic or any number of issues which she can’t go seek help for across state lines because she could get arrested. What’s he big deal??? Literally every pregnancy has a risk to the mothers heath for nine months until the baby is out of her. Why is that so terrible … cmon man. That right there tells me everything. You think a woman is simply a piece of biological equipment to be at the mercy of a man. I’m racking my brain to think of some equivalent situation where a man would be forced to do something like this and it just doesn’t exist. It’s unique to women and their life experience and men will never know anything about this let alone having to go through it multiple times. Maybe there should be a law for men where every speed has to be accounted for and that requires invasive monitoring to ensure you don’t waste one single sperm. To waste your sperm is a felony. That’s as close as I can come to the burden it puts on women.

Forget about her own independence as well. She can just give up 9 months of her life and another three months recovering and trying to get her life back after giving away the baby she didn’t want in the first place. What’s so terrible about that? 😂 Meanwhile the dude is free…. Free and unburdened to continue his life as normal and totally able to get more pussy when he wants it because he ain’t hitting that shit again while she is pregnant and doesn’t want him near her. 😂. Bro…

I already posted there are three scenarios:
1. Unmarried man and unmarried woman have sex. Assume it’s consensual. Pregnancy occurs. Man doesn’t want it. She doesn’t want it. She gets an abortion. That is her right to do so as it’s her body. The man’s rights are irrelevant as he doesn’t want it. Or she lives in a state that doesn’t allow it and now she is forced to carry it.

2. Unmarried man and unmarried woman have sex. Assume it’s consensual. Preganacy occurs. Woman doesn’t want but the man does. She gets an abortion. That is her right to do so as it’s her body. The man’s rights end here and are still irrelevant. This where your scenario begins… what’s so terrible about it? Unless she lives in a state that bans it and she is forced to carry it to term. Again her bodily autonomy and agency has been taken away.

3. Married man and woman have sex and get pregnant. They can decide what to do because they both have legal agency in the matter. They would also be more apt to discuss and make a decision that. You agree with. It could be one wants it and another doesn’t (man or woman doesn’t matter) and this becomes an issue. In their marriage they have to deal with. Unless they live in a state that bans it and now the woman is forced to carry it to term whether she wants it or not.

Or she wants it, keeps it and doesn’t get an abortion and becomes a mother whether the male is involved or not. That’s it. That is all there is to it. Three scenarios that are influenced by the people in their own specific situations and their own personal decisions based on what’s best for them, mentally, physically and financially. Making that decision for them is against their rights as individual humans.

Now assume it’s non-consensual, rape, incestuous, underage,….and they are forced to carry this baby to term with no ability to cross state lines even if the mothers life is at risk or in emergency need of care due to being pregnant.

Further everyone always talks about the number of abortions in this country each year. Well the number of natural abortions but spontaneous abortions occur in nearly 30% of all pregnancies every year. The rate of elective abortion is now around 11-15% per 1000 women. 50% of all women can be expected to have at least one miscarriage otherwise known as a spontaneous abortion. After the first miscarriage their likelihood of another increases 46% and can present significant health risk the woman for various conditions. The risk of forcing a woman to carry a child poses significant risks to their health that a man just does not have to deal with or worry about.