Politics make strange bedfellows.
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I had a bigger issue with them claiming that because there is no existential threat (debatable) from players in the region, that somehow should mean that shouldn't hinder Israel from making a deal with the Palestinians for "peace". In reality, that fact is irrelevant. You have terrorists in close proximity that are plotting to kill Israeli's. Just because they can't defeat/destroy Israel doesn't mean those threats cause significant harms to any potential deal that could be made. Yes, I understand that Hamas doesn't represent all Palestinians. But from everything I've read, If there was an election in Gaza in 2021 or later, Hamas leaders would've won. They've indoctrinated a majority of the population. The terrorists have the support of the people.They did not call out Israel per se. They did spend a good amount of time being critical (rightfully so in my opinion) of Netanyahu. Those are two different things.
His government has been a complete disaster for Israel as well as the region and they pointed out that the latest events are a culmination of his blunders which included actively supporting Hamas as a strategy to keep Palestinians divided between Hamas and Fatah (who is non secular and recognizes the State of Israel btw).
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal fromwww.timesofisrael.com
As to “threats” to Israel, it is the only country in the region with nukes (I would count Pakistan as Asian) and has far and away the most military power along with the backing of the US making it the de facto super power in the region. What country/group in your opinion presents an existential threat to Israel given those circumstances?
Lastly, the two guests were advisors to Sanders which would imply they informed his opinions. Also, both are Jewish and have friends and family in the region on both sides. Waiving them off as simply parroting Sanders is lazy.
That… and while tough to grasp or swallow, could be true.
I’m not saying Hamas isn’t a “threat”. The success of what they pulled off has as much to do with Netanyahu’s blunders as anything and what they did is terrible.
I guess it depends on how one views it. Hamas as a threat, isn't at the same level as Israel in that they couldn't wipe out Israel within a short period of time, but I don't see Israel as one that is determined to wipe out a country either. If Hamas was wiped out, I could see Israel providing more aide to Palestinians. I don't think there will ever be peace in the ME.
They want to use them as shields and gain support from the public.
Goes back to the phrase they keep repeating. They love death as much as Israel loves life. Dying is not only a tool but in their religion it’s an honor. Win/win for them.
It's insane man. Taking a page out of the Obama book of killing people at funerals. The Israeli settler stuff is wild.
He’s not casting doubts on the persons death but the circumstances surrounding it. Multiple credible sources shared it but you shared the video from this particular account. Did you read her bio?
I did find an account of the incident in an Al Jazeera write up. Seems legit. Who knows. Initially it seemed like all the gunfire that is visible is of a guy just firing into the ground. Presumably to try to scare/warn the individuals to stop.
I've had family that are service men. I've heard them recount men they've lost and stories from Afghanistan and Iraq where women and children have been used as suicide bombers to get close for attacks. Radical Islamists have used ambulances and other deceptive means to carry out terrorism attacks, and if the attack is thwarted it's used as propaganda "They even attack our innocent doctors!" Death is tragic, but preventing further death is necessary. How do we know the funeral isn't a front for Hamas? How do we know in the clip everything is as they say?
Various Right Wing Israeli groups (many of whom now occupy positions in the the government) have been pretty clear in their desire in terms of eliminating Palestinians from what they consider greater Judea.
Agreed. I really believe everyone in here has their heart in the right place. I’d just remind everyone that everything you see now is to get an emotional reaction.
Preventing further death is absolutely my wish. Take Hamas out into the streets and execute them for being radical islamist fundamentalists with regressive ideas. BUT you absolutely can not commit huge atrocities on civilian's, because you will absolutely lay the ground work for further terror cells to develop. This can't be a controversial take.I've had family that are service men. I've heard them recount men they've lost and stories from Afghanistan and Iraq where women and children have been used as suicide bombers to get close for attacks. Radical Islamists have used ambulances and other deceptive means to carry out terrorism attacks, and if the attack is thwarted it's used as propaganda "They even attack our innocent doctors!" Death is tragic, but preventing further death is necessary. How do we know the funeral isn't a front for Hamas? How do we know in the clip everything is as they say?
Don't lecture me on being better, you're always so ivory tower. I simply called into question the context of a short video clip because I've seen and heard scenarios twisted in the past. I see two men that have guns fired in the ground near them. It isn't clear anyone dies, but again...the video is shaky and doesn't show everything. If it happened as it says then that's awful and tragic, and I have nothing more to say.
But yeah, that account doesn't spew propganda. How about you be better? Don't always be so gullible and question things once in awhile:
It’s all tragic and there’s going to be a lot more innocent people killed before it’s over. Unfortunately one side is irrational and has a total disregard for life. That leaves very few options for dealing with this.
Both sides are “irrational” at this point.
Holy fuck. We're doing this one again? I shared probably one or two tweets from the guy quite awhile ago, you're as bad as a wife! I had no idea who he was then, the tweet had to have come up in a trending topic or the algorithm because I don't follow him. Why a Jew would traffic with antisemites is questionable, got me there, makes no sense. I've seen stuff posted here from DailyKOS, the Intercept, Palmer Report, or worse by posters trying to pass them off as responsible journalists that aren't pushing propaganda. Lets not pretend anyone here is innocent.From what I’ve been able to deduce, this is the most logical explanation. The lives of Jews and Palestinians were sacrificed for this cause.