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Shocked, disappointed, mad, confused… yeah I’m all of those with the last 3 plays of the game
I am too, trust...all of that felt in the immediate aftermath...I was in the stands '05...but now, I refuse to sit with that same feeling longer than I need to. Numbness takes over now lol
 

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I am too, trust...all of that felt in the immediate aftermath...I was in the stands '05...but now, I refuse to sit with that same feeling longer than I need to. Numbness takes over now lol
My brain has moved on to coaching and I couldn’t stop it last night and early this morning from thinking how a coach and staff could make so many bad mistakes in one game
 

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Dime store coaching staff

10 men on the field two plays in a row. After a timeout.

That doesn't happen in high school.

3rd and 19 and they chocked on applesauce. It could have been 3rd and 29 and they would have given it up.
 

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Haven't posted for many months just not much to say -now i will- this coach (great man and wonderful recruiter that he is) is not an elite game day coach and Notre Dame deserves a great game day coach. That's the first time since the Holtz era that Notre Dame was actually better than a top 4/6 opponent and they still managed to get beat. I really feel empathy for those players they played one %$#@!& game against a quality opponent and still lost. Play hard attention to detail and see what you can do the rest of the way-Clemson and southern cal are toss up games and the rest of the schedule is not automatic -buckle up.
 

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Dime store coaching staff

10 men on the field two plays in a row. After a timeout.

That doesn't happen in high school.

3rd and 19 and they chocked on applesauce. It could have been 3rd and 29 and they would have given it up.
That’s why ND isn’t an elite program. Elite programs win those games, which is what OSU did.
 

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Re-watched the last four minutes because I'm a masochist. We had SO many chances to put this away.

But...

Hartman getting too cute on the handoff/keep option and losing five yards instead of giving it to Love who probably at least gets a couple of yards.
Fisher letting JTT get his hands up to deflect the screen pass, which was a good call after we'd gotten behind the chains, but stopped the clock.
Bertrand false starting on the punt for some reason, gave them five yards.
With about 50 seconds left we had them at 4th and 7, and their third WR got a step on Harper on a crossing route and got the first down by about a foot.
The 20-yard pass to Harrison was one of the few times we let him run free all night.
Brown's missed INT.
The pass to Harrison that Morrison defended in the end zone that hit him in the belly. With a little luck he lands with the ball.
Whatever the fuck Henderson and Hart were doing on the 3rd and 19.
Brown alllmost got him down on the final play. Obviously a 260-pound body in the way would have affected things.

Any of those plays goes differently (except maybe Bertrand's false start) and we win.

Also we used our last two time outs on defense in the final minute, which means that even if someone had realized we only had 10 men on the field it was harder to hit the brakes.

FWIW, the broadcasters didn't notice we only had 10 guys. They keep saying "all of Notre Dame's defenders were on the other side."
 

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That’s why ND isn’t an elite program. Elite programs win those games, which is what OSU did.

That's pretty much it. The big programs bring this win home. QB in his 4th game and he carves us up like a jack o lantern.

I understand that ND hasn't beaten OSU since 1936. I think that's the year Hitler invaded Poland. Wow.
 

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All the emotion aside, it is Freeman's second year. We have seen improvement in recruiting, and both sides of the ball. Have there been mistakes sure but there has also been progress. MFMF is a young coach doing some learning on the job. I'm happy with his attitude and the direction. Things like time management and playing with ten guys are maddening mistakes but part of the learning process. Rome wasn't but in a day
 

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That's pretty much it. The big programs bring this win home. QB in his 4th game and he carves us up like a jack o lantern.

I understand that ND hasn't beaten OSU since 1936. I think that's the year Hitler invaded Poland. Wow.
240 yards.

I liked it better when you had that picture of "sloth" from the Goonies it really completed the entire "Sea Turtle" experience.
 

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Zero snaps for Jaden Mickey is unacceptable and you are getting no production out of your young DL guys. Either bring in transfers or start recruiting guys that don’t take 3-4 years to develop
 
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Zero snaps for Jaden Mickey is unacceptable and you are getting no production out of you get DL guys. Either bring in transfers or start recruiting guys that don’t take 3-4 years to develop
Our starting 11 nickel package barely came off the field.
Hart, Watts and Bertrand played every snap. Morrison, Brown, Cross and JJB all but a handful. Given the caliber of opponent and how well they played I don't really have a problem with it. But I do wonder if more rotation on the DL would've helped the pass rush because fresher legs.
 

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Our starting 11 nickel package barely came off the field.
Hart, Watts and Bertrand played every snap. Morrison, Brown, Cross and JJB all but a handful. Given the caliber of opponent and how well they played I don't really have a problem with it. But I do wonder if more rotation on the DL would've helped the pass rush because fresher legs.

My problem is Henderson got putin for a critical coverage moment and he can’t cover
 

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Our starting 11 nickel package barely came off the field.
Hart, Watts and Bertrand played every snap. Morrison, Brown, Cross and JJB all but a handful. Given the caliber of opponent and how well they played I don't really have a problem with it. But I do wonder if more rotation on the DL would've helped the pass rush because fresher legs.

That's the problem they barley came off the field we need and should be playing a bunch of guys. Mickey played a ton last year, also Bertrand should never be one on one with a RB.
 

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I guess my point is if you are gonna recruit and Tyson Ford or Onye they should be able to contribute by their Sophmore/Junior years or else stop taking developmental guys who waste a scholarship. Ideally we should have 12 guys we feel good about rotating on the DL and 8-10 DB's
 

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I guess my point is if you are gonna recruit and Tyson Ford or Onye they should be able to contribute by their Sophmore/Junior years or else stop taking developmental guys who waste a scholarship. Ideally we should have 12 guys we feel good about rotating on the DL and 8-10 DB's
Sure. I generally agree, especially on the DL. I will say though in a close game like that, with the talent Ohio State runs out there, I understand why you'd go with your best 11 as much as possible. Like, I'm not sure I risk taking out Hart or Morrison just to give Mickey some reps.
It also wasn't a high-snap count game or particularly hot out either. I don't think we had any injuries on defense. Etc.
 

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My problem is Henderson got putin for a critical coverage moment and he can’t cover
Considering he literally was in position for two potential ints I’ll disagree. He was in position but execution did not occur..... seems like that happened a lot on both sides of the ball. I'd hazard to say an honest assessment from Day would reveal the same about his team disregarding the complete Irish coaching melt down in the last 4 minutes of the game. Two evenly matched teams comes down to execution.
 
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Monday morning. Yep, still sick. I live in Ohio and have some meetings all day. Should be a helluva fun day.
 

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Wrong

There’s like 8 coaches in the booth and each position coach and the head coach and the coordinator and the players that know who should be on the field for each call
You forgot the student section and the band.
 

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That's pretty much it. The big programs bring this win home. QB in his 4th game and he carves us up like a jack o lantern.

I understand that ND hasn't beaten OSU since 1936. I think that's the year Hitler invaded Poland. Wow.
That was 1939. WOW!
 

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Sure. I generally agree, especially on the DL. I will say though in a close game like that, with the talent Ohio State runs out there, I understand why you'd go with your best 11 as much as possible. Like, I'm not sure I risk taking out Hart or Morrison just to give Mickey some reps.
It also wasn't a high-snap count game or particularly hot out either. I don't think we had any injuries on defense. Etc.
Maybe that's the problem last year we let Ohio State Score their last 2 drives did we get tired out?
 

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Zero snaps for Jaden Mickey is unacceptable and you are getting no production out of your young DL guys. Either bring in transfers or start recruiting guys that don’t take 3-4 years to develop
Is it? I've moved on from the Jaden Mickey hype. Everytime we see him it's a hold/PI, or he's animated at himself that he got beat.
 

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Our starting 11 nickel package barely came off the field.
Hart, Watts and Bertrand played every snap. Morrison, Brown, Cross and JJB all but a handful. Given the caliber of opponent and how well they played I don't really have a problem with it. But I do wonder if more rotation on the DL would've helped the pass rush because fresher legs.

wow.
 

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Postgame Thoughts:
1) ND lost by 3, not 33. The meltdown mode that some posters go into...
2) ND should've closed this game out at 4:32 in the 4th qtr. and they didn't
3) ND should've stopped Ohio St. on 3-19 and they didn't
4) Hartman didn't play his best, but Hartman kept ND in this game
5) I am really liking the combo of Estime/Love at running back- Estime is a bulldozing RB and Love is a shifty RB
6) Freeman has talked about how Shrader has got a leg, he does for kickoffs, 3-7 on field goals so far will need to improve
7) ND gave McCord too much time in the pocket
8) We've gotten 2 '25 commits since the game so far, the recruits are buying in
9) Freeman said it perfect in his postgame interview, ND didn't execute, OSU did
10) Duke was a trap game for me this season, ND can't be a letdown

Go Irish!!
1) It's how they lost that has people up in arms
2) Yes, and why didn't they? That analysis is key. Learning from it and never letting it happen again is even more important.
3) Brutal defensive scheme on those last plays. Just totally unacceptable to play soft coverage there.
4) Hartman wasn't given a whole lot of chances to show what he can do. He's a huge asset to this team, and I don't feel like Parker schemed the offense show that.
5) Estime and Love are proving to be the top two. So why was Estime not in at the end to close the game out? Why did we get cute? I've lost two nights of sleep over that. For what it's worth, JDP and Payne have a nice complimentary role as well. I don't mind them getting work but not at the expense of Estime's touches when ND needs to be running out the clock to secure a win. RTDB, Parker! That's basic football 101. Protect the lead, lean on the run game, get the first down, run out the clock, force opposing teams to use timeouts.
6) Shrader is a liability. BUT....Freeman seems to have an identity crisis going on. He talks about being aggressive and playing to win, but in the first half he had 25 seconds left and two timeouts. He has Sam MF Hartman at QB and a kicker with alleged 60 yard range. Why not try and get 3 points before half?
7) ND needs to start manufacturing some sacks. But their pressure rate isn't terrible, is it? They 100% need to finish tackling better. They're awful at that.
8) Keep 'em coming.
9) The coaches failed their players in this game. Yes, there are some key moments where the players didn't execute and you can't have that. But this loss is on the coaches.
10) Duke is not a trap game. It's a real test. ND better come ready and not be hungover.

All the emotion aside, it is Freeman's second year. We have seen improvement in recruiting, and both sides of the ball. Have there been mistakes sure but there has also been progress. MFMF is a young coach doing some learning on the job. I'm happy with his attitude and the direction. Things like time management and playing with ten guys are maddening mistakes but part of the learning process. Rome wasn't but in a day

My one gleam of hope at the moment is that in Freeman's young HC career he's had some huge program moments that just fell short. If he can correct some of these mistakes and continue to grow, ND will be just fine. He's gone toe-to-toe with OSU twice now. For better or worse, the outcomes aren't what we want, but very few teams can hang with OSU like ND has under Freeman. He also beat the will to live out of Clemson last year with a JV level QB. Notre Dame cannot be in the position to beat itself. He needs to fix that and a lot of this will correct itself.
 

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Our starting 11 nickel package barely came off the field.
Hart, Watts and Bertrand played every snap. Morrison, Brown, Cross and JJB all but a handful. Given the caliber of opponent and how well they played I don't really have a problem with it. But I do wonder if more rotation on the DL would've helped the pass rush because fresher legs.

Ohio State had 30 second half offensive snaps. Half of those were on the final drive. We probably started getting gassed the final drive, but I doubt you're bringing in new people all of a sudden on that drive. We held the ball the entire second half. Why onye wasn't in earlier, no clue. Why we can't have someone better than henderson in on dime packages, no clue.
 

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I guess my point is if you are gonna recruit and Tyson Ford or Onye they should be able to contribute by their Sophmore/Junior years or else stop taking developmental guys who waste a scholarship. Ideally we should have 12 guys we feel good about rotating on the DL and 8-10 DB's
onye was a huge project, but tyson ford was supposed to be ready by now, at least most thought.

I agree with not playing, NANA, he's not good. I hope tyson ford can take his snaps.
 

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Considering he literally was in position for two potential ints I’ll disagree. He was in position but execution did not occur..... seems like that happened a lot on both sides of the ball. I'd hazard to say an honest assessment from Day would reveal the same about his team disregarding the complete Irish coaching melt down in the last 4 minutes of the game. Two evenly matched teams comes down to execution.
what picks did henderson almost have. Brown was the one put in position to make them, not henderson. Henderson wasn't even close.
 
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