ND- OSU post game thread

[Irishdrunk]

we’ll learn a lot about freeman next week. A dominant win and we can start thinking about playoffs again and talk about how he quickly improves and fixes mistakes

Or the complete opposite, a loss, and this season is in Jeopardy of spiraling, and we’ll most likely know he won’t be “it”. Can’t lose 2 games in a row 2 years in a row in season.

We’re not set up to be as good as this year over the next two years, saving grace will probably be an easier schedule though

And why did we hire a HC with ZERO Experience? Time to call Urban........

 

[irishff1014]

Morning after thoughts: ND is SOFT

1. Hartman lost two 4th Downs. On 4th down you have to make sure. First drive you gotta know where the ball is and can’t be afraid of contact there. Second he seem scared to just drive into the line and bounced all over. Soft and not smart.

2. Run the damn ball. We left them with time AND a timeout. Coaching was awful but the execution was even worse. ND dropped a potential game ender but OSU guy dropped a screen pass.

3. DLine looked awful and pass rush was awful. Even when they got there McCord was able to stay up and throw the ball away.

4. Can’t tackle. Like historically bad and almost leading the NCAA in missed tackles is the epitome of soft.

5. 10 guys on the field. No excuse. I’d rather Freeman say they didn’t know but he did. Just makes it sting more.

6. They need to play angry. They need take a page from Deion and just get offended the other team showed up. No flash, no fight… not saying go all in on the Deion model but his kids aren’t soft.

7. Hartman ain’t it. He’s above average and what we thought we needed to win these types of games. He needs more swagger and confidence and a chip on his shoulder. He’s just going through the motions.

8. Estime. He’s great. Too many twinkle toes moments. He’s a bruiser that hesitates and thinks he’s Barry Sanders sometimes.

ND historically loses these games. They did what I thought they would. 💔

You are a complete idiot. Of all the thing you could bitch about being soft isn’t one. We were right there I. Endurance and toughness.

Coaches and execution is why we lost.

 

[NDQuebec]

No way was Hartman tremendous. He got 4 more points than Buchner and Rees on the road with horrible line play. Hartman was almost untouched and that was the best Hartman could do. Pyne might have been able to do what he did. He didn’t use his legs to do one thing for us tonight. Actually the opposite with his 4th and one bad efforts.

I think that you have to take into account the receiving core and Ohio State's secondary. So far this year, no receiver has stepped up to become the alpha dog. They continue to struggle to get separation. It's hard to judge on tv if that was the case in this game but I suspect it was.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Freeman and team need to apologize to Lou… everything Lou said about osu was accurate, and nd was dominating the lines to end the game then the staff on O and D went full moron and handed the game to osu.

Osu was physically soft but mentally tough enough to win, our staff and some players aren’t ready, they need to be identified and moved on from. We all know who they are

 

[Irishdrunk]

Freeman and team need to apologize to Lou… everything Lou said about osu was accurate, and nd was dominating the lines to end the game then the staff on O and D went full moron and handed the game to osu.

Osu was physically soft but mentally tough enough to win, our staff and some players aren’t ready, they need to be identified and moved on from. We all know who they are

Freeman came off as a bumbling idiot in the press conference. The last 2 Plays were not properly personnelled with 11 players. And why not take a penalty? What an idiotic response. Coming off as a total Noob. Take the responsibility....very BKish.

 

[PutuporShutup]

And why did we hire a HC with ZERO Experience? Time to call Urban........

You can hire a HC with little experience if you have baller coordinators and staff around him, we don’t. Golden and Parker are ok, Washington is terrible, stuckey might be bad too, our wrs aren’t developing.

 

[Giddyup]

I was proud of the running game in the second half

 

[Grahambo]

Freeman came off as a bumbling idiot in the press conference. The last 2 Plays were not properly personnelled with 11 players. And why not take a penalty? What an idiotic response. Coming off as a total Noob. Take the responsibility....very BKish.

Disagree with the bumbling idiot part. I think he was trying not to throw anyone under the bus and in doing so, you don’t come off well because it sounds incoherent, at best.

Nevertheless, he deserves a ton of criticism.

 

[irishff1014]

I was proud of the running game in the second half

The offense made changes which is good to see until 4 mins left in the 4th.

 

[Irishdrunk]

You can hire a HC with little experience if you have baller coordinators and staff around him, we don’t. Golden and Parker are ok, Washington is terrible, stuckey might be bad too, our wrs aren’t developing.

Well we could have had Utah's OC....but Savvy Jack flinched up due to money..... ah the ND Way.

 

[stpeteirish]

A lot had to go wrong for Notre Dame to lose this game, and it did. Freeman and both coordinators were terrible when all they had to be was literally anything less than not terrible.

That said, if we take a step back and look at things from a macro level I think we may need to simply accept this as a growing pain. To be clear, I am not talking about moral victories. F*** that s***. What I'm talking about is the reality of the situation which is this: we hired a completely green head coach who really didn't even have much coordinating experience. And we're not talking about learning the job at the FCS level or even G5. We're talking about learning the job on the biggest stage, under the brightest lights, Notre dame.

I think we can safely say that this team is better than it was last year. We have seen Freeman correct the mistakes from then. That's called progress. And it sure as hell beats watching Brian Kelly Make the same mistakes year in and year out for the majority of 10+ seasons. It's very promising when viewed through that lens.

Last night I made a post, sort of tongue-in-cheek, asking when we would stop Clemsoning. But now that I think about it, I think we might very well be well ahead of schedule. Swinney was hired halfway through the 2008 season. Clemson didn't win their first ACC title under him until 3 years later. It wasn't until another 5 years after that that they won their first national championship. Every year they got a little bit better under him, and every year there were some head scratchers. But bottom line - the team and the program kept getting better each and every year until finally they landed a few elite quarterbacks in a row. Sound familiar?

What happened last night is unforgivable. I'm sure Freeman, of all people, would admit as much. I'm also sure that we will probably never see anything like that happen so long as he is at the helm again. Last night was a gut punch, but let's see how we come out next week. If Freeman can channel this and refocus the team I could see the season ending very well. A chance of redemption against the USC. A chance to show that last year's game against Clemson wasn't an anomaly. Maybe even a chance to get that "NY6" bowl game monkey off our back. Who knows. I just want to continue to see progress. I'll take the lessons learned along the way so long as the trajectory is up...

Agree with most of what you said but your last paragraph is bullshit. Freeman defended his end of game strategy in his post game presser. If he’s in denial about his failures he ain’t fixing what’s wrong.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Defense needs to expedite Carter’s safety development because brown and Henderson clearly are not it… watts didn’t play great but at least he’s capable, he still needs to improve.

Teams have no reason to challenge our corners because our coverage up the middle is so soft

 

[Blazers46]

You are a complete idiot. Of all the thing you could bitch about being soft isn’t one. We were right there I. Endurance and toughness.

Coaches and execution is why we lost.

Ohio State is soft. We did not execute because of that softness. Michigan would beat both of those teams last night by 30.

 

[RipWheeler]

I hate ESPN, but even a turd like Rittenburg saw the same things we did…

 

[bobbyok1]

You have the order wrong. It was TO, incomplete pass with 10, TD run with 10.

Correct. And still a fireable offense

 

[stlnd01]

It's weird/hard because for the first time in a long time we played an elite team and it felt like we were just top to bottom the better team. And yet here we are.

 

[IrishLax]

360 yards of offense on 7 real drives is actually quite good. The lack of points was an issue with execution and coaching. ND did not have a problem running the ball, as shown in the second half, and in retrospect they came out too pass happy.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I just wanted to drop by and make two comments and ask one question.

1. This one really stings and hurts. Not as bad as USC 2005, but close. It’s going to be hard for me to getup for Duke Saturday and I can’t imagine for the players.

2. Ryan Day is a piece of shit*

Why did it seem like Tyree was never on the field? They couldn’t attempt at least one deep ball to Tyree down the middle of the field? And Holden Staes they didn’t want him to run down the seam instead of Evans? IDK

 

[stlnd01]

360 yards of offense on 7 real drives is actually quite good. The lack of points was an issue with execution and coaching. ND did not have a problem running the ball, as shown in the second half, and in retrospect they came out too pass happy.

We moved the ball quite well. We just didn't put it in the end zone. Getting stopped on fourth down twice and missing a field goal mattered at least as much as what happened at the end.

 

[IrishTusker]

Run the ball.

You have to run the ball every play on the last offensive series. Sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer. You aren't trying to score a TD there, you are playing to win the game. It's probably true that with one more run we win. We at least make them use their TOs and run more clock, but we also might convert and end the game there.

Also, the way the loss happened -more or less, coaching mistakes- could ruin Freeman's coaching tenure at ND. It was that bad. The 10 players thing is important more because it is such an obvious, bizarre mistake in that spot. (The game should never have come down to that if the defense makes a play on 4th & 7 or 3rd & 19, or if we run the ball on the previous series as mentioned above.) I hope this is a learning moment, or whatever, like the ones Dabo Swinney and Kirby Smart had. But we could look back at this as the most memorable game of the Freeman era, depending on what happens next.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I forgot one last thing. OSU DE JTT didn’t do much in this game…but he made the one play that won them the game. If JTT doesn’t tip that pass JD Price runs in for a TD on that screen. ND is up 21-10 and the game is over. Go watch the play if you don’t believe me.

 

[MacIrish75]

And why did we hire a HC with ZERO Experience? Time to call Urban........

Dan Dakich, is that you??

 

[Irish4life]

 

[stlnd01]

I forgot one last thing. OSU DE JTT didn’t do much in this game…but he made the one play that won them the game. If JTT doesn’t tip that pass JD Price runs in for a TD on that screen. ND is up 21-10 and the game is over. Go watch the play if you don’t believe me.

JTT blew up that play and the play before where Hartman ate a sack rather than risk a fumble because he was in on the RB so fast. He didn't do much all game until he single-handedly got them the ball back with time to score.

 

[IrishLax]

Some positives:
1. Love is going to be a dude

2. BenMo is currently a dude and a half

3. Mitchell Evans made some baller plays

 

[IrishTusker]

I forgot one last thing. OSU DE JTT didn’t do much in this game…but he made the one play that won them the game. If JTT doesn’t tip that pass JD Price runs in for a TD on that screen. ND is up 21-10 and the game is over. Go watch the play if you don’t believe me.

This is why you run the ball there. If you throw, 2/3 things that can happen are bad (pick, incompletion).

 

[PutuporShutup]

This game was set up to be just like last year except with nd pulling away… crazy how similar the two games are and should have finished but nd crapped the bed when they started dominating

 

[IrishSpartan]

Some positives:
1. Love is going to be a dude

2. BenMo is currently a dude and a half

3. Mitchell Evans made some baller plays

Is it me or does love run too high

 

[Sherm Sticky]

JTT blew up that play and the play before where Hartman ate a sack rather than risk a fumble because he was in on the RB so fast. He didn't do much all game until he single-handedly got them the ball back with time to score.

💯 That’s what a 5 star player on defense does and ND just doesn’t have that 5 star Alpha

 

[PutuporShutup]

Is it me or does love run too high

Of course he does, he’s tall so it won’t ever be great…. He just is still improving vision, he sometimes doesn’t see the tacklers and gets rocked