Trump Alternatives

[RDU Irish]

Eww stop making me like you Chris.

If this stay puft blimp wants to talk about his prosecutor days, tell me how you fought corruption and how Biden is corrupt AF. All this proves is that he is a the MSDNC candidate in the Republican primary. He has nothing to say on Biden or any other corrupt democrats, nothing about cleaning up the DOJ/FBI, he wants to throw everyone in jail he doesn't like and deport 1/10th of the population. TDS candidate which is why Dems like you think he is great.

 

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If this stay puft blimp wants to talk about his prosecutor days, tell me how you fought corruption and how Biden is corrupt AF. All this proves is that he is a the MSDNC candidate in the Republican primary. He has nothing to say on Biden or any other corrupt democrats, nothing about cleaning up the DOJ/FBI, he wants to throw everyone in jail he doesn't like and deport 1/10th of the population. TDS candidate which is why Dems like you think he is great.

Lol Dems like me.

Yes me, the registered republican who has voted for a grand total of 1 democrat in my entire life. Just shows how out of touch you Trump bootlickers are. Even the hint of common sense dissension from your grifter scumbag treasonist is enough to be disqualifying.

 

[NDMatt91]

Lol Dems like me.

Yes me, the registered republican who has voted for a grand total of 1 democrat in my entire life. Just shows how out of touch you Trump bootlickers are. Even the hint of common sense dissension from your grifter scumbag treasonist is enough to be disqualifying.

I don't wish death on anyone, but if Trump died in his sleep the GOP (and the country) would be better off.

 

[NorthDakota]

It’s kinda funny to think about how badly Nikki Haley would just destroy Joe Biden. Electoral college landslide with probably 52-53% of the popular vote.

I think a few of them would have a shot at that. Biden is....well...yeah

But.. there is this whole wing of the GOP that really wants to lose again. Some even admit they don't care if he loses.

 

[Irish#1]

Who articulated clearer views? Politicians contort themselves to avoid clear views on anything.

His stance on the border and cartels is by far the strongest and most passionate. Son of legal immigrants gives him cover white men with white hair don't have. Why none of the establishment can understand this is a winning bi-partisan issue is just mind numbingly frustrating. Same with the anti-neocon stance. Infinite dollars for Ukraine is not popular in flyover country. Who on that stage decisively opposes blank checks to Ukraine?

From his campaign site -

• Use our military to annihilate Mexican drug cartels: defend against the CCP’s opium war
• End civil service protections for bureaucrats: 8-year term limits instead
• Use the military, including drones, to secure our southern border
• Eliminate federal employee unions: repeal JFK’s executive order 10988
• Move >75% of federal employees out of Washington D.C. & end pro-lazy “remote work” option
• Cut wasteful expenditures: White House, not individual agencies, will submit budget requests to Congress
• Pardon defendants of politicized prosecutions: Trump, Mackey, and peaceful Jan 6 protesters
• Hold Congress accountable for “hush money” fund: taxpayers should not subsidize sexual misconduct
• Publish the Jeffrey Epstein client list: government should not use police power to shield select elites
• Rescind Biden’s ESG rule for retirement funds: get politics out of corporate America and capital markets
• Oppose CBDCs: fight all plans for digital currency, a dangerous scheme for government control over our bank accounts
• Protect American children: ban addictive social media under age 16 & gender confusion “care” for minors
• Make political expression a civil right & end unlawful DEI indoctrination
• Withhold federal funding for cities that refuse to protect Americans from violent crime

I would say that's pretty clear. Doubt any other candidate would venture that deep in the woods.

As far as candidates, I think most any of them would beat Biden.

Did they draw to see who got what podium?

 

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I would say that's pretty clear. Doubt any other candidate would venture that deep in the woods.

As far as candidates, I think most any of them would beat Biden.

Did they draw to see who got what podium?

No it was ordered by polling position. Highest in the middle.

 

[NDMatt91]

I think a few of them would have a shot at that. Biden is....well...yeah

But.. there is this whole wing of the GOP that really wants to lose again. Some even admit they don't care if he loses.

DeSantis said a few months ago that there's a culture of losing in the GOP. He's correct. We saw that in 2022 when GOP primary voters decided to give nominations to bad General Election candidates and many of them, particularly in swing areas, lost in November. Maybe it takes another Trump loss for this portion of GOP primary voters to take the hint?

 

[NorthDakota]

DeSantis said a few months ago that there's a culture of losing in the GOP. He's correct. We saw that in 2022 when GOP primary voters decided to give nominations to bad General Election candidates and many of them, particularly in swing areas, lost in November. Maybe it takes another Trump loss for this portion of GOP primary voters to take the hint?

I hope it isn't the case but we'll see.

I have seen polling in IA and NH that has Trump at like 40% and 30% respectively. So I'm hoping that sorta indicates that people are getting more serious as their state's primaries approach and they see candidates more.

 

[RDU Irish]

DeSantis said a few months ago that there's a culture of losing in the GOP. He's correct. We saw that in 2022 when GOP primary voters decided to give nominations to bad General Election candidates and many of them, particularly in swing areas, lost in November. Maybe it takes another Trump loss for this portion of GOP primary voters to take the hint?

McCain, Dole and Romney say "hi". Hell even GW Bush is horribly moderate and barely beat Gore and only got 286 EVs against one of the most liberal Senators in John Kerry. This playing not to lose bullshit is exactly right. Stand FOR something instead of just against that other guy. Just like Desantis limp dick hand raising as he looks down the line. The only thing Republicans clearly support is war - who other than Trump and Vivek are clearly anti war?

Abortion is such a great example of how Republicans love to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Not a single person last night put that on Congress. "I'll gladly sign whatever bill Congress can pass. 15 week ban has 70% bi-partisan support amongst Americans, lets start there and if states want to go to 6 weeks I'll high five them on it." Instead they screech like harpies at each other on how they would rather lose on moral high ground or not win b/c they nobody trusts their condition laden mealy mouthed support or look like pussies punting the whole thing to states.

 

[NDMatt91]

McCain, Dole and Romney say "hi". Hell even GW Bush is horribly moderate and barely beat Gore and only got 286 EVs against one of the most liberal Senators in John Kerry. This playing not to lose bullshit is exactly right. Stand FOR something instead of just against that other guy. Just like Desantis limp dick hand raising as he looks down the line. The only thing Republicans clearly support is war - who other than Trump and Vivek are clearly anti war?

Abortion is such a great example of how Republicans love to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Not a single person last night put that on Congress. "I'll gladly sign whatever bill Congress can pass. 15 week ban has 70% bi-partisan support amongst Americans, lets start there and if states want to go to 6 weeks I'll high five them on it." Instead they screech like harpies at each other on how they would rather lose on moral high ground or not win b/c they nobody trusts their condition laden mealy mouthed support or look like pussies punting the whole thing to states.

McCain was screwed no matter what because no Republican was going to win in 2008 because of Bush, the economy, and the Iraq War.

Dole had to go up against a popular incumbent and had to contend with a spoiler (Perot) who took away millions of his votes.

Romney won the primary against a mediocre field and went up against an incumbent. Incumbents pretty much only lose unless they have to contend against a spoiler or are disliked or hated.

Bush underperformed in 2004 because of the Iraq War. Had Iraq never happened it would've been a landslide and he probably gets 53%+ of the Popular Vote instead of 51%.

 

[RDU Irish]

McCain was screwed no matter what because no Republican was going to win in 2008 because of Bush, the economy, and the Iraq War.

Dole had to go up against a popular incumbent and had to contend with a spoiler (Perot) who took away millions of his votes.

Romney won the primary against a mediocre field and went up against an incumbent. Incumbents pretty much only lose unless they have to contend against a spoiler or are disliked or hated.

Bush underperformed in 2004 because of the Iraq War. Had Iraq never happened it would've been a landslide and he probably gets 53%+ of the Popular Vote instead of 51%.

Excuses. Perot got burn b/c establishment Rs suck. Dole was a stiff and never put up much of a fight playing too nice. Actually a funny guy but came off a complete stiff. Total establishment lackey.

Romney was the most qualified, middle of the road candidate you could produce out of central casting. He couldn't even make it competitive against the most divisive President in history . He is harder on Trump now than he was Obama as a candidate. Romney's shitty campaign hung Congress out to dry.

Bush kind of made the Iraq War a thing - so war hawking Rs losing support over being war hawking Rs is proving my own point that these neo-cons are bad for the party. John - bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb Iran McCain was an economic illiterate RINO who loved war - way to read the room RNC! What a great counter to the economy and war fatigue!

Trump is Ross Perot hijacking a Republican primary instead of running independent. Both sides hate him which is why a large swath of the country loves him. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Nobody other than the outsider is taking the winning policy and running with it.

Trump isn't saying a peep on school choice. He has not indicated any plan for dismantling or reforming the FBI, DOJ and CIA. He does not expand on immigration policy beyond "build a wall". He does not provide a path forward, just opposition to status quo. For some that is enough - for the RNC, they just want their status quo back.

 

[Irish#1]

Perot was ahead of his time. No one was ready for an outsider when he ran.

 

[NDMatt91]

Perot was ahead of his time. No one was ready for an outsider when he ran.

He was leading in the polls in the summer of 1992. I wonder what would've happened if he didn't temporarily drop out of the race.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Perot was ahead of his time. No one was ready for an outsider when he ran.

Agreed. I suspect the 2 political parties were caught off guard and afterwards colluded to ensure an outsider like Perot who isn’t in one of the 2 parties never is able to break through again. That’s probably one of the few topics that both Dems & Reps can agree to work together on.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

He was leading in the polls in the summer of 1992. I wonder what would've happened if he didn't temporarily dropped out of the race.

Perot prevented Clinton from getting over 50% of the vote…I believe in both the ‘92 & ‘96 elections.

 

[NorthDakota]

Ron's PAC's latest Iowa poll. Grain of salt. But a new data point to consider

 

[drayer54]

Ron's PAC's latest Iowa poll. Grain of salt. But a new data point to consider

Trump being too lazy to debate is not going to help. Haley/DeSantis looked like the best two on the stage. Not shocked if true.

 

[GATTACA!]

Ron's PAC's latest Iowa poll. Grain of salt. But a new data point to consider

Bullshit lol. No way 7% of people watched that performance and decided to switch to Desantis. I’d believe it if he was -7%.

 

[NorthDakota]

Bullshit lol. No way 7% of people watched that performance and decided to switch to Desantis. I’d believe it if he was -7%.

I dont think it requires people to "switch" per se. Might just be be people tuning in to primary season. This whole time there has been a very big group of people not paying attention and/or being undecided.

 

[RDU Irish]

Perot prevented Clinton from getting over 50% of the vote…I believe in both the ‘92 & ‘96 elections.

I thought consensus was Perot took more from the R column than the D column costing Bush a second term and probably didn't matter for Clinton's second term.

Bullshit lol. No way 7% of people watched that performance and decided to switch to Desantis. I’d believe it if he was -7%.

Agree 100%. I thought he looked terrible. Maybe if you just heard him and didn't see him it would be neutral to slightly positive but +7 is comical.

 

[ab2cmiller]

LOL. All of the candidates must've assumed he was singing about all the other rich men except for them. Unfortunately, politics is a rich man's game.

 

[drayer54]

Bullshit lol. No way 7% of people watched that performance and decided to switch to Desantis. I’d believe it if he was -7%.

Are you denying the voice of the people?

 

[Lberry]

Trump being too lazy to debate is not going to help. Haley/DeSantis looked like the best two on the stage. Not shocked if true.

Trump not debating was an elite move, per the data. He shattered the previously most watched video in twitter history (70m previously).

It's not even a question that Trump will destroy all in the primary.

 

[jprue24]

Trump not debating was an elite move, per the data. He shattered the previously most watched video in twitter history (70m previously).

It's not even a question that Trump will destroy all in the primary.

That how many have seen the tweet, not watched the video.

For example, here is a video "watched" bt 4.4M

 

[Lberry]

That how many have seen the tweet, not watched the video.

For example, here is a video that 4.4M "watches"

The previously most watched video in twitter history was 70M using the same metrics. This one's at 260M. Trump runs away with the primary and is as popular as ever.

 

[jprue24]

The previously most watched video in twitter history was 70M using the same metrics. This one's at 260M. Trump runs away with the primary and is as popular as ever.

Lol...those are tweet view counts, not video views.

"Who counts as a viewer?
Anyone who is logged into Twitter who views a Tweet counts as a view, regardless of where they see the Tweet (e.g. Home, Search, Profiles, etc.) or whether or not they follow the author. If you’re the author, looking at your own Tweet also counts as a view.
Note: Embedded Tweets will not add to view counts."

View counts

help.twitter.com

 

[Lberry]

Lol...those are tweet view counts, not video views.

"Who counts as a viewer?
Anyone who is logged into Twitter who views a Tweet counts as a view, regardless of where they see the Tweet (e.g. Home, Search, Profiles, etc.) or whether or not they follow the author. If you’re the author, looking at your own Tweet also counts as a view.
Note: Embedded Tweets will not add to view counts."

View counts

help.twitter.com

The previous record was 70M using the same criteria... this is apples to apples ~350% more than the Previously most viewed no matter how you try to spin it.

Trump is winning the primary unless they kill him. The data is clear as day.

 

[jprue24]

The previous record was 70M using the same criteria... this is apples to apples ~350% more than the Previously most viewed no matter how you try to spin it.

Trump is winning the primary unless they kill him. The data is clear as day.

The criteria is shit. Me scrolling through Twitter is not the same as viewing the video. If I stop on the GOP debate for 1 minute am I a viewer of the program? On Twitter I would count because I channel surfed passed it.

Your metric is garbage. The Tucker thing isn't any special sign that he is winning. Look at the interactions with the tweet...256M views...888k likes. That's .35%. Sub 1% actually liked the video.


Polls do that much better job communicating that Trump is still way out front, that than tweet view counts.

 

[Lberry]

The criteria is shit. Me scrolling through Twitter is not the same as viewing the video. If I stop on the GOP debate for 1 minute am I a viewer of the program? On Twitter I would count because I channel surfed passed it.

Your metric is garbage. The Tucker thing isn't any special sign that he is winning. Look at the interactions with the tweet...256M views...888k likes. That's .35%. Sub 1% actually liked the video.


Polls do that much better job communicating that Trump is still way out front, that than tweet view counts.

It's not my metric, I am not Elon Musk. You can dismiss the most viewed video in twitter history by 350%, I never said the criteria/measurement is perfect, but relatively speaking, it was the most viewed/clicked/whatever you want to call it - ever. By far.

My claim is the data (polls included) show Trump is winning the primary and it won't be close. This thread is futile unless they kill him.

 

[jprue24]

It's not my metric, I am not Elon Musk. You can dismiss the most viewed video in twitter history by 350%, I never said the criteria/measurement is perfect, but relatively speaking, it was the most viewed/clicked/whatever you want to call it - ever. By far.

My claim is the data (polls included) show Trump is winning the primary and it won't be close. This thread is futile unless they kill him.

Nah, nah..this is what you claimed.

"Trump not debating was an elite move, per the data."

It's not an "elite" move. Just a move.

"Former President Donald Trump’s support went unchanged after he skipped the matchup: He remains backed by 58% of the party’s potential electorate — maintaining his 44-percentage-point lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis."

Post GOP-Debate Poll Shows Trump’s Support Unchanged

Donald Trump maintains 44-point lead over Ron DeSantis

pro.morningconsult.com

His Tucker interview did not move the needle. How is that "elite"?