COVID-19

[Lberry]

Look at Uttar Pradesh and Mexico. They handed out IVM for anyone who tested positive. They couldn't even find covid anymore and this was back in 2021-2022.

 

[Armyirish47]

Quite the regimen for something you're definitely 100% not scared of lol.

Wouldn't have thought you needed the horse dewormer since covid is so benign.

I know a guy that gives himself a few solid squirts of flea and tick remover for his sore joints and he has never felt better!

 

[TorontoGold]

ONS updated the data set since I posted, and it impacted all the downstream numbers.

My graph was from the original dataset, which is no longer available online. So, yes, the updated data set now shows those numbers.



yeah, which age group do you fall into? Let's talk ARR because this has been the same story since the beginning of this discussion: no measurable vax benefit < 60 years of age.
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and so now you should see the importance of age stratification. Vax benefit is almost purely 70+, which is why the graph that in that report is very specific in its scope: age 60+.

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So are you trying to use this data set to argue that I, as a sub-40 year old male, should receive the vax?


Fear? lol. Quite the opposite. I don't fear a virus that is nearly benign to people under 40. Had COVID twice, treated with IVM, Zinc, Vit C, Vit D, and baby aspirin, and both times, symptoms disappeared in 2 days.

Tell me again, what is the ARR of the shot to someone < 40?

And clarification: I'm not anti-vax; I'm anti vax mandate. Every person can decide for themselves. Again, it's up to you if you want to wear a rubber suit to prevent a lightning death. I'm not scared of COVID, and I don't need the shot. But, you have openly supported vax mandates, and that's what I find indefensible.

Let's address your first point, the data is still available online. It's right here - Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

So, whichever substack author tried to sell you on those "charts" pulled a fast one on you.

Can you tell the whole class what a rate ratio is? Why does this show that anti-vaxxers are 4x more likely to be hospitalized?
I'll let you find a study that can say vaccines will cause a person to be 4x more likely to be hospitalized than an anti-vaxxer from taking the shot.



For someone who's not anti-vax you sure like the quarterly dustup. Interesting point on rubber suit, I would argue someone taking a few shots a while ago vs having to have a cocktail of IVM and baby aspirin to be less rubber suit. I think my kidneys and heart appreciate that a bit more. That great thing about vitamins is that I can take those AND be vaccinated without having to go to the vet clinic to get my IVM. Vax mandates are incredible and I wish they went farther and stayed longer.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Quite the regimen for something you're definitely 100% not scared of lol.

Wouldn't have thought you needed the horse dewormer since covid is so benign.

Way to spout a shit take again on the horse dewormer when it was originally developed for people and is a Nobel prize winning drug for treating millions for devastating tropical diseases including malaria, but just keep buying those corporate talking points it seems its all you got.

 

[GATTACA!]

Way to spout a shit take again on the horse dewormer when it was originally developed for people and is a Nobel prize winning drug for treating millions for devastating tropical diseases including malaria, but just keep buying those corporate talking points it seems its all you got.

You would think corporations would want to push their product. Tractor Supply Co wouldn’t even sell me any when I got Covid!

 

[ndfanatic78]

You would think corporations would want to push their product. Tractor Supply Co wouldn’t even sell me any when I got Covid!

Not when they are making more off vaccines than could possibly ever make off ivermectin which costs around $20 and isn't subsidized by the federal govt. You really are a special kind of gullible. You just take those main stream talking points and run without any thought or rationalization. It's still a pharmaceutical and you need a prescription to get it. Damn you are one of the special ones aren't you. Bless your heart.

 

[GATTACA!]

Not when they are making more off vaccines than could possibly ever make off ivermectin which costs around $20 and isn't subsidized by the federal govt. You really are a special kind of gullible. You just take those main stream talking points and run without any thought or rationalization. It's still a pharmaceutical and you need a prescription to get it. Damn you are one of the special ones aren't you. Bless your heart.

I must have missed it, when did big pharma tell doctors they weren’t allowed to prescribe IVM?

 

[PerthDomer]

Not when they are making more off vaccines than could possibly ever make off ivermectin which costs around $20 and isn't subsidized by the federal govt. You really are a special kind of gullible. You just take those main stream talking points and run without any thought or rationalization. It's still a pharmaceutical and you need a prescription to get it. Damn you are one of the special ones aren't you. Bless your heart.

Just here to remind everyone that there was a mechanism where zinc, hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, etc. Could help with COVID. They just didn't hold up to studies in actual human beings.

Taking Ivermectin for COVID is like taking Penicillin for a cold. World changing medicine, nobel prize, etc... but you don't take antibiotics for a cold.

 

[sixstar]

Let's address your first point, the data is still available online. It's right here - Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

So, whichever substack author tried to sell you on those "charts" pulled a fast one on you.

I didn't say that the data was removed. I said it was updated, and it was. They loaded a new dataset at the same site address. Read before you comment.

Can you tell the whole class what a rate ratio is? Why does this show that anti-vaxxers are 4x more likely to be hospitalized?
I'll let you find a study that can say vaccines will cause a person to be 4x more likely to be hospitalized than an anti-vaxxer from taking the shot.

So you truly do not understand ARR then, got it.
Go ahead and define ARR then tell me the ARR of the vax in those age groups.
Rubber suit and lightning strikes.

Interesting point on rubber suit, I would argue someone taking a few shots a while ago vs having to have a cocktail of IVM and baby aspirin to be less rubber suit. I think my kidneys and heart appreciate that a bit more.

So you honestly believe that medicine with half lives measured in hours are more invasive than mRNA which permanently retrain your cells on how to make protein? And I'm anti-science? Okay bud.

Are you asserting that vax side effects are less dangerous than IVM and baby aspirin? Bring some proof.

without having to go to the vet clinic to get my IVM.

People would not have had to resort to getting horse grade IVM if IVM prescriptions weren't outlawed. We've been over this.

Vax mandates are incredible and I wish they went farther and stayed longer.

This says a lot about you.
Be careful: one day, your government might enforce a mandate you don't like but effects your livelihood.

Vax mandates were based on the prevention of spread. Data proved this assumption unscientific and completely false. Yet people like you champion this oppression because it didn't impact you. How tolerant and open minded.

I must have missed it, when did big pharma tell doctors they weren’t allowed to prescribe IVM?

IVM prescriptions were prevented in many states. Many people had to import IVM from other countries. That's why people were resorting to horse dewormers - because they couldn't get IVM prescriptions filled. Don't try to re-write history.

 

[TorontoGold]

I didn't say that the data was removed. I said it was updated, and it was. They loaded a new dataset at the same site address. Read before you comment.


So you truly do not understand ARR then, got it.
Go ahead and define ARR then tell me the ARR of the vax in those age groups.
Rubber suit and lightning strikes.


So you honestly believe that medicine with half lives measured in hours are more invasive than mRNA which permanently retrain your cells on how to make protein? And I'm anti-science? Okay bud.

Are you asserting that vax side effects are less dangerous than IVM and baby aspirin? Bring some proof.


People would not have had to resort to getting horse grade IVM if IVM prescriptions weren't outlawed. We've been over this.


This says a lot about you.
Be careful: one day, your government might enforce a mandate you don't like but effects your livelihood.

Vax mandates were based on the prevention of spread. Data proved this assumption unscientific and completely false. Yet people like you champion this oppression because it didn't impact you. How tolerant and open minded.


IVM prescriptions were prevented in many states. Many people had to import IVM from other countries. That's why people were resorting to horse dewormers - because they couldn't get IVM prescriptions filled. Don't try to re-write history.

Ok, so you choose to not use the new data. Got it. lol

I will take the overwhelming support from medical professionals around the world, the bodies in charge of regulating such vaccines, the large amounts of data supporting them, and the general lack of intelligence by the group pushing against vaccines.

I never made the claim about invasive-ness, Joe Skeptic buying IVM from his buddy who is a vet to take for COVID symptoms probably isn't adhering to the proper dosage.

We've been over why horse dewormer is being used, the people who want think they know better than their own family doctor have to go purchase it from a 3rd party.

Oppression? Nobody got oppressed lmao. This is hilarious. If someone lost their job for being a fucking moron then they don't deserve any sympathy. They were given tons of advance notice, and if they had any vax related medical issues then they could have gotten an exemption from their family doctor. I still have yet to see which country is taking the same position as you, which government body says IVM is better than a vaccine? North Korea even had a mass vaccination program. The most dogshit country in the world who literally cares the least about it's citizens felt it was better to vaccinate them. That should be pretty telling.

And why couldn't they get IVM prescriptions filled? Is it because.....the medical professionals (you know, the ones who went to school for this kind of stuff).......said hey maybe we have these other options that are more effective???

Anti-vax people do impact me, they poison otherwise good people who look for confirmation that they are "special" or "smart" because they believe something that not many people believe in. They get used and abused by grifters who are looking to make a quick buck from their naivety. Look at the people who think atheltes are just dropping dead from vaccines despite unable to find any sort of substantive and clear proof, it's really sad.

 

[sixstar]

Ok, so you choose to not use the new data. Got it. lol

False. I acknowledged the new data, the delta, and the impact from that delta.

I champion transparency, which is why I linked the data set in the first place. I could've just posted the graph, but I implored others to look. You looked, and you posted data that contradicted my original statement. I acknowledged it. That is a healthy interchange.

I will take the overwhelming support from medical professionals around the world, the bodies in charge of regulating such vaccines, the large amounts of data supporting them, and the general lack of intelligence by the group pushing against vaccines.

While also conveniently ignoring the voluminous data that speaks to the dangers of the vax.

Would you like to address DNA contamination in vaccines that exceeds the limits specified by the EMA, even after governments officially went on record stating that the vax had no DNA contaminants? Link: DNA contamination in 8 vials of Pfizer monovalent mRNA vaccines

An order of magnitude higher than the EMA limit? Not a big deal, I guess?

Or here: Deep sequencing of the Moderna and Pfizer bivalent vaccines identifies contamination of expression vectors designed for plasmid amplification in bacteria

SV-40 promoters are oncogenic (cancer causing). And even though cancer rates are elevated, I'm sure you don't care because the researcher posted his study on substack.

Or any of the VAERS data reports, or any of the medical papers I've posted in this thread?

Nah, because your links are right and mine are wrong, and there's no way that there could be truth in both sides. Vax is all good all the time, and anyone who disagrees is an ignorant anti-science anti-vaxxer who deserves to lose their job.

I never made the claim about invasive-ness, Joe Skeptic buying IVM from his buddy who is a vet to take for COVID symptoms probably isn't adhering to the proper dosage.

No, you never said that. You specifically said:
I would argue someone taking a few shots a while ago vs having to have a cocktail of IVM and baby aspirin to be less rubber suit. I think my kidneys and heart appreciate that a bit more.

Don't gaslight. It was an ignorant and anti-scientific statement.

We've been over why horse dewormer is being used, the people who want think they know better than their own family doctor have to go purchase it from a 3rd party.

Yes, because prescriptions were being blocked. Again, don't gaslight.
And yes, off-label prescriptions are common in medical practice. Don't pretend that they aren't.

Did regulating bodies block otherwise open access to IVM? Of course they did.
Do I recommend people take horse dewormers? Of course not.

Oppression? Nobody got oppressed lmao.

Demonstrably false, and you know it.
People lost jobs, people were denied medical procedures, people were locked out of public venues.

At least stop lying and argue in good faith.

This is hilarious. If someone lost their job for being a fucking moron then they don't deserve any sympathy. They were given tons of advance notice, and if they had any vax related medical issues then they could have gotten an exemption from their family doctor.

So, understanding statistics and ARR makes me a "fucking moron" for not needing a shot? Good to know that you despise logic.
And nobody needs a special purpose exemption to decide against a shot. If you don't want it, don't take it. Have you heard of "informed consent"?

I still have yet to see which country is taking the same position as you, which government body says IVM is better than a vaccine? North Korea even had a mass vaccination program. The most dogshit country in the world who literally cares the least about it's citizens felt it was better to vaccinate them. That should be pretty telling.

Did I say that IVM is better than a vaccine? Where?

I said that IVM has benefits.
I said that vax does not have benefits in young cohorts.
I admit that vax benefits ages 70+.
I said that many people do not need the vax.

Stop vortexing.

Oh, and tell me more about the infallibility of government assertions.

And why couldn't they get IVM prescriptions filled? Is it because.....the medical professionals (you know, the ones who went to school for this kind of stuff).......said hey maybe we have these other options that are more effective???

We've been over this. IVM blocked an EUA for both the vaccine and the oral antivirals like Paxlovid. EUAs were approved based on "no alternative treatments"

Anti-vax people do impact me,

False.

they poison otherwise good people who look for confirmation that they are "special" or "smart" because they believe something that not many people believe in.

Ah yes, groupthink, the great enabler of knowledge and advancement.

They get used and abused by grifters who are looking to make a quick buck from their naivety. Look at the people who think atheltes are just dropping dead from vaccines despite unable to find any sort of substantive and clear proof, it's really sad.

Doesn't impact you one bit. You disagree, and you dislike them for disagreeing, so you celebrate when bad things happen to them. How tolerant and kind.

See - the difference is that the vax skeptics are raising their voices and sharing data because they want people to have informed consent. They want people to understand the very real risks and very real minimal benefits of the vax. They don't want to be right - they want people to avoid getting hurt. You, on the other hand, look at vax skeptics as your enemy, and you have made several statements openly wishing ill upon them.

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

 

[ndfanatic78]

I must have missed it, when did big pharma tell doctors they weren’t allowed to prescribe IVM?

Where do you think doctors get the information about prescription drugs? The overwhelming majority do not take the time to actually look into every study on every drug they prescribe. They usually just memorize what medications treat what diseases, if that, or just look them up from a data base. You really are dense and just pick antagonistic arguments.

 

[GATTACA!]

Where do you think doctors get the information about prescriptions? The overwhelming majority do not take the time to actually look into every study on every drug they prescribe. They usually just memorize what medications treat what diseases.

So no one told them they weren’t allowed to prescribe it? Gotcha.

You really are dense and just pick idiotic arguments.

The mark of your argument going well lol.

 

[sixstar]

So no one told them they weren’t allowed to prescribe it? Gotcha.

A simple google search will demonstrate numerous news articles on Ivermectin prescriptions being blocked domestically and abroad.

First result:

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19

 

[PerthDomer]

Where do you think doctors get the information about prescriptions? The overwhelming majority do not take the time to actually look into every study on every drug they prescribe. They usually just memorize what medications treat what diseases. You really are dense and just pick idiotic arguments.

Doctors generally do their own research. 10 years out of residency you'll be prescribing a lot of new drugs. Interpreting studies is a big chunk of our training.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though.

 

[PerthDomer]

A simple google search will demonstrate numerous news articles on Ivermectin prescriptions being blocked domestically and abroad.

First result:

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19

We saw for HCQ and Ivermectin the flood of prescriptions overwhelmed the ability to provide proven uses of the drug.

Being in the ICU I could have prescribed either drug, but people would have questioned my medical acumen if I had. I do remember with HCQ they shut down prescriptions outside of primary care, ID, and ICU because for instance Orthopedic Surgeons were calling in prescriptions for patients they'd never examined.

At this point if a doc is routinely prescribing ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine for covid their peers won't trust their judgements in other things, because the literature doesn't really leave much room to think it works. If you're still holding onto an obvious falsehood you're probably a crappy doctor.

 

[TorontoGold]

False. I acknowledged the new data, the delta, and the impact from that delta.

I champion transparency, which is why I linked the data set in the first place. I could've just posted the graph, but I implored others to look. You looked, and you posted data that contradicted my original statement. I acknowledged it. That is a healthy interchange.


While also conveniently ignoring the voluminous data that speaks to the dangers of the vax.

Would you like to address DNA contamination in vaccines that exceeds the limits specified by the EMA, even after governments officially went on record stating that the vax had no DNA contaminants? Link: DNA contamination in 8 vials of Pfizer monovalent mRNA vaccines

An order of magnitude higher than the EMA limit? Not a big deal, I guess?

Or here: Deep sequencing of the Moderna and Pfizer bivalent vaccines identifies contamination of expression vectors designed for plasmid amplification in bacteria

SV-40 promoters are oncogenic (cancer causing). And even though cancer rates are elevated, I'm sure you don't care because the researcher posted his study on substack.

Or any of the VAERS data reports, or any of the medical papers I've posted in this thread?

Nah, because your links are right and mine are wrong, and there's no way that there could be truth in both sides. Vax is all good all the time, and anyone who disagrees is an ignorant anti-science anti-vaxxer who deserves to lose their job.


No, you never said that. You specifically said:
I would argue someone taking a few shots a while ago vs having to have a cocktail of IVM and baby aspirin to be less rubber suit. I think my kidneys and heart appreciate that a bit more.

Don't gaslight. It was an ignorant and anti-scientific statement.


Yes, because prescriptions were being blocked. Again, don't gaslight.
And yes, off-label prescriptions are common in medical practice. Don't pretend that they aren't.

Did regulating bodies block otherwise open access to IVM? Of course they did.
Do I recommend people take horse dewormers? Of course not.


Demonstrably false, and you know it.
People lost jobs, people were denied medical procedures, people were locked out of public venues.

At least stop lying and argue in good faith.


So, understanding statistics and ARR makes me a "fucking moron" for not needing a shot? Good to know that you despise logic.
And nobody needs a special purpose exemption to decide against a shot. If you don't want it, don't take it. Have you heard of "informed consent"?


Did I say that IVM is better than a vaccine? Where?

I said that IVM has benefits.
I said that vax does not have benefits in young cohorts.
I admit that vax benefits ages 70+.
I said that many people do not need the vax.

Stop vortexing.

Oh, and tell me more about the infallibility of government assertions.
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We've been over this. IVM blocked an EUA for both the vaccine and the oral antivirals like Paxlovid. EUAs were approved based on "no alternative treatments"


False.


Ah yes, groupthink, the great enabler of knowledge and advancement.


Doesn't impact you one bit. You disagree, and you dislike them for disagreeing, so you celebrate when bad things happen to them. How tolerant and kind.

See - the difference is that the vax skeptics are raising their voices and sharing data because they want people to have informed consent. They want people to understand the very real risks and very real minimal benefits of the vax. They don't want to be right - they want people to avoid getting hurt. You, on the other hand, look at vax skeptics as your enemy, and you have made several statements openly wishing ill upon them.

When people tell you who they are, believe them.

To the bolded

Yeah taking unregulated medication because you are going against common practice is way more rubber suit than taking a couple shots.

I have a great deal of distaste for anti-vaxxers because of the damage they have caused to my family and friends. Friends who lived in remote areas had their screenings postponed because the hospitals were being overrun. A close friend was experiencing issues with his vision, he had made numerous appointments to get a CAT scan done to see the source of his issue, turns out he had a tumor that was causing this and by the time he could get the appointment it was too late. So, if some dickhead in rural Ontario loses their job I don't give a fuck because they parrot the same garbage that lead to resources being taken away from assisting my friend. Anti-vaxxers are my enemy, the same way that those that felt banning indoor smoking would by enemy if that was still an issue.

Very real risks? There have been numerous studies linked here and over the internet that show the risk/benefit of a vaccine vs not. The data is unanimous in that there is a clear benefit.

Why is that no government in the world has taken the same position as you and your followers?
The most "caring" government like a Norway - doesn't agree with you.
The most authoritarian and people are just a resource government North Korea - doesn't agree with you.

So if the most progressive and regressive countries don't agree should that not be a sign?

 

[GATTACA!]

A simple google search will demonstrate numerous news articles on Ivermectin prescriptions being blocked domestically and abroad.

First result:

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-restrictions-prescribing-ivermectin-covid-19

Being blocked by who? Doctors using their discretion to not prescribe it? Or the govenment telling them they weren't allowed to give it to people? Those are two very different things.

I don't care what they did in Australia.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Doctors generally do their own research. 10 years out of residency you'll be prescribing a lot of new drugs. Interpreting studies is a big chunk of our training.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though.

If a doctor spent a lot of time researching Ivermectin and decided that the potential benefit was worth prescribing the drug. What should happen?

Should the prescription be filled? Is it OK for the pharmacist to overrule the doctor and refuse to fill? Is it ok for the Physician Group to overrule the doctor patient relationship? Is it ok for the doctor be fired? Should they loose their ability to practice in the state?

 

[ndfanatic78]

So no one told them they weren’t allowed to prescribe it? Gotcha.

The mark of your argument going well lol.

There are plenty of doctors who did prescribe it and others that were threatened with losing their licenses if they did.

Doctors generally do their own research. 10 years out of residency you'll be prescribing a lot of new drugs. Interpreting studies is a big chunk of our training.

Thanks for the vote of confidence though.

I have no confidence in American doctors. I have been given shit information from numerous doctors all supposedly highly rated and recommended and later come to find out what they prescribed was worse the ailment I had. How's the opioid epidemic going? The doctors did some real great research there.

 

[PerthDomer]

If a doctor spent a lot of time researching Ivermectin and decided that the potential benefit was worth prescribing the drug. What should happen?

Should the prescription be filled? Is it OK for the pharmacist to overrule the doctor and refuse to fill? Is it ok for the Physician Group to overrule the doctor patient relationship? Is it ok for the doctor be fired? Should they loose their ability to practice in the state?

If a doctor in their practice is doing it, they're fine (assuming they practice outpatient medicine). If they're prescribing via telemedicine and running an ivermectin shop (think an out there version of a hair loss/ED telemedicine thing). They're going to be in trouble at some level.

In most practices you practice with a group. People don't want to practice with a crappy doctor. If I were working with a guy and found out he were ivermectin pulled I would be uncomfortable sharing patients with them. I would assume they were bad at practicing medicine and they might harm my patients (and I might get sued by their train wrecks).

 

[sixstar]

because the literature doesn't really leave much room to think it works. If you're still holding onto an obvious falsehood you're probably a crappy doctor.

Again, there is plenty of evidence across nearly 100 studies and 130,000+ patients showing that IVM has a high likelihood of improving outcome with a very high safety profile.

I don't understand how a safe drug like IVM could have been blacklisted when - at minimum - it was a cheap, widely available, promising, safe treatment option.

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of 292 studies

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of 292 studies

c19ivm.org

We saw for HCQ and Ivermectin the flood of prescriptions overwhelmed the ability to provide proven uses of the drug.

But none of the guidance was based on unavailability. It was based on claims that IVM wasn't "proven" to treat COVID. But doctors regularly prescribe off-label uses of drugs that are unproven in a different domain.

Yeah taking unregulated medication because you are going against common practice is way more rubber suit than taking a couple shots.

Ah, yes, permanently altering your immune system is a much better approach than a transient medication. Good point.

I have a great deal of distaste for anti-vaxxers because of the damage they have caused to my family and friends.

So, you desire to cause damage to them. An eye for an eye so to speak. Got it.

Friends who lived in remote areas had their screenings postponed because the hospitals were being overrun.

Which hospitals? Most hospitals post their bed availability data. Let's take a close look at this claim. Many US hospitals that claimed to be overrun were not actually overrun based on HHS data.

Your disdain and hate are rooted in assumptions like this, so let's verify your assumption.

A close friend was experiencing issues with his vision, he had made numerous appointments to get a CAT scan done to see the source of his issue, turns out he had a tumor that was causing this and by the time he could get the appointment it was too late.

Because anti-vaxxers were monopolizing CAT scan machines? Is that your assertion?

So, if some dickhead in rural Ontario loses their job I don't give a fuck

Painting with a broad stroke is always effective. Keep at it. Nuanced and intelligent behavior while simultaneously accusing others of being stupid. Solid work.

Very real risks? There have been numerous studies linked here and over the internet that show the risk/benefit of a vaccine vs not. The data is unanimous in that there is a clear benefit.

Unanimous according to only the sources you deem as credible. There is plenty of dissenting data that you readily and confidently dismiss. I've posted numerous studies here over the past nearly 12 months, and you have yet to even consider an alternate point of view. You firmly believe that the vaxes are fully safe and fully effective. Got it. I understand why you are resistant to consider alternative information now that you have discussed the foundation for your built up hatred.

Why is that no government in the world has taken the same position as you and your followers?
The most "caring" government like a Norway - doesn't agree with you.
The most authoritarian and people are just a resource government North Korea - doesn't agree with you.

So if the most progressive and regressive countries don't agree should that not be a sign?

Agree about what, specifically?
Several countries have stopped recommending the vax for children.
Several countries have used and continue to use IVM.

Being blocked by who? Doctors using their discretion to not prescribe it? Or the govenment telling them they weren't allowed to give it to people? Those are two very different things.

I don't care what they did in Australia.

Google it. Blocked by governments. By doctors. By hospitals. It's not hard to find. Plenty of examples in the US. I'm not doing your homework for you.

 

[Lberry]

Jacob Lacey having to step away for a while, who knows how long, due to discovered blood clot. The new normal.

 

[bobbyok1]

Jacob Lacey having to step away for a while, who knows how long, due to discovered blood clot. The new normal.

Is there an article with more info on this?

 

[PerthDomer]

Blood clots were an issue before COVID, though a COVID infection can directly cause them. mRNA vaccines aren't linked to increased clotting.

Blood clots are also seen in football. Not saying Lacey used them, but steroids increase your risk for Blood clots. You see them in football, especially with the bigger positions.

Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Abuse: The Effects on Thrombosis Risk, Coagulation, and Fibrinolysis - PubMed

Anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) abuse surged during the 1980s and is seen in approximately 1 in 20 of all males today. A wide spectrum of AAS compounds and abuse regimens are applied and AAS abuse has been associated with an unfavorable cardiovascular profile. The aim of this review is to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Lberry]

Blood clots were an issue before COVID, though a COVID infection can directly cause them. mRNA vaccines aren't linked to increased clotting.

Blood clots are also seen in football. Not saying Lacey used them, but steroids increase your risk for Blood clots. You see them in football, especially with the bigger positions.

Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Abuse: The Effects on Thrombosis Risk, Coagulation, and Fibrinolysis - PubMed

Anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) abuse surged during the 1980s and is seen in approximately 1 in 20 of all males today. A wide spectrum of AAS compounds and abuse regimens are applied and AAS abuse has been associated with an unfavorable cardiovascular profile. The aim of this review is to...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Always existed, not this common at all though. People can keep their heads in the sand if they want. Some of the scariest stuff being discovered is by embalmers who are throwing their hands up, saying they've never seen this amount of clots in their careers.

 

[sixstar]

Browns WR Marquise Goodwin placed on non-football illness list, to miss start of training camp due to blood clots

 

[PerthDomer]

Always existed, not this common at all though. People can keep their heads in the sand if they want. Some of the scariest stuff being discovered is by embalmers who are throwing their hands up, saying they've never seen this amount of clots in their careers.

Another article from 2016 discussing why pro athletes have higher than normal rates of PE and DVT

404 Error | College of Medicine | University of Vermont

I didn't realize Serena Williams almost died of a PE about a decade ago. Several pro athletes have had career ending clots.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Way to spout a shit take again on the horse dewormer when it was originally developed for people and is a Nobel prize winning drug for treating millions for devastating tropical diseases including malaria, but just keep buying those corporate talking points it seems its all you got.

Malaria is a parasite, COVID is a virus. Ivermectin does not treat viruses. 🤦‍♂️

 

[ACamp1900]

Good lord oh mighty,… trying to read through the last five pages or so only one thought consistently came to mind: you fucking white people