'24 AZ EDGE Elijah Rushing (Offer)

[IrishSpartan]

Priester had an interesting comment recently with regards to up front NIL. He said FUND wouldn't do it and that it would have to be through a different collective.
Anyone know of any other ND collectives other than FUND?

Most likely would be Wimbush’s collective.

 

[GATTACA!]

ND Admin wouldn't admit them (or suspend them, kick them out of school) so no ND alum with $ is going to waste it for that.

I think ND would get their balls sued off if they kicked a kid out over that. What right does the school have to tell a student who they can or can’t work for?

 

[NDFAN420]

I think ND would get their balls sued off if they kicked a kid out over that. What right does the school have to tell a student who they can or can’t work for?

I don't have enough legal experience to comment about the first part, but nobody with $ is going to ruin their relationship with ND over that and they're not beating ND at ND over it.

ND seems to think that they do have that right or at least think that they should have that right to dictate every facet of their football players' financial lives. But their morality and ethics regarding money start and stop, funnily enough, at ND's financial gain every time. It's crazy how morality shines on ND's ability to extend its profit margin but not on anyone who might take a slice. Them there markets are illegitimate and unethical and any who participates are bad people. Crazy I tell you. Everyone knows that there's something intrinsic to athletic talent in America, which is further more narrowly defined to athletic talent that earns a gate (now TV contracts), that makes it immoral to get money or even covet money before whatever random rules your sport came up with to define your amateur status. Do you have a different God-given talent? Great! Earn as early as you can, as much as you can baby!

 

[rtrn2glory]

Bottom line is the wrong people have money. I promise guys if I have money, which is never happening, ND will not lose out because of NIL

 

[IAIrish]

So with rushing no longer a legit prospect, what's the staff's play?
Try to get back in with Williams?
Or Benedict Umah?
Try and id a senior year bloomer?
Or stay put?

 

[IrishLion]

I think ND would get their balls sued off if they kicked a kid out over that. What right does the school have to tell a student who they can or can’t work for?

I think the point is that ND wouldn’t let a kid go through admissions if they knew an ND-related NIL program (or a rogue donor) was offering up-front payments, rather than using FUND. They’d have legal grounds to refuse admission at that point since up-front payments are technically against the rules.

I know you view it as ND stepping on their own dicks since the NCAA is worthless and will never make an effort to enforce their rules at this point… but you have chosen to root for ND, the same school that threw themselves at the mercy of the NCAA for a year’s worth of vacated wins because a tutor edited some papers too heavily. They do things how they are supposed to be done, even at the detriment of their competitive standing at times. You know this about ND, and you continue to root for them, so why keep shouting into the void about NIL when you know the deal?

ND is doing NIL the *right* way in facilitating REAL opportunities for enrolled athletes, which I truly think is not only noble, but actually smart. Excepting Bama and UGA, there’s a shitload of schools out there offering upfront payments for the five-star guys you’re clamoring for ND to do the same for, and it’s already proving to be unsustainable for most of those schools trying to buy their way to wins. Texas A&M was the worst offender right off the bat, and they’re already hemorrhaging and dealing with an alumni revolt lol.

If ND can hold serve, and the sport doesn’t continue to change into an unidentifiable mess, I think you will see the tide start to turn in ~3 years, when enough disgruntled 5-stars have aired enough dirty laundry, while enough ND guys have done NIL the correct way and have put proof on paper for other recruits to see.

“You can get promised $2M to play at [school], and maybe get 25% before they decide you’re a bust and you have to either transfer for nothing or fight them on it… or you can come to ND and make legit money with actual potential for further ROI if you start playing well. Your choice!”

At least, in my ND fairy tale…

 

[Reaper97]

Two things some people need to realize;

1) Billionaires don’t become billionaires by giving away their money. And most billionaires from ND don’t care about football or NIL. The Fertitas have a son/nephew who played at ND, & they still aren’t giving ND millions.

2) Ever who said ND is a football school regardless if the Admin or BOTs know it, is 100% completely wrong.
Notre Dame’s international notoriety has nothing to do with football. 95% of the world’s population doesn’t even have football.
ND’s Endowment didn’t get to $20+ Billion because of football.
My three relatives who went to ND don’t give a shit about football, and one actually hated the fact the football players got in solely based on football. There is a lot of that attitude at ND believe it or not.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Dad's and uncles wanting the bag. Having a son and daughter, I couldn't even fathom pimping them off to the highest bidder.

 

[dublinirish]

Dad's and uncles wanting the bag. Having a son and daughter, I couldn't even fathom pimping them off to the highest bidder.

Ah it’s more about securing a kids financial future


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[NDpendent]

Bottom line is the wrong people have money. I promise guys if I have money, which is never happening, ND will not lose out because of NIL

This is true. If anyone has read the Millionaire next door, it's about how the majority of millionaires in the US are very frugal people with average homes and average cars etc. You would never guess they were millionaires and didn't become millionaires by spending their money foolishly (aka unproven HS kids)

 

[dad4aa]

Ah it’s more about securing a kids financial future


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Disagree. It’s pimping them out for immediate money, not their financial future. From what we’ve seen, a lot of these promised upfront payouts end up not being as promised. No way to ever find out but I would bet Keon and Peyton would end up with more money at ND once they were proven players than they received up front from a cash cow. I still hope rules get put in place so it is truly an NIL deal and not a pay to play for high school kids.

 

[irishff1014]

Disagree. It’s pimping them out for immediate money, not their financial future. From what we’ve seen, a lot of these promised upfront payouts end up not being as promised. No way to ever find out but I would bet Keon and Peyton would end up with more money at ND once they were proven players than they received up front from a cash cow. I still hope rules get put in place so it is truly an NIL deal and not a pay to play for high school kids.

100% agree!

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Disagree. It’s pimping them out for immediate money, not their financial future. From what we’ve seen, a lot of these promised upfront payouts end up not being as promised. No way to ever find out but I would bet Keon and Peyton would end up with more money at ND once they were proven players than they received up front from a cash cow. I still hope rules get put in place so it is truly an NIL deal and not a pay to play for high school kids.

This. The average NIL sign-on is not nearly enough to “secure a kid’s financial future”.

The issue is largely parents and uncles who refuse to recognize that there is any possibility that their kid does not succeed in college and NFL. By recognition on name alone, ND will set you up for life in the instance things don’t work out in football, much more than many other places (40-year plan).

If you’re 100% certain that you’ll eventually be an NFL stud, then it’s hard to not take the guaranteed immediate payout along the way, but we all know things don’t work that way.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Ah it’s more about securing a kids financial future


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I have no problem with that. But a lot of these 'men' want to know what they can do for them. Where's my bag?

Coaches should tell these leeches to fuck off.

 

[SDIrishFan]

The issue is largely parents and uncles who refuse to recognize that there is any possibility that their kid does not succeed in college and NFL. By recognition on name alone, ND will set you up for life in the instance things don’t work out in football, much more than many other places (40-year plan).

Legitimate question, having not gone to ND or really knowing anyone with an “elite” education, does a ND degree really carry that much clout?

 

[NDQuebec]

Legitimate question, having not gone to ND or really knowing anyone with an “elite” education, does a ND degree really carry that much clout?

It carries some clout but not enough to sway an elite player IMHO. The way I see it is that if an elite player is also a very good student and smart, he will succeed in life even if he doesn't make it to the NFL, no matter what university he attends. It's more likely that that elite player prefers to look for the university that can best prepare him for the NFL. Looking at it this way, an ND degree doesn't carry that much clout for elite players . It carries more clout to players that aren't elite and don't think that they have a good chance to be in the NFL.

 

[SDIrishFan]

It carries some clout but not enough to sway an elite player IMHO. The way I see it is that if an elite player is also a very good student and smart, he will succeed in life even if he doesn't make it to the NFL, no matter what university he attends. It's more likely that that elite player prefers to look for the university that can best prepare him for the NFL. Looking at it this way, an ND degree doesn't carry that much clout for elite players . It carries more clout to players that aren't elite and don't think that they have a good chance to be in the NFL.

Right, I guess I was sort of asking how powerful is the 40 year plan pitch? The assumption that football doesn’t work out, can these players rely on their ND degree or connections for life? Or even regular students?

 

[Crazy Balki]

It carries some clout but not enough to sway an elite player IMHO. The way I see it is that if an elite player is also a very good student and smart, he will succeed in life even if he doesn't make it to the NFL, no matter what university he attends. It's more likely that that elite player prefers to look for the university that can best prepare him for the NFL. Looking at it this way, an ND degree doesn't carry that much clout for elite players . It carries more clout to players that aren't elite and don't think that they have a good chance to be in the NFL.

This is likely the mindset, and it's insanely flawed.

Elite players tend to drastically underestimate the value of ND's education. It's not just the degree, but the networking. It's something that kids and parents don't take into consideration nearly as much as they should.

The old saying is not what you know, but who you know. Sure, a great student can go to Alabama and get a quality education, but is Alabama going to provide you with the same network channels as a ND? Nope.

This is the instant gratification era, where everybody is looking for what a school can give me now, as opposed to how a school can set me up for success after my playing days are over.

There's a reason why ND is a top 20 university and places like Ohio State, Alabama and the like are not. It's a vastly superior education with a vastly superior network of affiliates.

It's also kind of bizarre how parents don't seem to understand how the ND network is capable of setting your son up with several quality NIL opportunities and even more importantly, branching out to form relationships that set up more business ventures down the line. It's honestly infuriating how intentionally dense some of these parents are that they simply overlook or even flat out choose to ignore it.

 

[Irishnuke]

Legitimate question, having not gone to ND or really knowing anyone with an “elite” education, does a ND degree really carry that much clout?

Paging Whiskey

 

[ColinKSU]

This is likely the mindset, and it's insanely flawed.

Elite players tend to drastically underestimate the value of ND's education. It's not just the degree, but the networking. It's something that kids and parents don't take into consideration nearly as much as they should.

The old saying is not what you know, but who you know. Sure, a great student can go to Alabama and get a quality education, but is Alabama going to provide you with the same network channels as a ND? Nope.

This is the instant gratification era, where everybody is looking for what a school can give me now, as opposed to how a school can set me up for success after my playing days are over.

There's a reason why ND is a top 20 university and places like Ohio State, Alabama and the like are not. It's a vastly superior education with a vastly superior network of affiliates.

It's also kind of bizarre how parents don't seem to understand how the ND network is capable of setting your son up with several quality NIL opportunities and even more importantly, branching out to form relationships that set up more business ventures down the line. It's honestly infuriating how intentionally dense some of these parents are that they simply overlook or even flat out choose to ignore it.

I graduated from Kent State University with a perfectly *cromulent* degree and literally *ZERO* connections or network to rely on to start my career. Kicked out the door and told that they don’t recall saying good luck. Everything I’ve accomplished was because I had to figure it out on my own.

Like you said, the degree is almost secondary. I couldn't access Notre Dame's network and the celebrity that comes from playing on the football team - you can get a good education at a lot of schools.

 

[NDFAN420]

I think the point is that ND wouldn’t let a kid go through admissions if they knew an ND-related NIL program (or a rogue donor) was offering up-front payments, rather than using FUND. They’d have legal grounds to refuse admission at that point since up-front payments are technically against the rules.

I know you view it as ND stepping on their own dicks since the NCAA is worthless and will never make an effort to enforce their rules at this point… but you have chosen to root for ND, the same school that threw themselves at the mercy of the NCAA for a year’s worth of vacated wins because a tutor edited some papers too heavily. They do things how they are supposed to be done, even at the detriment of their competitive standing at times. You know this about ND, and you continue to root for them, so why keep shouting into the void about NIL when you know the deal?

ND is doing NIL the *right* way in facilitating REAL opportunities for enrolled athletes, which I truly think is not only noble, but actually smart. Excepting Bama and UGA, there’s a shitload of schools out there offering upfront payments for the five-star guys you’re clamoring for ND to do the same for, and it’s already proving to be unsustainable for most of those schools trying to buy their way to wins. Texas A&M was the worst offender right off the bat, and they’re already hemorrhaging and dealing with an alumni revolt lol.

If ND can hold serve, and the sport doesn’t continue to change into an unidentifiable mess, I think you will see the tide start to turn in ~3 years, when enough disgruntled 5-stars have aired enough dirty laundry, while enough ND guys have done NIL the correct way and have put proof on paper for other recruits to see.

“You can get promised $2M to play at [school], and maybe get 25% before they decide you’re a bust and you have to either transfer for nothing or fight them on it… or you can come to ND and make legit money with actual potential for further ROI if you start playing well. Your choice!”

At least, in my ND fairy tale…

If A&M were the first and only school to offer money to players, you'd have a point, but since they're not the first or only, using A&M as an example proves absolutely nothing other than they were guilty of poor roster management. This doesn't seem to plague other schools which also pays players such as "Bama and Georgia.

You're using either/or arguments that doesn't make sense. A player can receive a payout from a school and also receive legit NIL opportunities - happens all the time.

"They do things how they are supposed to be done" Prove it.
Prove that 19 year olds are not supposed to be paid for possessing football talent until 3 years after their high school prom. In fact, prove ND's point, that these young men are ethically and morally wrong for it.

 

[DONTH8]

I graduated from Kent State University with a perfectly *cromulent* degree and literally *ZERO* connections or network to rely on to start my career. Kicked out the door and told that they don’t recall saying good luck. Everything I’ve accomplished was because I had to figure it out on my own.

Like you said, the degree is almost secondary. I couldn't access Notre Dame's network and the celebrity that comes from playing on the football team - you can get a good education at a lot of schools.

Dang, I’ve been reading your name as ColinKansasState.

 

[IrishLion]

If A&M were the first and only school to offer money to players, you'd have a point, but since they're not the first or only, using A&M as an example proves absolutely nothing other than they were guilty of poor roster management. This doesn't seem to plague other schools which also pays players such as "Bama and Georgia.

You're using either/or arguments that doesn't make sense. A player can receive a payout from a school and also receive legit NIL opportunities - happens all the time.

"They do things how they are supposed to be done" Prove it.
Prove that 19 year olds are not supposed to be paid for possessing football talent until 3 years after their high school prom. In fact, prove ND's point, that these young men are ethically and morally wrong for it.

A&M is just the easy example. Miami is another if you’d like, and so is USC. Schools throwing large payments at kids to reinforce or flip their roster quickly. It’s simply not sustainable for most schools trying to play the same game that Bama and UGA perfected before it was remotely close to being “legal.”

I don’t think ND is saying kids are ethically or morally wrong. They’re just committed to doing NIL the right way, rather than allowing “pay for play.”

I’m not in disagreement with you and @GATTACA! about the principals of the matter, either… if no one is enforcing the rule, ND should throw its weight around if it’s serious about winning. It wouldn’t be a sign of a moral flaw, just that they are willing to secure the best student athletes for the university.

But that’s not how ND operates when it comes to following the rules, and everyone should know that by now. Its pointless to get upset about it, is all. Clamoring for rogue donors to save the day means you believe bunch of really smart rich dudes are going to gamble their money on several 17yo’s each year on the off chance their recruiting projections are right. As nice as that would be, and as much as I’d love to say that any amount of money and risk is worth a natty… that type of investment is not how the majority of ND donors that could save the day would operate, I don’t think.

 

[irishff1014]

If A&M were the first and only school to offer money to players, you'd have a point, but since they're not the first or only, using A&M as an example proves absolutely nothing other than they were guilty of poor roster management. This doesn't seem to plague other schools which also pays players such as "Bama and Georgia.

You're using either/or arguments that doesn't make sense. A player can receive a payout from a school and also receive legit NIL opportunities - happens all the time.

"They do things how they are supposed to be done" Prove it.
Prove that 19 year olds are not supposed to be paid for possessing football talent until 3 years after their high school prom. In fact, prove ND's point, that these young men are ethically and morally wrong for it.

When they are offered a scholarship to ND and it doesn’t if they get injured or not ND honors that. Unlimited healthcare, unlimited clothing, travel to places they’ll probably never go on their own, assistance with their studies at no cost to them, every 10 years or so dropping millions in to facilities to make sure these young men have the proper places to get better.

 

[NDpendent]

Legitimate question, having not gone to ND or really knowing anyone with an “elite” education, does a ND degree really carry that much clout?

IMO a million dollars gross up front is worth more then a degree from ND if you immediately invest it all. After four years (time it takes to get a degree) that upfront money should already be making $100,000 a year in the market and climb every year there after.

Problem is most of these kids aren't going to be smart with it and after you pay off all your uncles and cousins it will usually run out after a few years.

 

[irishff1014]

IMO a million dollars gross up front is worth more then a degree from ND if you immediately invest it all. After four years (time it takes to get a degree) that upfront money should already be making $100,000 a year in the market and climb every year there after.

Problem is most of these kids aren't going to be smart with it and after you pay off all your uncles and cousins it will usually run out after a few years.

The kids aren’t getting all of that to begin with. The parents are getting some of that.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

The kids aren’t getting all of that to begin with. The parents are getting some of that.

Not to mention the cut the IRS and any “handler” or “negotiator” will take…….

 

[GATTACA!]

A&M is just the easy example. Miami is another if you’d like, and so is USC. Schools throwing large payments at kids to reinforce or flip their roster quickly. It’s simply not sustainable for most schools trying to play the same game that Bama and UGA perfected before it was remotely close to being “legal.”

I don’t think ND is saying kids are ethically or morally wrong. They’re just committed to doing NIL the right way, rather than allowing “pay for play.”

I’m not in disagreement with you and @GATTACA! about the principals of the matter, either… if no one is enforcing the rule, ND should throw its weight around if it’s serious about winning. It wouldn’t be a sign of a moral flaw, just that they are willing to secure the best student athletes for the university.

But that’s not how ND operates when it comes to following the rules, and everyone should know that by now. Its pointless to get upset about it, is all. Clamoring for rogue donors to save the day means you believe bunch of really smart rich dudes are going to gamble their money on several 17yo’s each year on the off chance their recruiting projections are right. As nice as that would be, and as much as I’d love to say that any amount of money and risk is worth a natty… that type of investment is not how the majority of ND donors that could save the day would operate, I don’t think.

No one is suggesting ND should be sending mailers to every 5* with an NIL offer like A&M, Miami, Oregon, etc.

What I think we all wish is that ND would use up front NIL to retain RKGs that, all things being equal, would have ended up at ND otherwise.

Keeley, Bowen, Moore, Rushing, Kaleb Beasley, Justin Scott. These are guys that are culture fits for ND. They aren’t random top 50 players just added because we would have the money.

 

[INLaw]

I graduated from Kent State University with a perfectly *cromulent* degree and literally *ZERO* connections or network to rely on to start my career. Kicked out the door and told that they don’t recall saying good luck. Everything I’ve accomplished was because I had to figure it out on my own.

Like you said, the degree is almost secondary. I couldn't access Notre Dame's network and the celebrity that comes from playing on the football team - you can get a good education at a lot of schools.

How did you go to Kent State when many times you have told us You went to Kansas State lmao

 

[ColinKSU]

How did you go to Kent State when many times you have told us You went to Kansas State lmao

It said Colin NOT from Kansas!