All Things SCOTUS

[ab2cmiller]

LOL @ the headline. Seems like reasonable reporting.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

LOL @ the headline. Seems like reasonable reporting.

I agree that headline is ridiculous and it totally misses the main point of the scandal. Though, no matter how much money I had to waste, I can’t imagine ever wanting to buy nazi memorabilia and Hitlers personal paintings or to purchase and display actual statues of European dictators in my walking garden. I’m not saying he is a nazi or a bad guy but that shit is weird and I seriously question that dude’s ideals. Especially if he has enough money and political power to purchase a SCOTUS judge and sway legislators.

Outside of the inflammatory headline though what was factually incorrect with the article?

 

[TorontoGold]

I agree that headline is ridiculous and it totally misses the main point of the scandal. Though, no matter how much money I had to waste, I can’t imagine ever wanting to buy nazi memorabilia and Hitlers personal paintings or to purchase and display actual statues of European dictators in my walking garden. I’m not saying he is a nazi or a bad guy but that shit is weird and I seriously question that dude’s ideals.

Anyone who has a signed copy of Mein Kampf is absolutely Nazi obsessed. Imagine if Kagan's good buddy had a signed Bin Laden picture, Josh Hawley would be leading Insurrection Part 2 Electric Boogaloo (boys). There's certain things you should just not own.

 

[ab2cmiller]

From what I can tell, it does sound like he was required to disclose the transaction and he did not. I don't know what the punishment for that should be.

The rest of the story doesn't sound like much. Sold a house and 2 empty lots for $130,000. Shrug. Even his Mom staying in the house. Shrug.

The nazi collection stuff has nothing to do with the story, just click bait stuff. If you think that Thomas did something wrong and should be held to account, that headline distracts from the argument.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

🤷‍♂️

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

No that long ago

 

[IrishLax]

Will be interesting to follow. Maybe there is a good explanation, but on the surface this is quite suspicious.

 

[Irish#1]

No that long ago

Over a half century isn’t that far back? Lol. I suspect most posters on IE weren’t even born yet.

 

[Irish#1]

Will be interesting to follow. Maybe there is a good explanation, but on the surface this is quite suspicious.

Not a good look Clarence.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Justice Clarence Thomas reported up to $750,000 in income from a company that doesn’t exist

It never ends. The Washington Post is now reporting yet another oddity on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas' legally mandated financial disclosures. Since 2006 Thomas has reported somewhere between $270,000 and $750,000 from a family real estate company called Ginger, Ltd...

bit.ly

Keeps getting worse

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Over a half century isn’t that far back? Lol. I suspect most posters on IE weren’t even born yet.

Eh not really. The only real difference is volume of money and the lack of ethical standards.

 

[sixstar]

It's a big club but none of us are invited. Regular citizens play by regular rules. The others get away with things that would land us in jail. Remember that next time you put a public figure on a pedestal.

 

[drayer54]

Will be interesting to follow. Maybe there is a good explanation, but on the surface this is quite suspicious.

This is where a little scrutiny of what you read is important.
The goal of this is to throw mud at Thomas for political reasons.
As for the impact on democracy?
Think of all the people who personally relied on Justice Thomas’s declaration that he received income from a Nebraska limited partnership rather than income from a Nebraska limited liability company. The burden is huge. Imagine a DOJ attorney trying to argue that Justice Thomas committed tax fraud because he claimed income from “Ginger LTD” rather than “Ginger LLC” - a classic insurrectionist tax tactic, to some.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This is where a little scrutiny of what you read is important.
The goal of this is to throw mud at Thomas for political reasons.
As for the impact on democracy?
Think of all the people who personally relied on Justice Thomas’s declaration that he received income from a Nebraska limited partnership rather than income from a Nebraska limited liability company. The burden is huge. Imagine a DOJ attorney trying to argue that Justice Thomas committed tax fraud because he claimed income from “Ginger LTD” rather than “Ginger LLC” - a classic insurrectionist tax tactic, to some.

I find that Crow personally donating $500k to A group headed by Ginni Thomas ethically terrible. I also find it terrible that his wife, as a beneficiary of all these discrepancies and nondisclosures, was also politically lobbying and organizing people all over the country for the J6 insurrection. This is, at a minimum, ethically terrible and if he was supposed to ethically declare the money and didn’t but also broke federal laws then they should be held to account. We have those laws for a reason. Gifts to political people is restricted for a reason. These judges must be beyond reproach and show no deference to any one side as they are the last line of defense for our democracy. They must have the highest ethical standards and we have to believe they are acting with the utmost propriety to accept their rulings. These things definitely cast him into terrible light. His wife’s activities are absolute garbage and should not be happening. She should not be allowed to do the stuff she does at all.

You can’t tell me that there is simply no here- here between The Thomas’ and Crows political agenda. I agree proving it would be difficult.

 

[drayer54]

I find that Crow personally donating $500k to A group headed by Ginni Thomas ethically terrible. I also find it terrible that his wife, as a beneficiary of all these discrepancies and nondisclosures, was also politically lobbying and organizing people all over the country for the J6 insurrection. This is, at a minimum, ethically terrible and if he was supposed to ethically declare the money and didn’t but also broke federal laws then they should be held to account. We have those laws for a reason. Gifts to political people is restricted for a reason. These judges must be beyond reproach and show no deference to any one side as they are the last line of defense for our democracy. They must have the highest ethical standards and we have to believe they are acting with the utmost propriety to accept their rulings. These things definitely cast him into terrible light. His wife’s activities are absolute garbage and should not be happening. She should not be allowed to do the stuff she does at all.

You can’t tell me that there is simply no here- here between The Thomas’ and Crows political agenda. I agree proving it would be difficult.

Can I prove that Hansjörg Wyss, a Swiss billionaire, dumping boatloads of money into American left-wing politics through places like Arabella Advisors, 1630 Fund, toward Demand Justice, who lobbied hard for our latest SCOTUS judge and is the former home of several in the Biden Admin isn't questionable? What about the Clinton Global Initiative spiking donations during the 2016 election? What laws did he break? The LTD vs LLC disaster? This is a tactic to smear Thomas. That's what the left wants to do- smear and throw mud at an institution they don't control. They want to turn that court into a stamp for unconstitutional actions, and this is how they are doing it- by trying to de-legitimize the court and make it OK for Biden to ignore them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Can I prove that Hansjörg Wyss, a Swiss billionaire, dumping boatloads of money into American left-wing politics through places like Arabella Advisors, 1630 Fund, toward Demand Justice, who lobbied hard for our latest SCOTUS judge and is the former home of several in the Biden Admin isn't questionable? What about the Clinton Global Initiative spiking donations during the 2016 election? What laws did he break? The LTD vs LLC disaster? This is a tactic to smear Thomas. That's what the left wants to do- smear and throw mud at an institution they don't control. They want to turn that court into a stamp for unconstitutional actions, and this is how they are doing it- by trying to de-legitimize the court and make it OK for Biden to ignore them.

If he broke the law and people found out about then it’s not a smear. If other broke the law then they should be punished as well. This isn’t hard to understand. I want to know if the final arbiters of our democracy are corrupt that includes anyone of any political pursuasion. There should be no question of things he his clearly not disclosing.

This makes me seriously question his true rationale for Cotizens United which they rules that money is speech and doesn’t in any way constitute even a semblance of bribery. That’s bullshit and we all know it that accepting gifts and donating money to reinforce favorable policies is essentially legalized bribery. If money is speech and he was being provide with undisclosed and excessively large things of monetary value then that is definitely a red flag on his credit ability. Anyones creditability. He was essentially being lobbied and took money from a person who has been heavily involved in a specific political direction. The same guy also has contributed to Sinema and Munchin on the regular.

 

[NorthDakota]

Can I prove that Hansjörg Wyss, a Swiss billionaire, dumping boatloads of money into American left-wing politics through places like Arabella Advisors, 1630 Fund, toward Demand Justice, who lobbied hard for our latest SCOTUS judge and is the former home of several in the Biden Admin isn't questionable? What about the Clinton Global Initiative spiking donations during the 2016 election? What laws did he break? The LTD vs LLC disaster? This is a tactic to smear Thomas. That's what the left wants to do- smear and throw mud at an institution they don't control. They want to turn that court into a stamp for unconstitutional actions, and this is how they are doing it- by trying to de-legitimize the court and make it OK for Biden to ignore them.

As soon as I saw the "Ltd. v. LLC" thing, I don't know if my eyes could have rolled harder.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I guess claiming ignorance will be how all this clears up. I also saw he may be allowed to amend his disclosures over the last ten years. SMH

His wife is a political activist for right wing people and gets paid very well for that. I’m sure her activism with business before the court and top tier access to a SCOTUS judge is totally on the up and up.

 

[Irish#1]

Even though we've been married for 50 years, my wife and I still don't agree on everything and our actions/beliefs don't always effect each others decisions. In fact my wife would probably tell you I never listen to her. lol

I thought she was involved with the legislature side? Cack, since you're the one inferring her work is directly effecting Judge Thomas's decisions, can you supply two or three cases that were argued in front of the SC where her firm and who they represented were the primary beneficiaries?

 

[drayer54]

As soon as I saw the "Ltd. v. LLC" thing, I don't know if my eyes could have rolled harder.

Clearly a constitutional crisis. Demands retirement.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Now Durkin has asked Chief Roberts to come befor Congress.

I am sure Roberts is not happy with Thomas.

Thomas comes off as arrogant.

 

[drayer54]

Now Durkin has asked Chief Roberts to come befor Congress.

I am sure Roberts is not happy with Thomas.

Thomas comes off as arrogant.

Roberts would defend any judge on that court against any Senator.

 

[GoIrish41]

Roberts would defend any judge on that court against any Senator.

Maybe he should be investigated too, then. Willingness to protect a colleague who breaks the law seems antithetical to being a judge on any court, wouldn’t it?

 

[NorthDakota]

Maybe he should be investigated too, then. Willingness to protect a colleague who breaks the law seems antithetical to being a judge on any court, wouldn’t it?

"Breaks the law" lol

 

[TorontoGold]

"Breaks the law" lol

In terms of tax law knowledge, when you're going through law school how much of the curriculum is spent on that? I'm guessing you'd obviously have to specialize in finance/business law, but is there a mandatory level you need to have?

When it comes to the Supreme Court Justices how good is their level of tax law knowledge? I know the SCOC does see tax cases pretty often. Are the SCOTUS justices like the Jon Jones of law and have S tier level knowledge in all areas?

Is the reason we don't hear about those types of cases because of a the lack of shine they get in the media, or because it's tougher for them to hit the SCOTUS docket?

That concludes my Q&A on tax law, thank you. lol

 

[Irishdrunk]

In terms of tax law knowledge, when you're going through law school how much of the curriculum is spent on that? I'm guessing you'd obviously have to specialize in finance/business law, but is there a mandatory level you need to have?

When it comes to the Supreme Court Justices how good is their level of tax law knowledge? I know the SCOC does see tax cases pretty often. Are the SCOTUS justices like the Jon Jones of law and have S tier level knowledge in all areas?

Is the reason we don't hear about those types of cases because of a the lack of shine they get in the media, or because it's tougher for them to hit the SCOTUS docket?

That concludes my Q&A on tax law, thank you. lol

I am sorry but it sounds like total BS on Thomas's part. He went to Yale Law School and the Supreme Court deals with tax court appeals from the USTC. I am sure they all have CPAs and Ethics Clerks. I am conservative but this is not a good look for him at all. And its not like this came out of the blue, Thomas has had issues with disclosures in the past. Roberts should be pissed. Not sure there is anything that can be done other than it looks bad on Thomas and the USSC.

 

[NorthDakota]

In terms of tax law knowledge, when you're going through law school how much of the curriculum is spent on that? I'm guessing you'd obviously have to specialize in finance/business law, but is there a mandatory level you need to have?

When it comes to the Supreme Court Justices how good is their level of tax law knowledge? I know the SCOC does see tax cases pretty often. Are the SCOTUS justices like the Jon Jones of law and have S tier level knowledge in all areas?

Is the reason we don't hear about those types of cases because of a the lack of shine they get in the media, or because it's tougher for them to hit the SCOTUS docket?

That concludes my Q&A on tax law, thank you. lol

I took a couple elective tax classes. Fed income being the starter course. I took it because I have a basic background in that so it would be an easy class. But no tax classes are required. I think about 1/3-1/2 of us took a tax class.

In terms of a SCOTUS justice, I have no idea what they know/dont know. Some of them might like it and know a bit more. Different skill sets and all that.

I dont recall reading many tax cases that got to SCOTUS. I couldn't tell ya the reason for that being true/untrue. Would defer to those who do tax law regularly.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Even though we've been married for 50 years, my wife and I still don't agree on everything and our actions/beliefs don't always effect each others decisions. In fact my wife would probably tell you I never listen to her. lol

I thought she was involved with the legislature side? Cack, since you're the one inferring her work is directly effecting Judge Thomas's decisions, can you supply two or three cases that were argued in front of the SC where her firm and who they represented were the primary beneficiaries?

Well considering she is not required to disclose her conflicts convieniently they are not on record and I never said she did explicitly. She has a consulting firm that has worked with Leonard Leo who should be well know to you conservatives.

Anyway this is a good interview to why it’s bad to have a very antidemocratic and politically active spouse of a SCOTUS.

Ginni Thomas-Led Conservative Group Reportedly Raised $600,000—But We Don’t Know Who From

The anonymous donations are the latest in a series of potential ethics concerns surrounding Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’ wife.

www.forbes.com

theee large sums of money are not just being given away without expectations or some return. I can’t believe that is the way it works. Here is $600k. Have a great day Ginni.

And as you say about her being involved in the legislative side…. Sure I guess she is but legislation Is constantly challenged and when your husband is one of the majority final arbiters of a legislation interpretation, a good investment for someone who wants the legislation to pass final review would be smart to know what kind of arguments would be convincing to said final arbiter. Who knows his mind better than his (your) wife? Could $600k buy you insight into Thomas’ thinking through her consulting firm that is essentially not required to disclose its clients?

It’s an extremely plausible expectation of corruption and our highest judges in the land should be completely free from any sense or corruption. The Thomas’s have pushed this honor code to its breaking point considereing she was very active in organizing as part of Jan6 activities and she is also reportedly convinced the election was stolen.

Before y’all continue to put words in my mouth I have not said anything about there being corruption but the even the appearance of corruption, could lead to distrust in their rulings and our democracy requires trust in thier ability to fairly rule on questions before them. Just because they are on the court should not shield them from any scrutiny or accountability. They should be held to the same level of integrity and ethics as EVERY OTHER JUDGE IN AMERICA IS HELD TO.

 

[drayer54]

Well considering she is not required to disclose her conflicts convieniently they are not on record and I never said she did explicitly. She has a consulting firm that has worked with Leonard Leo who should be well know to you conservatives.

Anyway this is a good interview to why it’s bad to have a very antidemocratic and politically active spouse of a SCOTUS.

Ginni Thomas-Led Conservative Group Reportedly Raised $600,000—But We Don’t Know Who From

The anonymous donations are the latest in a series of potential ethics concerns surrounding Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’ wife.

www.forbes.com

theee large sums of money are not just being given away without expectations or some return. I can’t believe that is the way it works. Here is $600k. Have a great day Ginni.

And as you say about her being involved in the legislative side…. Sure I guess she is but legislation Is constantly challenged and when your husband is one of the majority final arbiters of a legislation interpretation, a good investment for someone who wants the legislation to pass final review would be smart to know what kind of arguments would be convincing to said final arbiter. Who knows his mind better than his (your) wife? Could $600k buy you insight into Thomas’ thinking through her consulting firm that is essentially not required to disclose its clients?

It’s an extremely plausible expectation of corruption and our highest judges in the land should be completely free from any sense or corruption. The Thomas’s have pushed this honor code to its breaking point considereing she was very active in organizing as part of Jan6 activities and she is also reportedly convinced the election was stolen.

Before y’all continue to put words in my mouth I have not said anything about there being corruption but the even the appearance of corruption, could lead to distrust in their rulings and our democracy requires trust in thier ability to fairly rule on questions before them. Just because they are on the court should not shield them from any scrutiny or accountability. They should be held to the same level of integrity and ethics as EVERY OTHER JUDGE IN AMERICA IS HELD TO.

She has as many convictions as Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and less weird wire transfers. Nobody gives a shit about this smear campaign but left wing loonies.