‘23 VA ATH Brandyn Hillman (Michigan Verbal)

[irishog77]

So because Vanderbilt admitted guys who would eventually go on to rape, threaten to rape or commit various felonies, that is an indictment on their admission process?

You realize that ND has admitted those type of guys before. Does Cierre Wood ring any bells?

There's no telling what a guy is going to do after he is admitted.

No. Not what I said.

 

[Crazy Balki]

No. Not what I said.

Then what exactly are you saying?

Why bring up that shitbag tangent if it didn't really factor into the whole admissions discussion?

 

[T-Boone]

It’s hard to be too upset with the off-season when we landed the best QB we’ve had in ages.
All we need is Price to also be fully recovered and I think we can win everything.

 

[T-Boone]

Nobody is saying that we should be like Alabama and LSU and OSU.

How does Vanderbilt sound? Or Boston College or Virginia? Those are peers. And there is just no excuse to be turning down players that these schools are willing to admit.

Vanderbilt is ELITE. It is upper crust. It is ranked 13th nationally while ND is 19th. Check out this comparison.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/compare/1840-3535/university-of-notre-dame-vs-vanderbilt

This is why so many are pissed and frustrated on all of the sites. ND isnt even trying to work with the football program.

Marcus needs to recruit the Vanderbilt board of trustees as grad transfers.

 

[T-Boone]

If Hartman is everything advertised, Price fully recovers, Rubio and bortello explode into legit elite talent and Prince Kollie, and a coupe of the DBs become elite then I think we can win it all

 

[irishog77]

Then what exactly are you saying?

Why bring up that shitbag tangent if it didn't really factor into the whole admissions discussion?

Reread the posts regarding Ron Mercer, Drew Maddux, Peabody college, the multiple former football players I know, the 2 people in the current AD office I know, the multiple football coaches I know (past and present), my response to ndfanatic, the root causes of vandy’s lack of success in football, that Vandy is still tougher than other sec schools to get into, and all my other posts regarding vandy, etc., etc., etc. As well as my multiple posts regarding ND admissions and football players.

Instead of trying to put words into my mouth, read the words I actually said.

Keep willing to believe Vandy is some sort of standard bearer for admissions excellence in the world of major college football. Or don’t. Either way, I’m done with you, guy. Try and get into an argument with some 8 year old or random coworker instead. Or talk to yourself about this. Or write a manifesto.

 

[Irishdrunk]

If Hartman is everything advertised, Price fully recovers, Rubio and bortello explode into legit elite talent and Prince Kollie, and a coupe of the DBs become elite then I think we can win it all

You forgot seasoned coaching too....

 

[Crazy Balki]

If Hartman is everything advertised, Price fully recovers, Rubio and bortello explode into legit elite talent and Prince Kollie, and a coupe of the DBs become elite then I think we can win it all

That's a lot of ifs.

I can see Hartman being a stud as advertised and Price recovering fully. Botelho could explode, because he looked to have emerged late last year. But Rubio and Kollie, along with couple more DBs all becoming elite is probably a stretch.

And Rubio becoming elite is probably more crucial than all of them (sans Hartman), because we seriously need size at DT. We can't expect to be a stout run defense if our nose is Cross again playing at 6'1 280. He's a good run defender, but not good enough to fully overcome his lack of size for the position.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Reread the posts regarding Ron Mercer, Drew Maddux, Peabody college, the multiple former football players I know, the 2 people in the current AD office I know, the multiple football coaches I know (past and present), my response to ndfanatic, the root causes of vandy’s lack of success in football, that Vandy is still tougher than other sec schools to get into, and all my other posts regarding vandy, etc., etc., etc. As well as my multiple posts regarding ND admissions and football players.

Instead of trying to put words into my mouth, read the words I actually said.

Keep willing to believe Vandy is some sort of standard bearer for admissions excellence in the world of major college football. Or don’t. Either way, I’m done with you, guy. Try and get into an argument with some 8 year old or random coworker instead. Or talk to yourself about this. Or write a manifesto.

I read those posts.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I, like others on here, are not buying what you're selling.

You've basically anchored yourself to the idea that Vanderbilt is willing to accept several shit-bag semi-illiterate student athletes.

But your basis for this is that you know people who went to Vanderbilt and your family worked at Vanderbilt. Cool. But you bring up examples from decades ago...back when ND was ALSO making far greater exceptions than they currently are. So your information seems rather dated.

And even then, Vanderbilt isn't the only school with high academic prestige that reached out. So what? Is ND the ONLY school in the CFB world that hasn't sold its soul to the devil?

I hold ND in high regard, but even I have a hard time believing that. And even if this is true, I see no benefit to that.

Either you're wrong and ND is being wholly elitist and getting in its own way.

Or you're right and ND is STILL getting in its own way, because those schools tend to give their "semi-illiterate shit bag" athletes a quality education, despite bending the rules for them a bit more than ND.

 

[irishog77]

I read those posts.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I, like others on here, are not buying what you're selling.

You've basically anchored yourself to the idea that Vanderbilt is willing to accept several shit-bag semi-illiterate student athletes.

But your basis for this is that you know people who went to Vanderbilt and your family worked at Vanderbilt. Cool. But you bring up examples from decades ago...back when ND was ALSO making far greater exceptions than they currently are. So your information seems rather dated.

And even then, Vanderbilt isn't the only school with high academic prestige that reached out. So what? Is ND the ONLY school in the CFB world that hasn't sold its soul to the devil?

I hold ND in high regard, but even I have a hard time believing that. And even if this is true, I see no benefit to that.

Either you're wrong and ND is being wholly elitist and getting in its own way.

Or you're right and ND is STILL getting in its own way, because those schools tend to give their "semi-illiterate shit bag" athletes a quality education, despite bending the rules for them a bit more than ND.

 

[Crazy Balki]

View attachment 3053157

Whatever dude.

Don't blame me when you opened this can of worms up and did a shit job defending it.

 

[irishog77]

Whatever dude.

Don't blame me when you opened this can of worms up and did a shit job defending it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It’s hard to be too upset with the off-season when we landed the best QB we’ve had in ages.
All we need is Price to also be fully recovered and I think we can win everything.

Easy to forget how it started, too.

Look, the last time the team actually played football, they beat an SEC team in a bowl game. Like, actual football. Not recruiting bullshit drama.

 

[dublinirish]

Visiting SCUM this weekend

 

[stlnd01]

Visiting SCUM this weekend

F*ck. This is tiresome.

 

[Irishdrunk]

What a crap fuck that would be if he goes to UM. If so, another screw up.

 

[T-Boone]

Is ND a better school than Michigan? How would he get in there but not ND?

 

[stlnd01]

Is ND a better school than Michigan? How would he get in there but not ND?

Yes? ND definitely has more stringent admissions requirements. Michigan will have you think they're the Harvard of public universities but it's not that simple. Of course we make it too complicated as well. Either way - and no matter who's at fault here - it sucks that they're going to scoop up another (potentially) good football player that we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't take.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Is ND a better school than Michigan? How would he get in there but not ND?

Without a doubt. Michigan has great grad programs but ND is a much better school overall

 

[T-Boone]

Without a doubt. Michigan has great grad programs but ND is a much better school overall

Do neutrals agree with that?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Do neutrals agree with that?

I found this:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/compare/9092-1840/university-of-michigan-ann-arbor-vs-university-of-notre-dame

 

[IrishTusker]

It has nothing to do with rankings. It has to do with whether any admissions requirements apply to athletes, or not. At most FBS schools, including "prestigious" schools, they do not.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Without a doubt. Michigan has great grad programs but ND is a much better school overall

And SCUM is doing better in football too.

I think Jack Savvy love torturing Freeman.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

come on guys. both us and michigan are solid tier 2 institutions, like our other peers vanderbilt, cornell, and georgetown. we can stroke ourselves and say we're a better school but anyone honest knows it's a wash. that said nd is definitely harder to get into as an undergraduate, but that doesn't mean it's a better school (and until now I hoped that didn't extend to the football team) - duke and dartmouth, for example, are WAY harder to get into that ND, but aren't better schools.

Academics rant aside, it should be really concerning michigan can get guys in that we can't.

 

[NorthDakota]

come on guys. both us and michigan are solid tier 2 institutions, like our other peers vanderbilt, cornell, and georgetown. we can stroke ourselves and say we're a better school but anyone honest knows it's a wash. that said nd is definitely harder to get into as an undergraduate, but that doesn't mean it's a better school (and until now I hoped that didn't extend to the football team) - duke and dartmouth, for example, are WAY harder to get into that ND, but aren't better schools.

Academics rant aside, it should be really concerning michigan can get guys in that we can't.

Michigan will let folks in because they are a state school. They let plenty of "meh" people in. They also got all the borderline trade school degrees that go with being a state school. Nothing wrong with that, I have a state school degree, NDSU is probably akin to a MAC school academically other than our engineering and Ag.

But I'm with you. You can get as good an education at Michigan as you can basically anywhere. Including Harvard, Yale, etc. Its a very good school.

Notre Dame though is different. Probably best to look at ND with fellow prominent privates I think. In terms of the athletes, it seems a bit like an Ivy. My cousin ran at Columbia with a sub-30 ACT. I'm guessing ND would have been fine with that as well.

Michigan (and other great schools) can funnel you into a ton of silly degrees. Does ND have a bunch of trade school-ish degrees?

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

Michigan will let folks in because they are a state school. They let plenty of "meh" people in. They also got all the borderline trade school degrees that go with being a state school. Nothing wrong with that, I have a state school degree, NDSU is probably akin to a MAC school academically other than our engineering and Ag.

But I'm with you. You can get as good an education at Michigan as you can basically anywhere. Including Harvard, Yale, etc. Its a very good school.

Notre Dame though is different. Probably best to look at ND with fellow prominent privates I think. In terms of the athletes, it seems a bit like an Ivy. My cousin ran at Columbia with a sub-30 ACT. I'm guessing ND would have been fine with that as well.

Michigan (and other great schools) can funnel you into a ton of silly degrees. Does ND have a bunch of trade school-ish degrees?

The football players tend to cluster into Film, Theatre, and Television (FTT) majors, or at least they did when I was there.

And yes, Michigan is somewhat easier to get into than ND because of its size and public orientation, but again, it's a fantastic school.

Notre Dame in terms of academic profile and results for graduates is very similar to the lower tier Ivies of Dartmouth, Cornell, and Brown. Columbia is like a half-step up, Harvard a full step.

But about the anecdote with your cousin. I've heard lots of stories of, say, Yale hockey players with like a 23 on their ACT. Compared to ND football an Ivy League hockey program is an absolute fart in terms of revenue, fanbase, anything, but they're willing to cut those kinds of corners.

For that reason one of me and my friend's first impulses was that Brandyn must have been ridiculously lazy academically - like he didn't show up to English class for three months or something like that. The bar to get these guys in academically, we thought, has gotta be so absurdly low. But the serious interest from Michigan seems to be indicating it may be an ND specific problem. I don't know.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The football players tend to cluster into Film, Theatre, and Television (FTT) majors, or at least they did when I was there.

And yes, Michigan is somewhat easier to get into than ND because of its size and public orientation, but again, it's a fantastic school.

Notre Dame in terms of academic profile and results for graduates is very similar to the lower tier Ivies of Dartmouth, Cornell, and Brown. Columbia is like a half-step up, Harvard a full step.

But about the anecdote with your cousin. I've heard lots of stories of, say, Yale hockey players with like a 23 on their ACT. Compared to ND football an Ivy League hockey program is an absolute fart in terms of revenue, fanbase, anything, but they're willing to cut those kinds of corners.

For that reason one of me and my friend's first impulses was that Brandyn must have been ridiculously lazy academically - like he didn't show up to English class for three months or something like that. The bar to get these guys in academically, we thought, has gotta be so absurdly low. But the serious interest from Michigan seems to be indicating it may be an ND specific problem. I don't know.

This sounds like the path of David Terrell…

 

[NorthDakota]

For that reason one of me and my friend's first impulses was that Brandyn must have been ridiculously lazy academically - like he didn't show up to English class for three months or something like that. The bar to get these guys in academically, we thought, has gotta be so absurdly low. But the serious interest from Michigan seems to be indicating it may be an ND specific problem. I don't know.

That or he is just not there academically. I'd lean toward the former. I can't imagine it's hard to dot your I's and cross your T's but I'm not in his shoes. Not gonna judge the kid

 

[irishandy]

I find it interesting that Hillman is getting big time offers since he has backed off his NLI.

Why wasn't he getting these offers before ND?

Am I understanding correctly that he couldn't get into ND?

 

[Irish du Nord]

The football players tend to cluster into Film, Theatre, and Television (FTT) majors, or at least they did when I was there.

And yes, Michigan is somewhat easier to get into than ND because of its size and public orientation, but again, it's a fantastic school.

Notre Dame in terms of academic profile and results for graduates is very similar to the lower tier Ivies of Dartmouth, Cornell, and Brown. Columbia is like a half-step up, Harvard a full step.

But about the anecdote with your cousin. I've heard lots of stories of, say, Yale hockey players with like a 23 on their ACT. Compared to ND football an Ivy League hockey program is an absolute fart in terms of revenue, fanbase, anything, but they're willing to cut those kinds of corners.

For that reason one of me and my friend's first impulses was that Brandyn must have been ridiculously lazy academically - like he didn't show up to English class for three months or something like that. The bar to get these guys in academically, we thought, has gotta be so absurdly low. But the serious interest from Michigan seems to be indicating it may be an ND specific problem. I don't know.

There are anecdotes about that at ND. For hockey and other sports, including football. I think it’s safe to say that Hillman’s issue isn’t a 23 on the ACT