Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[ColinKSU]

"Brother we ain't getting to that #1 spot by spending money."

- Jack

 

[ab2cmiller]

6 Thoughts on a Thursday

Thoughts on the chaotic week caused by Ludwig buyout debacle, how the athletic department needs to respond to support Marcus Freeman and the program, why at least Notre Dame's coaching staff can now be aligned under Freeman, and more

t.co

Jamie spitting exactly what I was thinking with regards to Ludwig:



It was confusing from the beginning to me to see people head over heels over a run game with a limiting passing attack, something we all agree is setting us a part from a true contender.

Article was worth the read to digest his other 5 thoughts as well. Some pretty good insights.

 

[NDohio]

Put this is the wrong thread...

I wonder which situation would have had the biggest negative reaction from the fan base:

A. TR goes to Bama and three days later Parker is announced as the new OC.

B. Freeman reaches out to a number of potential OC candidates and ends up hiring Parker.

C. Freeman reaches out to a number of OC candidates - even brings a few onto campus to interview - does NOT take Ludwig to the hockey game and ends up hiring Parker.

D. What actually happened...

 

[ab2cmiller]

Three programs worth less than ND yet have competed for national championships recently on a yearly basis. I realize ND has tougher admissions/academic standards but it shouldn’t hamstring them this much.

Curious about the vast difference between Michigan and pOSU. Rankings are by Football Revenue. Both part of the Big Ten Network revenue windfall. Just doesn't seem to make much sense.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Put this is the wrong thread...

I wonder which situation would have had the biggest negative reaction from the fan base:

A. TR goes to Bama and three days later Parker is announced as the new OC.

B. Freeman reaches out to a number of potential OC candidates and ends up hiring Parker.

C. Freeman reaches out to a number of OC candidates - even brings a few onto campus to interview - does NOT take Ludwig to the hockey game and ends up hiring Parker.

D. What actually happened...

D, A, B, C

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

6 Thoughts on a Thursday

Thoughts on the chaotic week caused by Ludwig buyout debacle, how the athletic department needs to respond to support Marcus Freeman and the program, why at least Notre Dame's coaching staff can now be aligned under Freeman, and more

t.co

Jamie spitting exactly what I was thinking with regards to Ludwig:



It was confusing from the beginning to me to see people head over heels over a run game with a limiting passing attack, something we all agree is setting us a part from a true contender.

Hartman could have broken through that for 2023, but it wasn’t long term something that screamed home run.

So maybe I'm reading too much into this, but part of what concerns me about Freeman is that he gets a lot of advice from Lou Holtz and Jim Tressel. Those are old school offensive minds who won National Championships quite a long time ago.

It give me pause, and maybe I'm wrong and there is no reason for it, but it makes me wonder.

 

[SoIll]

Reading that makes me even feel better about Ludwig not being an absolute savant that some people pointed him out to be. Hell lets be honest, 90% of us here didn't even know who the hell the guy was before his name dropped. I am not sure there was a homerun on the list of leaked names compared to the possibilities a month or so ago. Longo needed to be the guy and that wasn't going to happen once he left for Wisconsin.

The timing of Rees leaving killed this whole operation. ND royally screwed a lot of shit up, but maybe, just maybe Parker will be fine.

Parker, we'll see. But Watt surely ain't fuckin it.

 

[thekid33]

Parker, we'll see. But Watt surely ain't fuckin it.

This is where I am at.

Parker is done. No choice but to root for his success. I certainly don't hold it against him that he got offered the OC position at ND.

 

[irishff1014]

Reading that makes me even feel better about Ludwig not being an absolute savant that some people pointed him out to be. Hell lets be honest, 90% of us here didn't even know who the hell the guy was before his name dropped. Hell I am not sure there was a homerun on the list of leaked names compared to the possibilities a month or so ago. Longo needed to be the guy and that wasn't going to happen once he left for Wisconsin.

The timing of Rees leaving killed this whole operation. ND royally screwed a lot of shit up, but maybe, just maybe Parker will be fine.

Parker, we'll see. But Watt surely ain't fuckin it.

Extra reason to hope he doesn't do well.

 

[irishog77]

Referring to Swarbrick as Brick is an insult to the legendary Brick.

Until your post, I thought all of the references to Brick were...well, references to Brick. Not Jack.

I think that's just another changing of the guard moments on IE and why I generally only pop back in on big news cycles anymore. In the glory days, it would have been blasphemy to refer to Jack Swarbrick as the legend on here, and posters would have been beaten down and shown the error of their ways.

 

[USAF Irish12]

Does anybody know what Utah homies are saying about Ludwig? He must be so pissed. He took a big hit in credibility.

 

[Dale]

Does anybody know what Utah homies are saying about Ludwig? He must be so pissed. He took a big hit in credibility.

I think the predominate opinion is he’s now an OC Notre Dame wanted but could not afford.

I don’t think his stock has ever been higher.

 

[Dale]

Contains NDs version of events

“Some form of the above story will be addressed in Notre Dame’s soon-to-be released statement and by Marcus Freeman Monday, Feb. 20, when he meets with the media. Notre Dame expects to have an announcement of its offensive coordinator plans Friday, Feb. 17.”

Prister’s Thursday Thoughts

Prister’s Thursday Thoughts

247sports.com

 

[Crazy Balki]

This is a big reason why I'm not overly sweating the Parker hire. All the crap surrounding it is a different story.

But none of the names that were being thrown out there were really all that enticing.

Ludwig was far and away my favorite but as Jamie pointed out, even he wasn't this insane offensive guru. His work at Utah has been impressive, being able to physically impose their will in the run game, but the lack of explosiveness definitely is something to consider. And Utah is really all he's had in terms of offensive success. He had some quality offenses at Wisconsin, but he's had his tenures where his offenses were nothing special.

The rest? Meh. I think Klein is a good offensive mind, but I just get really weird vibes from his personality. Not a guy I think makes a strong impression in recruits' houses. He also has a whopping 1 year of play calling experience. Moorhead has experience, but outside of his 2-year stint at Penn State, his offenses at Oregon were...okay. And at Penn State, he had a transcendental talent in Saquon Barkley to work with. Candle was an interesting name, but he's only really coached at Toledo. That's all he knows. And he's already turned down Miami twice. How much interest would he have had to take a demotion? Lewis is a hot name, but from many accounts, there was an issue with fit regarding his scheme.

Overall, Freeman was already behind the 8-ball with having the fill this position this late in the process. So many of the big name OC's were already off the table. Then the admin throws him under the bus with this whole fiasco.

The one thing I like about this is you have good cohesion with guys who Freeman knows he can trust to run the offense he wants. A lot will depend on the OL coach hire. Really hope they don't just plug in Watt and call it a day.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think the predominate opinion is he’s now an OC Notre Dame wanted but could not afford.

I don’t think his stock has ever been higher.

Without question.

Two weeks ago hardly anyone knew who he was. Now millions of people know, and the rest of college football knows what it will take to hire him.

Even OL coach Harding comes away arrow up after all of this.

I say screw it and try to hire Harding as OL coach. He says no, so what.

 

[sfk324]

So maybe I'm reading too much into this, but part of what concerns me about Freeman is that he gets a lot of advice from Lou Holtz and Jim Tressel. Those are old school offensive minds who won National Championships quite a long time ago.

It give me pause, and maybe I'm wrong and there is no reason for it, but it makes me wonder.

If it helps, I think he's getting more general advice than what seems to be implied by your concerns. In the context of a coaching search, it's not what kind of system should I run, it's considering things like: do I only want someone who fits within the program as a whole, or should I consider someone who may have a different perspective so that we don't get too comfortable with each other and develop blind spots; make sure to consider whether you can trust this person to be honest with you for good or bad; if you can't get a person who fits both short and long term goals, how should you weigh those options; how can you navigate the politics of a college administration more successfully?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If it helps, I think he's getting more general advice than what seems to be implied by your concerns. In the context of a coaching search, it's not what kind of system should I run, it's considering things like: do I only want someone who fits within the program as a whole, or should I consider someone who may have a different perspective so that we don't get too comfortable with each other and develop blind spots; make sure to consider whether you can trust this person to be honest with you for good or bad; if you can't get a person who fits both short and long term goals, how should you weigh those options; how can you navigate the politics of a college administration more successfully?

I suspect you are right. If he's getting general leadership advice from those guys, that's fine, but the idea that they are going to be a ground and pound offense with game managing QBs can't be what leads this program into the 2020s. Regardless of all the other obstacles the program faces that have been stated ad nauseum, you can have a modern passing attack even though you won't pay a $3M buyout for an OC.

 

[Dale]

So ND has their version of events. It is one that Dinich, Prister and others have now hinted at or told. While also some of the beat have also basically admitted it’s PR/spin from ND. A interesting aftermath to play out. Parker is all but hired. But now the PR war is still ongoing on Ludwig, and you see who jumps to which side.

 

[irish2104]

Well we will see who is telling the truth by there actions… if ND significantly invests in program then they are backing there claims.. if not then Utah prob more accurate

 

[irishff1014]

So ND has their version of events. It is one that Dinich, Prister and others have now hinted at or told. While also some of the beat have also basically admitted it’s PR/spin from ND. A interesting aftermath to play out. Parker is all but hired. But now the PR war is still ongoing on Ludwig, and you see who jumps to which side.

It’s just brining more bad PR to ND. Now way ND wins this. Just cut your losses and go on.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

It’s just brining more bad PR to ND. Now way ND wins this. Just cut your losses and go on.

They let the story go way to far down the train track to now spin this yarn.. They need to do a mea culpa, and LEARN FROM IT. Support Marcus, and show a change of attitude.

I also am waiting for my new flying pony, which is as likely as ND doing the above.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Reading that makes me even feel better about Ludwig not being an absolute savant that some people pointed him out to be. Hell lets be honest, 90% of us here didn't even know who the hell the guy was before his name dropped. I am not sure there was a homerun on the list of leaked names compared to the possibilities a month or so ago. Longo needed to be the guy and that wasn't going to happen once he left for Wisconsin.

The timing of Rees leaving killed this whole operation. ND royally screwed a lot of shit up, but maybe, just maybe Parker will be fine.

Parker, we'll see. But Watt surely ain't fuckin it.

Where I’m at^

I was never sold on Brigham Von Beethoven anyways, no way is he worth $5M+

 

[USAF Irish12]

Without question.

Two weeks ago hardly anyone knew who he was. Now millions of people know, and the rest of college football knows what it will take to hire him.

Even OL coach Harding comes away arrow up after all of this.

I say screw it and try to hire Harding as OL coach. He says no, so what.

Whether his stock is high or not: he tried to leave his school. He’s got some bridges to mend in Utah.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Whether his stock is high or not: he tried to leave his school. He’s got some bridges to mend in Utah.

So Notre Dame Screwed over 2 schools in the process. Savvy Jack indeed

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Contains NDs version of events

“Some form of the above story will be addressed in Notre Dame’s soon-to-be released statement and by Marcus Freeman Monday, Feb. 20, when he meets with the media. Notre Dame expects to have an announcement of its offensive coordinator plans Friday, Feb. 17.”

Prister’s Thursday Thoughts

Prister’s Thursday Thoughts

247sports.com

What a shock……there are details that we on the outside were not privy to. I know we can all choose to believe what we’d like but this certainly appears believable. This is why some patience can be a positive rather than jumping to conclusions.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Whether his stock is high or not: he tried to leave his school. He’s got some bridges to mend in Utah.

So Notre Dame Screwed over 2 schools in the process. Savvy Jack indeed

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Quick question, maybe someone can answer. Does anyone have any info on what other schools have paid for coordinator buyouts? I know they pay off fired HC, but I can’t remember anyone paying for a coordinator.

 

[Dale]

Quick question, maybe someone can answer. Does anyone have any info on what other schools have paid for coordinator buyouts? I know they pay off fired HC, but I can’t remember anyone paying for a coordinator.

It is usually less than $1 million.

I would actually be surprised if anyone has ever paid $3.8 million in non HC buyouts.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

It is usually less than $1 million.

I would actually be surprised if anyone has ever paid $3.8 million in non HC buyouts.

Thank you my man. That’s a pretty substantial difference. I appreciate the insight

 

[dankgesang]

I’ve yet to see one post justify the hire. It happened. What are we supposed to do, stop supporting the team?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think if you took a survey of the people in your life that you respect that also don't spend 40h/week on a football message board, then yes. They would in fact urge you, under the circumstances, to get a fucking life. Which probably means stepping away from Notre Dame stuff for awhile. Think of it as self-care.