‘18 IN DL Braden Fiske (Florida State Verbal)

[ColinKSU]

Let's be honest tho - Freeman is only saying that because he has no choice. You think if some ND-approved collective backed the BRINKS truck up to the Gug and said, "go get us a top-5 class" Freeman would decline? You think he wouldn't have fought for Keeley or Mpemba or even Fiske? Let's be real. I'm sure Freeman's saying much different things when cameras aren't rolling.

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Of course. You’d be an absolute fool to think Marcus is happy that this is the handcuffs Notre Dame put on his recruiting efforts.

 

[ThePiombino]

Of course. You’d be an absolute fool to think Marcus is happy that this is the handcuffs Notre Dame put on his recruiting efforts.

Absolutely. And this is why I wouldn't blame him for bouncing after a couple more years of this. If he can be even remotely successful (in recruiting and on the field) with his hands tied behind his back, imagine what he could do somewhere that the admin actually gives a shit about its moneymaker.

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[indianamouse]

Let's be honest tho - Freeman is only saying that because he has no choice. You think if some ND-approved collective backed the BRINKS truck up to the Gug and said, "go get us a top-5 class" Freeman would decline? You think he wouldn't have fought for Keeley or Mpemba or even Fiske? Let's be real. I'm sure Freeman's saying much different things when cameras aren't rolling.

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Are you sure about that? Because everything I have heard about Freeman is that he is a pretty honest and down to earth guy. I trust everything he says until proven otherwise.

 

[arahop]

Jaylen Sneed was a composite 5-star.

Several ND players have benefitted greatly from FUND. ND is giving their players every oppourtunity to make incentives off of NIL through FUND.

They are benefiting, just not as much as the other schools.
Moore he gone
Bowen he gone
Keeley he gone
Fiske he gone.

 

[arahop]

See I agree with Freeman on this front. If you are looking for instant gratification, then maybe Notre Dame isn’t for you anyway.

Maybe winning a Championship isn't for us

 

[CanadalovesND]

They are benefiting, just not as much as the other schools.
Moore he gone
Bowen he gone
Keeley he gone
Fiske he gone.

This example wouldn't apply because neither of the four of them have been ND students or have be involved with FUND

 

[arahop]

This example wouldn't apply because neither of the four of them have been ND students or have be involved with FUND

Why aren't they lining up to come here if f.u.n.d. is so effective.

 

[ThePiombino]

@arahop refuses to acknowledge the difference between NIL (F.U.N.D.) and "NIL" (PFP/acquisition fees).

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[ColinKSU]

@arahop refuses to acknowledge the difference between NIL (F.U.N.D.) and "NIL" (PFP/acquisition fees).

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They’re two completely different things. I don’t think anyone is arguing that current ND players aren’t taken care of.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Why aren't they lining up to come here if f.u.n.d. is so effective.

It's as you said - upfront money. FUND has been effective for ND players.

For it to work in an "acquisition fee" role, the whole concept and mission of FUND would need to change. It's philanthropic in nature.

FUND Foundation

"University of Notre Dame student-athletes will support nonprofits to help fulfill their charitable missions by doing philanthropic work in the community in a variety of different capacities. The student-athlete will receive a stipend and the charity that they are an ambassador for will receive a financial donation."

 

[NDFAN2008]

Let's be honest tho - Freeman is only saying that because he has no choice. You think if some ND-approved collective backed the BRINKS truck up to the Gug and said, "go get us a top-5 class" Freeman would decline? You think he wouldn't have fought for Keeley or Mpemba or even Fiske? Let's be real. I'm sure Freeman's saying much different things when cameras aren't rolling.

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Exactly they busted their ass and did everything to make sure Bowen ended up in this class and he decides to jump ship to Oregon when he barely had a relationship with them then jumps to Oklahoma

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

You are confusing it though. You're saying NIL (not "NIL") and F.U.N.D. is poor, but it's actually not poor. ND just refuses to pay acquisition fees. Huge difference.

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He also for some reason thinks the university is hoarding profits by choosing not to engage in P4P. Clueless.

 

[indianamouse]

They are benefiting, just not as much as the other schools.
Moore he gone
Bowen he gone
Keeley he gone
Fiske he gone.

Maybe they’re worried about actually having to prove themselves? Big difference between being the man in high school and being the man on a P5 team.

 

[Free Manera]

Maybe they’re worried about actually having to prove themselves? Big difference between being the man in high school and being the man on a P5 team.

 

[ThePiombino]

Maybe they’re worried about actually having to prove themselves? Big difference between being the man in high school and being the man on a P5 team.

Prolly closer to taking the bird in hand than that, at least IMO...

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[Ndaccountant]

Call me crazy, but I would rather have fees paid for results rather than appearance. I get the trend, but paying dudes from G5 upfront does t interest me.

 

[dublinirish]

Call me crazy, but I would rather have fees paid for results rather than appearance. I get the trend, but paying dudes from G5 upfront does t interest me.

Enjoy future mediocre seasons so


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[T-Boone]

We just need Hartman rumours to be true and for him to be great at ND.

 

[Grahambo]

We didn’t lose Card to Purdue. We chose Hartman over Card.

As for Fiske, are we sure it’s NIL and not grades? Honest question.

 

[ColinKSU]

Call me crazy, but I would rather have fees paid for results rather than appearance. I get the trend, but paying dudes from G5 upfront does t interest me.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that getting paid upfront is a good thing for CFB. But that’s the reality, so ND either elects to embrace reality or they don’t.

 

[Sea Turtle]

@arahop refuses to acknowledge the difference between NIL (F.U.N.D.) and "NIL" (PFP/acquisition fees).

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Because there IS no difference anymore in the world of CFB.

It's ONLY different in the eyes of Notre Dame.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I don’t think anyone is arguing that getting paid upfront is a good thing for CFB. But that’s the reality, so ND either elects to embrace reality or they don’t.

Yep

 

[Dizzyphil]

Because there IS no difference anymore in the world of CFB.

It's ONLY different in the eyes of Notre Dame.

With all do respect..... there are numerous coaches/teams/adminstrations that see it the same as ND does...

 

[stlnd01]

With all do respect..... there are numerous coaches/teams/adminstrations that see it the same as ND does...

And right now this month they are watching many of their best players leave for places that will pay them more, faster. That Dasan McCullough story from last week was pretty eye-opening, IMO.

I agree our NIL program seems to work well for players who are already on campus. I like to think that's a reason we haven't seen any significant outbound transfers yet (aside from Pyne of course). But if we refuse to do "acquisition fees" we're competing with one arm tied behind our back for top incoming transfers, and for elite recruits. And there doesn't seem to be any good reason for it.

 

[Dizzyphil]

And right now this month they are watching many of their best players leave for places that will pay them more, faster. That Dasan McCullough story from last week was pretty eye-opening, IMO.

I agree our NIL program seems to work well for players who are already on campus. I like to think that's a reason we haven't seen any significant outbound transfers yet (aside from Pyne of course). But if we refuse to do "acquisition fees" we're competing with one arm tied behind our back for top incoming transfers, and for elite recruits. And there doesn't seem to be any good reason for it.

Exactly.....

 

[INLaw]

That McCullough situation is bad optics top to bottom. I am sure Freeman knows every inch of it. Probably both of them didn’t have grades. But it would be hard to employ someone who has two kids at positions of needs sending them to a rival who is yucking it up on what they can land with $$$ and a 6-6 record.

 

[arahop]

It's as you said - upfront money. FUND has been effective for ND players.

For it to work in an "acquisition fee" role, the whole concept and mission of FUND would need to change. It's philanthropic in nature.

FUND Foundation

"University of Notre Dame student-athletes will support nonprofits to help fulfill their charitable missions by doing philanthropic work in the community in a variety of different capacities. The student-athlete will receive a stipend and the charity that they are an ambassador for will receive a financial donation."

That's exactly what I'm getting at it needs to change. It's behind the times and the end result will be 9-3 and 8-4 teams at best

 

[Free Manera]

We didn’t lose Card to Purdue. We chose Hartman over Card.

As for Fiske, are we sure it’s NIL and not grades? Honest question.

Yeah it’s been reported it’s NIL. He was absolutely a take for ND.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Let's be honest tho - Freeman is only saying that because he has no choice. You think if some ND-approved collective backed the BRINKS truck up to the Gug and said, "go get us a top-5 class" Freeman would decline? You think he wouldn't have fought for Keeley or Mpemba or even Fiske? Let's be real. I'm sure Freeman's saying much different things when cameras aren't rolling.

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Agreed.

And the thing is, these things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I think ND needs to tread lightly with going all in with NIL and guaranteed deals.

However, the idea that everybody who's taking the guaranteed NIL is just looking to instant gratification and thus wouldn't be a fit is nonsense. You can have both.

The reality is that, while ND is a great institution with a lot to offer a young man, they have several options, and that guaranteed NIL is just an additional factor that many schools can play that ND chooses not to.

You can only play the "ND is special" card for so long. Young men aren't just building long-term relationships with ND coaches and the institutions. They're learning all the unique qualities about several universities. But if they can gel with that and they can provide that little instant gratification on top of it, then that can be enough to tip the scales in their favor.

Freeman has to be stomping away at this for the administration to ease up and let the collectives and boosters do more. It doesn't mean going full A&M, but ND can't keep losing guys to NIL. The majesty of ND only goes so far.

 

[arahop]

Yeah it’s been reported it’s NIL. He was absolutely a take for ND.

Watchout the ND NIL and pay for play naysayers will say that he wasn't.
Just like when we loose someone because our f.u.n.d.s are low and ND can't come up with clever ways of getting players on board, they do the blame the players and call them bag chasers. Notre Dame is hoarding their funds and profits that the football program make and refuse to compete.

f.u.n.d.s are low
And competitive pay for elite recruits and transfers are not competitive

ND Alumni and fans are just fine with it. Blame everything but reality.
Here's the reality, this team won't be competitive and the NCAA isn't going to get reigned in, so that won't save ND Football either. Don't rip on kids for taking large sums of money. Business moves. Just like ND pinches it's pennies with ND Football profits.

Sick of the admin, NIL BOT apologists