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[IrishSteelhead]

The 12 team playoff is hugely important for ND's future, especially with conference changes. A 1 loss ND is at a major disadvantage to other 1 loss teams in making the 4 team playoff. With a 12 team playoff, a 1 or 2 loss ND team would pretty much be guaranteed to get in.

Anything more than a two team final puts ND at a disadvantage IMO.

ND has the capacity to steal a game from a juggernaut, but doesn’t have the capacity to be “on” for consecutive games against them and run a table.

*This isn’t just an ND problem, it’s an anyone besides the top 3 problem


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[ThePiombino]

Are you sitting down?

Bama is in too when KState wins today


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Nope. No way two-loss (in the regular season no less) Bama jumps one-loss (in a CCG) TCU.

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[IrishSteelhead]

Nope. No way two-loss (in the regular season no less) Bama jumps one-loss (in a CCG) TCU.

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You are correct. Looks like the field is now set regardless of outcome today. The only thing that can change is the seeding. Does this look right?

OSU 4 no matter what
Michigan can take 1 if UGA loses
TCU can take 1 if UGA and scUM loses (not even sure about this one)



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[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Anything more than a two team final puts ND at a disadvantage IMO.

ND has the capacity to steal a game from a juggernaut, but doesn’t have the capacity to be “on” for consecutive games against them and run a table.

*This isn’t just an ND problem, it’s an anyone besides the top 3 problem


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Even worse though with 12 is that ND will never have the bye, even undefeated, because of the CCGs. F that.

 

[Dale]

Even worse though with 12 is that ND will never have the bye, even undefeated, because of the CCGs. F that.

Sure we do. Conference Championship Week is our bye. It would be down right bizarre to expect we get two byes. Who else would feel they should expect that?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Sure we do. Conference Championship Week is our bye. It would be done right bizarre to expect we get two byes. Who else would?

Ugh..

That’s not a bye, whether you want to admit it or not. We could be undefeated, all other other conference champions could have four lossses, and we still wouldn’t get the bye. Byes shouldn’t exist in the playoff, which is why this should be 8 teams, not 12.

 

[CoachB]

I don’t think so. I think the 4 is set. Barring a blowout, TCU can lose. TCU, Georgia, Michigan, OSU.


A lot of the anti 12 team playoff folks say it minimizes the importance of games yet we’re about to have a Saturday where none of the games matter and 2 teams not playing are the ones that might have a “chance”

I hope not. TCU is hot garbage. They deserve nowhere near that top 4. I want to see #1 Georgia vs. #4 OSU and #2 Michigan vs. #3 Alabama. Last thing I want to see is Michigan fans still thinking they are good beating up on an awful TCU defense.

 

[CoachB]

Anything more than a two team final puts ND at a disadvantage IMO.

ND has the capacity to steal a game from a juggernaut, but doesn’t have the capacity to be “on” for consecutive games against them and run a table.

*This isn’t just an ND problem, it’s an anyone besides the top 3 problem


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Don't agree. Could get a year like this one. I think ND's playoff teams could win the whole thing this year.

 

[Dale]

Ugh..

That’s not a bye, whether you want to admit it or not. We could be undefeated, all other other conference champions could have four lossses, and we still wouldn’t get the bye. Byes shouldn’t exist in the playoff, which is why this should be 8 teams, not 12.

It’s a week you are not playing and others are, otherwise called a bye.


Step outside the ND state of mind. It’s insane to expect two weeks off because we are independent. We can join a conference if we want, we’re not getting kept out by anyone.

“We are voluntarily choosing our own separate path and we want the highest advantage for doing so please!”

 

[ThePiombino]

You are correct. Looks like the field is now set regardless of outcome today. The only thing that can change is the seeding. Does this look right?

OSU 4 no matter what
Michigan can take 1 if UGA loses
TCU can take 1 if UGA and scUM loses (not even sure about this one)



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Agreed. Only other possibility is if TCU loses badly, they could drop to 4, but I doubt it because not only would OSU be rewarded for not making a CCG, but it would also mean a UM/OSU rematch which we all know the committee will do mental gymnastics to justify avoiding.

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[ShamrockOnHelmet]

It’s a week you are not playing and others are, otherwise called a bye.


Step outside the ND state of mind. It’s insane to expect two weeks off because we are independent. We can join a conference if we want, we’re not getting kept out by anyone.

“We are voluntarily choosing our own separate path and we want the highest advantage for doing so please!”

That makes no sense at all.

WE didn’t choose to have the CCGs. We don’t benefit from them at all. Yet we MUST be penalized because they exist? Get out of here. The conferences choose voluntarily to stage these games, even though they aren’t needed. That’s not our fault, and we shouldn’t have to pay a penalty for that. Conferences don’t like it? Stop having them. That we have to play three games to win a natty now no matter what is criminal.

 

[Dale]

That makes no sense at all.

WE didn’t choose to have the CCGs. We don’t benefit from them at all. Yet we MUST be penalized because they exist? Get out of here. The conferences choose voluntarily to stage these games, even though they aren’t needed. That’s not our fault, and we shouldn’t have to pay the penalty for that. Conferences don’t like it? Stop having them. That we have to play three games to win a natty now no matter what is criminal.

Lol no this is crazy. Everyone else change not us!

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Lol no this is crazy. Everyone else change not us!

You know that’s not the issue, don’t be daft.

 

[Dale]

You know that’s not the issue, don’t be daft.

Yes the issue is we have a slight disadvantage to the 125 teams that choose to do things the same way and have invited us to do the same but we choose not to and actually want not just no disadvantage, but to be given an advantage for doing so.

 

[NDRock]

We would be the only team to win a championship playing only 14 games.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Yes the issue is we have a slight disadvantage to the 125 teams that choose to do things the same way and have invited us to do the same but we choose not to and actually want not just no disadvantage, but to be given an advantage for doing so.

It’s not a slight disadvantage. And it’s not anything of our making. If there were an upside from the CCGs, then I would accept the argument, but CCGs only exist as a money generator - not for any legitimate competitive reasons. If we got a cut of all the CCGs gates, or some other upside, ok. But we get NOTHING from the CCGs, but are forced to eat another game potentially because of something idiot conferences decided to do on their own. It’s laughably absurd.

 

[Dale]

It’s not a slight disadvantage. And it’s not anything of our making. If there were an upside from the CCGs, then I would accept the argument, but CCGs only exist as a money generator - not for any legitimate competitive reasons. If we got a cut of all the CCGs gates, or some other upside, ok. But we get NOTHING from the CCGs, but are forced to eat another game potentially because of something idiot conferences decided to do on their own. It’s laughably absurd.

Dude, we could do all of that if we wanted to. We can join a conference and make the money. All of it. We choose not to. You want to keep your cake and eat it too.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Dude, we could do all of that if we wanted to. We can join a conference and make the money. All of it. We choose not to. You want to keep your cake and eat it too.

No, It’s not having your cake and eating it too. It’s having to eat OUR piece of cake only by using a pitchfork because some other people got together and decided that they want to eat some pie first before eating their cake with traditional forks. Make sense? Nah, but that’s what it is.

 

[Dale]

No, It’s not having your cake and eating it too. It’s having to eat OUR piece of cake only by using a pitchfork because some other people got together and decided that they want to eat some pie first before eating their cake with traditional forks. Make sense? Nah, but that’s what it is.

THEY INVITE US TO THE PARTY!

 

[irishff1014]

It’s a week you are not playing and others are, otherwise called a bye.


Step outside the ND state of mind. It’s insane to expect two weeks off because we are independent. We can join a conference if we want, we’re not getting kept out by anyone.

“We are voluntarily choosing our own separate path and we want the highest advantage for doing so please!”

I don’t know I would want 2 weeks off. Sometimes bye weeks kill a teams mojo now as it is. I think 2 weeks would be bad.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

THEY INVITE US TO THE PARTY!

WE INVENTED THE PARTY

 

[irishtrooper]

It’s not a slight disadvantage. And it’s not anything of our making. If there were an upside from the CCGs, then I would accept the argument, but CCGs only exist as a money generator - not for any legitimate competitive reasons. If we got a cut of all the CCGs gates, or some other upside, ok. But we get NOTHING from the CCGs, but are forced to eat another game potentially because of something idiot conferences decided to do on their own. It’s laughably absurd.

I really hate to admit it, but I agree with Dale lest he be any more satisfied with himself. ND did choose to not do it the way of essentially everyone else so they should have to “overcome” any self-inflicted obstacles (just like higher admission standards/national schedule/etc). The reason the others do it doesn’t matter, and the championship is representative of all of D1 CFB….. I am fine with the agreement and feel it’s fair

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

ND did choose to not do it the way of essentially everyone else so they should have to “overcome” any self-inflicted obstacles (just like higher admission standards/national schedule/etc).

I don’t disagree with you on that count. We will have THOSE obstacles forevermore, and they aren’t anyone else’s burden.

The hypocritical argument being made though, is that it’s just a “slight disadvantage” for us to have to play one additional game.
Ok, fine. Then the flip side to that coin is that it’s also only a “slight disadvantage” to THEM for us to play one LESS game. Both of those statements MUST be true at the same time. AND, the latter doesn’t penalize a team who had nothing to even do with the construction of the environment that causes the slight disadvantage in the first place…(the CCGs)

 

[Dale]

I don’t disagree with you on that count. We will have THOSE obstacles forevermore, and they aren’t anyone else’s burden.

The hypocritical argument being made though, is that it’s just a “slight disadvantage” for us to have to play one additional game.

We don’t play one additional game we play the same exact amount. You are wanting to play less games than the entire rest of the country.

We get to the second round with 13 games in this format. Bye teams get to the second round with, wait for it, 13 games.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

We don’t play one additional game we play the same exact amount. You are wanting to play less games than the entire rest of the country.

We get to the second round with 13 games in this format. Bye teams get to the second round with, wait for it, 13 games.

We’ve been over this. We aren’t talking about the second round, we’re talking about the entirety of a playoff. Not playing a first round game (ie, getting a bye) is acceptable for the top four teams. There is no excuse to omit Notre Dame from the same standard if they are objectively one of those four. I’m done debating you on it now. Back to FUSC.

 

[Dale]

Dale lest he be any more satisfied with himself.

I’m not staff, you can mute me brother haha.

 

[irishtrooper]

I’m not staff, you can mute me brother haha.

You sometimes provide useful info, and unless you are legit crazy (which I don’t believe you are) I don’t mute anyone. Thanks for the advice though👍

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

That’s not my point. The “product” is watered down even more currently at 4.

2 is better than 4 but so is 12.

You also suggested that today is a playoff. Today has 3 loss teams. But now 3 loss teams in a 12 team playoff is watering it down. Doesn’t make sense to your retort. Is today meaningful because it’s playoff or is today watered down by 3 loss teams?

Today is meaningful for TCU only. Same for SC last night. Bringing average teams like Tulane and PSU don't improve the product. Pure money grab.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

College football is predominantly shitty games. Matchups between top 12 teams are exciting and rare. Personally think it will be the opposite of watered down. More fun games to watch, imo

This applies more to NFL than it does college ball because of more parity in the NFL and fewer teams. There were plenty of ranked vs ranked games this year for us to watch.

The best part of college football is the regular season, and the 12 team playoff dilutes it. Just trying to mimic NFL and it's allllll about $$$

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

This applies more to NFL than it does college ball because of more parity in the NFL and fewer teams. There were plenty of ranked vs ranked games this year for us to watch.

The best part of college football is the regular season, and the 12 team playoff dilutes it. Just trying to mimic NFL and it's allllll about $$$

Yes this 100%. I can concede the four team playoff is a good idea, because some years we'll have three teams that all have a fair claim to the national title game. But expanding to 12 will harm the meaningfulness of the regular season - this year Georgia could have lost their last two games and still made it no problem