'23 MO RB Jeremiyah Love (Notre Dame Signee)

[Luckylucci]

Traore posted it on July 18th.

 

[CanadalovesND]

No way is Ford a Vyper. Dude's already 6'4 275 as a true freshman. Odds are he's going to grow into a 3T, rather than Vyper.

They do have Burnham and Gobaira from '22 who both fit that Vyper mold.

But not taking one is still not a good strategy. ND loses Foskey and Justin after this season. And frankly, I'm not sure what to expect from Botelho at this point. You could very easily go into a situation where Burnham and Gobaira is literally all you have at Vyper.

We are teetering on a situation akin to what we have at receiver. You effectively have zero Vypers from the '21 class because Schweitzer move to LB and Kia went on his mission. Then you take zero for '23. You have to adjust to bad numbers in '21 by taking somebody.

Ehrensberger has also cross trained a bit. I like his frame and athleticism more at VYPER than playing BIG END. Actually no, better to clarify - I think he has the versatility and athleticism to play VYPER.

Measurements standpoint, he’s longer than Foskey with a few extra schnitzels heavier.

Three years in the system now, learning and adjusting to the American level… could be one of those surprises next season.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Ehrensberger has also cross trained a bit. I like his frame and athleticism more at VYPER than playing BIG END. Actually no, better to clarify - I think he has the versatility and athleticism to play VYPER.

Measurements standpoint, he’s longer than Foskey with a few extra schnitzels heavier.

Three years in the system now, learning and adjusting to the American level… could be one of those surprises next season.

Ehrensberger may be long and bigger than Foskey, but I don't think he has the twitch and athleticism that Foskey has. That's really important. I think NaNa is more likely to swap over to Vyper than Ehrensberger. And I can see Mills moving back inside with Jayson gone, so that could mean Ehrensberger works his way into a more meaningful role at SDE.

I think if ND stands pat and doesn't get a Vyper, the best bet would be Zinter. I think he could be a guy like Burnham, who is listed as a LB, but has the frame and skillset to move to Vyper.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I think the opposite. Maybe I’m biased because I live In Germany, but Ehrensberger appears more twitchy than NaNa. It’s also about versatility with VYPER.

NaNa does not look like someone who can naturally play in space. He’s best suited with his hand in the dirt. But I do agree - Ehrensberger has the best build on the entire DL to play the Big End.

I do wonder if Ford might be better at the End. Obviously, he could naturally grow into a DT permanently, but his build is similar to Mills, when he was a freshman.

And Onye as well. We have about four upperclassmen at DT next season (Cross III, Lacey, Keanaaina, Rubio + Mills to a large degree). We could afford moving Ford or Onye outside.

The scenarios are plentiful as of right now. These are such the things to cross my mind on a BYE week.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I do agree. Even

Can we move the Keeley talk to the Keeley thread, please?

I do agree, you’re right. Even though I’ve contributed against it!

It’s been quiet on Love since his A&M visit. Singer posted something early last week. Again, ND likes where they stand - the classic response we are so used to hearing.

But, as for now, Love has not scheduled any visits elsewhere and looks to be keeping to his timeline. Momma Love got to visit his two top choices, which is what was needed to happen before a commitment announcement. No date posted yet.

Love is not a “showmanistic” type of guy. Atleast I never got that vibe. Not huge into interviews. Despite the deadening silence with his recruitment sometimes, he only says what he needs to say. Wouldn’t be surprised if he just tweets out his commitment one day. No ceremony, no press.

 

[Justin574]

No way is Ford a Vyper. Dude's already 6'4 275 as a true freshman. Odds are he's going to grow into a 3T, rather than Vyper.

They do have Burnham and Gobaira from '22 who both fit that Vyper mold.

But not taking one is still not a good strategy. ND loses Foskey and Justin after this season. And frankly, I'm not sure what to expect from Botelho at this point. You could very easily go into a situation where Burnham and Gobaira is literally all you have at Vyper.

We are teetering on a situation akin to what we have at receiver. You effectively have zero Vypers from the '21 class because Schweitzer move to LB and Kia went on his mission. Then you take zero for '23. You have to adjust to bad numbers in '21 by taking somebody.

Part of what I mean by "groom" him is getting him to lean down. Like I mentioned, he was a lot leaner before. I mean it's not like Foskey isn't 265lbs. You're saying he couldn't lose 10lbs?

 

[Justin574]

No way is Ford a Vyper. Dude's already 6'4 275 as a true freshman. Odds are he's going to grow into a 3T, rather than Vyper.

They do have Burnham and Gobaira from '22 who both fit that Vyper mold.

But not taking one is still not a good strategy. ND loses Foskey and Justin after this season. And frankly, I'm not sure what to expect from Botelho at this point. You could very easily go into a situation where Burnham and Gobaira is literally all you have at Vyper.

We are teetering on a situation akin to what we have at receiver. You effectively have zero Vypers from the '21 class because Schweitzer move to LB and Kia went on his mission. Then you take zero for '23. You have to adjust to bad numbers in '21 by taking somebody.

It's not all about how much someone weighs, it's more about how they carry that weight, which I haven't seen enough of to say how good of a fit Ford would be. But Foskey is listed as weighing in at 265lbs, so to me that makes it seem like it's not out of the realm of possibilities for someone who's 275lbs to slim down a little and play Vyper, especially if they move well and have natural speed.

 

[Justin574]

I think the opposite. Maybe I’m biased because I live In Germany, but Ehrensberger appears more twitchy than NaNa. It’s also about versatility with VYPER.

NaNa does not look like someone who can naturally play in space. He’s best suited with his hand in the dirt. But I do agree - Ehrensberger has the best build on the entire DL to play the Big End.

I do wonder if Ford might be better at the End. Obviously, he could naturally grow into a DT permanently, but his build is similar to Mills, when he was a freshman.

And Onye as well. We have about four upperclassmen at DT next season (Cross III, Lacey, Keanaaina, Rubio + Mills to a large degree). We could afford moving Ford or Onye outside.

The scenarios are plentiful as of right now. These are such the things to cross my mind on a BYE week.

That's what I'm thinking, when I looked through Ford's scouting report, he was listed as long and lean, very much like what you'd see at the Vyper position.

 

[SoIll]

Back to Mr. Love.....

 

[Justin574]

Back to Mr. Love.....

I've been keeping an eye out, there seems to be no updates on Love. Hopefully he saw the NC game, maybe now that our offense got going and he's seen firsthand how a player like him could contribute, he'll feel less hesitant (if that was an issue). The way our RBs racked up yards through the air and on the ground against NC would be perfect for an Ath/RB like Love.

 

[irishandy]

Back to Mr. Love.....

I'd expect the staff to make a visit to Mr. Love on our bye week. Our RB's had a nice performance vs. UNC in case if he missed the game.

 

[NDpendent]

Follow the twitter likes, more accurate then crystal balls. All this kids likes on twitter are related to Notre Dame

 

[stlnd01]

A

Follow the twitter likes, more accurate then crystal balls. All this kids likes on twitter are related to Notre Dame

Wait, are you Du Lac?

 

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[rtrn2glory]

Not as positive of an update for those without the time to click and read.

 

[ColinKSU]

Not as positive of an update for those without the time to click and read.

I dunno. It just seemed like he was spitballing. There wasn't any actual news.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

Right. Not exactly news. I'll post an recap next time I share a link.

 

[Dale]

 

[Justin574]

That didn't exactly boost my confidence. No commitment date means it could stretch out longer than expected, which is bad for ND imo. And he wouldn't even list his top schools, but this may not be as big of a deal since he never listed any before. Not sure, but I read that as he's still unsure of whether ND is the right fit.

 

[luckofirish8]

Honestly, I'd personally rather a recruit go this route and take their time, then say a potential Bowen situation. I'm also not saying Bowen doesn't end up Irish in the end, but you get the point.

This decision is likely pretty easy for us as fans, but you start factoring in all the different elements (especially now with the NIL stuff) and it is pretty easy to see why these kids waffle more and more on these commitments. Plus, you also factor in the accelerated timeline recruits are facing now...we are seeing 2025 offers being talked about in some circles.

 

[Justin574]

No Im not worried after this. The kid just doesnt want to give it away who he is leaning towards and he did say his decision could come at any time. Kid is all Irish

Could be it, hopefully you're right.

 

[stlnd01]

Honestly, I'd personally rather a recruit go this route and take their time, then say a potential Bowen situation. I'm also not saying Bowen doesn't end up Irish in the end, but you get the point.

This decision is likely pretty easy for us as fans, but you start factoring in all the different elements (especially now with the NIL stuff) and it is pretty easy to see why these kids waffle more and more on these commitments. Plus, you also factor in the accelerated timeline recruits are facing now...we are seeing 2025 offers being talked about in some circles.

Yep. Way better to take your time and decide once, even if that decision comes late in the cycle. I understand why coaches push for early commits, and lots of kids who commit early stick, but there's a lot of downside risk to that approach, and I feel like we're seeing some of it play out for us lately both in terms of lack of positive momentum late in the cycle and playing defense against other schools that have targeted our guys.

All that said, if it's "fit" Love is worried about, a Catholic school kid from St. Louis is likely to fit pretty well at Notre Dame. Don't waste your time at A&M, kid.

 

[SoIll]

Yep. Way better to take your time and decide once, even if that decision comes late in the cycle. I understand why coaches push for early commits, and lots of kids who commit early stick, but there's a lot of downside risk to that approach, and I feel like we're seeing some of it play out for us lately both in terms of lack of positive momentum late in the cycle and playing defense against other schools that have targeted our guys.

All that said, if it's "fit" Love is worried about, a Catholic school kid from St. Louis is likely to fit pretty well at Notre Dame. Don't waste your time at A&M, kid.

These kids over here aren't catholic. Alot couldn't give a shit less about their faith. Its about ball and getting them to where they want go. Its ruthless in these metro east streets! These private schools come to 5,6,7 and 8th grade football and basketball games to start recruiting these kids. Its wild. Back to my point, some care, but 80% aren't worried about if "Gods got them" or not. If he's truly getting a couple million, who can blame him. Good chance he and his family aren't in a position to not take it.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Honestly, I'd personally rather a recruit go this route and take their time, then say a potential Bowen situation. I'm also not saying Bowen doesn't end up Irish in the end, but you get the point.

This decision is likely pretty easy for us as fans, but you start factoring in all the different elements (especially now with the NIL stuff) and it is pretty easy to see why these kids waffle more and more on these commitments. Plus, you also factor in the accelerated timeline recruits are facing now...we are seeing 2025 offers being talked about in some circles.

Dude, someone let an adult in the room. Dang.

 

[Irish4life]

These kids over here aren't catholic. Most couldn't give a shit less about their faith. Its about ball and getting them to where they want go. Its ruthless in these metro east streets! These private schools come to 5,6,7 and 8th grade football and basketball games to start recruiting these kids. Its wild. Back to my point, some care, but 90% aren't worried about if "Gods got them" or not. If he's truly getting a couple million, who can blame him. Good chance he and his family aren't in a position to not take it.

I think the point STL is trying to make is that a Catholic HS is gonna have more in common with ND than A&M would, easily. And.....Love does have Princeton and Stanford offers and a 4.2 GPA. At least a good sign on that end.

 

[Dale]

Its ruthless in these metro east streets!

IIRC you’re from the area, so I’m sure no intended malice, but this seems like a equally unfair assumption as to Love or anyone else background.

Gray or Love may not be Catholic, but Gray I know is religious. Love said his Dad and his family friends were pro-ND. Kyren was from a 2 min drive from me.

 

[Irish4life]

So supposedly the coaches visited Love on Monday in St Louis . I don't know if that is true or not. Can anyone confirm?

Was posted on a message board by someone who's kid went to Love's HS I believe.

 

[SoIll]

IIRC you’re from the area, so I’m sure no intended malice, but this seems like a equally unfair assumption as to Love or anyone else background.

Gray or Love may not be Catholic, but Gray I know is religious. Love said his Dad and his family friends were pro-ND. Kyren was from a 2 min drive from me.

"Ruthless" = As in these private schools begging these kids to attend their schools.

Someone going to CBC or wherever isn't necessarily going there because its a religious school. They are there for athletics. Its simple. You may disagree, but that's facts.

 

[stlnd01]

These kids over here aren't catholic. Alot couldn't give a shit less about their faith. Its about ball and getting them to where they want go. Its ruthless in these metro east streets! These private schools come to 5,6,7 and 8th grade football and basketball games to start recruiting these kids. Its wild. Back to my point, some care, but 90% aren't worried about if "Gods got them" or not. If he's truly getting a couple million, who can blame him. Good chance he and his family aren't in a position to not take it.

I dunno anything about Love’s faith or socioeconomic situation or even where in STL he’s from (is he from the east side?), but a kid who goes to CBC - or SLU High or DeSmet or Vianney like Kyren Williams did - is likely to have a higher academic/cultural comfort level with Notre Dame than someone coming from say, East St Louis HS. Is all.

Agree $2M cash money can change things but then that’s not about “fit,” is it?

 

[Dale]

"Ruthless" = As in these private schools begging these kids to attend their schools.

Someone going to CBC or wherever isn't necessarily going there because its a religious school. They are there for athletics. Its simple. You may disagree, but that's facts.

Clearly wasn’t the part I disagreed with but okay.