'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

[arrowryan]

Going back to the reclassifying discussion.

I think I like the idea of him staying in the 2024 class more than reclassifying. If Buchner is what the staff expects him to be, Carr would just be wasting a year of eligibility. Also, I hate that I have to think of this, it would allow for doubt/frustration to grow on Carr if he doesn't play as early as he would like.

Of course, I would be all of Carr in 23 and Sayin in 24. If that isn't that case, I'd like for Carr to stay in the 2024 class.

 

[ThePiombino]

Going back to the reclassifying discussion.

I think I like the idea of him staying in the 2024 class more than reclassifying. If Buchner is what the staff expects him to be, Carr would just be wasting a year of eligibility. Also, I hate that I have to think of this, it would allow for doubt/frustration to grow on Carr if he doesn't play as early as he would like.

Of course, I would be all of Carr in 23 and Sayin in 24. If that isn't that case, I'd like for Carr to stay in the 2024 class.

But what if Buchner isn't what the staff expects him to be? Or injury happens. Then what? Then you wish you had a 5-star in the wings. Instead we have Pyne, Angeli and a couple of walk-ons. Love the kids who want to be here, but you're not exactly lighting the world on fire with that QB room over the next two seasons...

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[NDMD]

Going back to the reclassifying discussion.

I think I like the idea of him staying in the 2024 class more than reclassifying. If Buchner is what the staff expects him to be, Carr would just be wasting a year of eligibility. Also, I hate that I have to think of this, it would allow for doubt/frustration to grow on Carr if he doesn't play as early as he would like.

Of course, I would be all of Carr in 23 and Sayin in 24. If that isn't that case, I'd like for Carr to stay in the 2024 class.

Counterpoint if Carr is a old enough to be a college freshman he might rather take a redshirt and get a head start on college coaching / the playbook than come in and try to take the job as a true freshman. Makes him draft eligible a year earlier, too.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

But what if Buchner isn't what the staff expects him to be? Or injury happens. Then what? Then you wish you had a 5-star in the wings. Instead we have Pyne, Angeli and a couple of walk-ons. Love the kids who want to be here, but you're not exactly lighting the world on fire with that QB room over the next two seasons...

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The would surely have another QB whether signing a guy like Arnold or having a Jack Coan type of transfer in to fill the gap for 2023. So that list would be longer, if Carr is 2024.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I'm all for Carr reclassying it makes me less nervous he flips to Michigan at the least hour next year.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm all for Carr reclassying it makes me less nervous he flips to Michigan at the least hour next year.

You think a kid that lives next door to school who commits to an archrival is going to flip to that school?

"I'm ready to make this public, I want to start recruiting for this school" - CJ Carr....

Come on now, don't be a pu**y. You must live a sad fearful life if you're worried about Michigan.

 

[317Irish]

But what if Buchner isn't what the staff expects him to be? Or injury happens. Then what? Then you wish you had a 5-star in the wings. Instead we have Pyne, Angeli and a couple of walk-ons. Love the kids who want to be here, but you're not exactly lighting the world on fire with that QB room over the next two seasons...

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This is where I’m at. I don’t think this team fairs too well this year if Buchner is out an extended period of time. I realllyyyy hope we don’t have to find out the answer to that. In any case, this year is going to be what it’s going to be. I just hope that we get someone in ‘23 with the talent to be able to step in if needed. I don’t mean to write off Angeli, but I personally don’t think he can come in and win any difficult games for us if needed. Pyne doesn’t have a chance IMO.

 

[NDPhilly]

Short of a national championship, Michigan had more or less the best possible season for themselves in 2021 (OSU win, playoff birth, BIG 10 championship) and it still it wasnt enough to get Carr. I'm not concerned.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This is where I’m at. I don’t think this team fairs too well this year if Buchner is out an extended period of time. I realllyyyy hope we don’t have to find out the answer to that. In any case, this year is going to be what it’s going to be. I just hope that we get someone in ‘23 with the talent to be able to step in if needed. I don’t mean to write off Angeli, but I personally don’t think he can come in and win any difficult games for us if needed. Pyne doesn’t have a chance IMO.

I don't love Pyne
But he has already proven he can help...He's literally done it.

 

[317Irish]

I don't love Pyne
But he has already proven he can help...He's literally done it.

I don’t see him stepping in for an extended period of time and I don’t see him winning big games as the starter.

 

[irish4ever]

Counterpoint if Carr is a old enough to be a college freshman he might rather take a redshirt and get a head start on college coaching / the playbook than come in and try to take the job as a true freshman. Makes him draft eligible a year earlier, too.

I agree. Even after a red shirt season to learn the system and get "college ready", IF he is as good as all that is being claimed, he won't be around for more than 4 yrs. anyway (with or without the redshirt yr.).

 

[Irish'15]

I agree. Even after a red shirt season to learn the system and get "college ready", IF he is as good as all that is being claimed, he won't be around for more than 4 yrs. anyway (with or without the redshirt yr.).

Redshirt would be far better than playing his senior year. Then he can takeover the minute TB leaves.

Also, does anyone else get the sense that June and July are going to be historic and epic for ND recruiting? Things are about to go ballistic.

 

[ndinoxford]

I didn’t see a profile for him, but Cj recently followed landen Thomas. Number 1 TE in 2024. He was also recently followed by chad Bowden. Might be something to watch, considering CJ says he will recruit hard for the school he will commit to.

 

[NDMatt91]

Some good stuff by Shaun Davis on the Lucky Lefty podcast right now. Shaun talked to Drayk Bowen and was told that Drayk and CJ have talked. Mentioned that there was some friendly competition of who could be the better recruiter for their respective class. Mentioned that CJ, Cam Williams, and Jack Larsen are a trio in the '24 class.

 

[Domina Nostra]

If Carr comits

Redshirt would be far better than playing his senior year. Then he can takeover the minute TB leaves.

Also, does anyone else get the sense that June and July are going to be historic and epic for ND recruiting? Things are about to go ballistic.

Not sure this is true. There is something to be said for playing against better competition, but there is also something to be said to give you a chance to hone your skills in a live environment that allows for some mistakes to be made.

 

[Luckylucci]

As long as the prospect isn't insanely raw where he'll need 6 years of development, from now, versus 5 to reach his peak (which then I'd question why we're taking him to begin with because most will hit it much sooner than that) then I think getting on campus early is always the right move.

Getting him into the S&C program, the playbook, and around the guys for an extra year is a no brainer to me. The concern of, he'll lose a year of eligibility.

If CJ Carr is a 5 star QB then he's not going to be around in 2028 anyways. So, if his eligibility runs out in 2027, I don't care. Plus, it allows you to know what you have sooner.

 

[MacIrish75]

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

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Nike/Jumpman to ND confirmed

 

[Whiskeyjack]

As long as the prospect isn't insanely raw where he'll need 6 years of development, from now, versus 5 to reach his peak (which then I'd question why we're taking him to begin with because most will hit it much sooner than that) then I think getting on campus early is always the right move.

Getting him into the S&C program, the playbook, and around the guys for an extra year is a no brainer to me. The concern of, he'll lose a year of eligibility.

If CJ Carr is a 5 star QB then he's not going to be around in 2028 anyways. So, if his eligibility runs out in 2027, I don't care. Plus, it allows you to know what you have sooner.

Agreed. I'm having a hard time imaging a scenario where we'd rather a commit play out his senior season rather than get on campus ASAP. There are so many variables outside of ND's control before they get on campus, including the athlete's coaching, academics, nutrition, S&C, opportunities to get in trouble, etc. Get them in the bubble and start training them up.

 

[Irish'15]

If CJ wants into the '23 class because he knew it would crowd out Dante, he is a genius and played it right. This is exactly what I would do. I'd tell ND I want in, but I want into the '23 class otherwise I am looking around. This would leave it up to the staff to choose between he and Dante, essentially leaving a 1 man race for QB1. I see no other scenario where you simply drop Dante's recruitment.

 

[NDMatt91]

If CJ wants into the '23 class because he knew it would crowd out Dante, he is a genius and played it right. This is exactly what I would do. I'd tell ND I want in, but I want into the '23 class otherwise I am looking around. This would leave it up to the staff to choose between he and Dante, essentially leaving a 1 man race for QB1. I see no other scenario where you simply drop Dante's recruitment.

That would also allow the staff to go hard after Sayin in the '24 class.

 

[Irish'15]

That would also allow the staff to go hard after Sayin in the '24 class.

Exactly.

 

[Chicago Domer]

I’m still not clear. If Carr signs, could Moore still sign?

 

[Irish'15]

I’m still not clear. If Carr signs, could Moore still sign?

Nobody knows anything. We are just speculating for fun.

But as John D Rockefeller said, "Competition is a sin."

 

[allenm5333]

If CJ wants into the '23 class because he knew it would crowd out Dante, he is a genius and played it right. This is exactly what I would do. I'd tell ND I want in, but I want into the '23 class otherwise I am looking around. This would leave it up to the staff to choose between he and Dante, essentially leaving a 1 man race for QB1. I see no other scenario where you simply drop Dante's recruitment.

Or maybe he is a Michigan agent! Forced ND’s hand and made a commit as a 23 qb. Nd can’t get Moore, Sayin commits later to another school, then Carr decommits

 

[GATTACA!]

Nobody knows anything. We are just speculating for fun.

🐢 knows.

 

[Irish'15]

Or maybe he is a Michigan agent! Forced ND’s hand and made a commit as a 23 qb. Nd can’t get Moore, Sayin commits later to another school, then Carr decommits

Now you're thinking.

 

[ab2cmiller]

🐢 knows.

But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first

 

[Luckylucci]

Nobody knows anything. We are just speculating for fun.

But as John D Rockefeller said, "Competition is a sin."

I don't think saying "nobody knows anything" is an accurate statement. Loy is reporting that is the decision at this time.

 

[Irish'15]

I don't think saying "nobody knows anything" is an accurate statement. Loy is reporting that is the decision at this time.

I was referencing whether Carr reclassifies or not. Not generalizing.