Politics

[Polish Leppy 22]

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I don’t get the Democrat or Republican con in 2022…at least on a national level where it’s so divisive. To me, both parties are their own cult. They’ll support most anything if it favors their party and then be against it when the opposing party is pushing for it. The 2nd biggest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the national electorate that there’s a dime’s worth of difference between either party.

Spend a week in NYC then another week in south Florida. I think you'll see a number of differences.

 

[Irish#1]

If the argument is "JFK was a politician today" would he be seen as conservative, then no. If it's 1960's JFK, it's obvious he wouldn't agree.

Who's arguing? It's simple unbiased question.

 

[TorontoGold]

Who's arguing? It's simple unbiased question.

I'm not, it's just a rhetorical statement to make. Like saying that Lincoln wouldn't agree with Dems or Repubs.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Here's a thread on the current cost, structure, success rate, etc. of the American higher education system:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/oren_cass/status/1483819982823825411[/TWEET]

 

[drayer54]

Voting rights are important because if not enacted, the people may elect the other party.

 

[Irish#1]

Here's a thread on the current cost, structure, success rate, etc. of the American higher education system:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/oren_cass/status/1483819982823825411[/TWEET]

Those stats are pretty eye opening. Trying to get kids to college, we forgot that the purpose of K-12 is to educate.

As the old saying goes, "We still need ditch diggers!"

 

[TorontoGold]

Here's a thread on the current cost, structure, success rate, etc. of the American higher education system:

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/oren_cass/status/1483819982823825411[/TWEET]

Whiskey, incredible article. Did my thesis on this relating to macroeconomic impact of an educated society, and found Canada/US do a terrible job properly educating their populace. All this public funding for a broken higher education system, where the costs are incredible burdens on the provinces/states and the students themselves. A lot of the research I did found a shift in investment in K-12 would lead to much better results; advocated for a cut to education spending and got called a crazed libertarian nutjob (who would have thought...).

What are your thoughts on the spending per capita for each state? Seems wild to me that state like New York will spend 2.7x what Arizona does.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/306693/us-per-pupil-public-school-expenditure-by-state/

 

[Irishize]

Spend a week in NYC then another week in south Florida. I think you'll see a number of differences.

Yeah…they drink the kool-aid and think their side is right 100% of the time and the other side is wrong 100% of the time. Again, I’m talking national politics…not local or state.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Those stats are pretty eye opening. Trying to get kids to college, we forgot that the purpose of K-12 is to educate.

As the old saying goes, "We still need ditch diggers!"

Skilled tradesmen more than ditch diggers, honestly. Arizona has been experiencing an unprecedented influx of talented people moving here from other states, which has made our real estate double in price over the last 4 years. But good luck trying to get something built or fixed, because we don't have enough contractors to meet demand. If you can swing a hammer right now, it's not hard to earn a six figure salary in Arizona, which goes quite a ways here. But we don't have the systems in place to sort kids between the college and trade tracks (like most the OECD does), so the shortage goes on, and lots of unwitting kids are still taking on loans to attend community college when it's against their economic interest to do so.

What are your thoughts on the spending per capita for each state? Seems wild to me that state like New York will spend 2.7x what Arizona does.

You're surely better read on this subject than I, though there does not seem to be a robust correlation between spending and superior outcomes. Similar to the debate over higher education, where a one-size-fits-all approach is obviously not working for ~70% of American kids, primary and secondary education strikes me as the ultimate "local" issue. People need options, which doesn't seem to mesh well with models that aggressively fund their district schools because then those district schools have the political clout to strangle their competitors.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Both sides taking turns undermining our election outcomes. Fairly obvious what the rhetoric will be after the next congressional elections.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yeah…they drink the kool-aid and think their side is right 100% of the time and the other side is wrong 100% of the time. Again, I’m talking national politics…not local or state.

Don't think so. GOP had folks who were and still are anti Trump. DNC has the same issue with Bernie. I would agree that at times both parties have similar messaging and tactics in elections, but in terms of policy and philosophy they've never been further apart.

 

[drayer54]

Don't think so. GOP had folks who were and still are anti Trump. DNC has the same issue with Bernie. I would agree that at times both parties have similar messaging and tactics in elections, but in terms of policy and philosophy they've never been further aparr.

evidence this is true would bow how the single issue orgs have all become partisan institutions. NARAL won’t support anyone who won’t break the filibuster for the voter fraud bill. NRA is pushing border security. ACLU is a microphone for the DNC. GOA is also a vax mandate opponent. We’re drifting apart. Fast.

 

[Irish#1]

Skilled tradesmen more than ditch diggers, honestly. Arizona has been experiencing an unprecedented influx of talented people moving here from other states, which has made our real estate double in price over the last 4 years. But good luck trying to get something built or fixed, because we don't have enough contractors to meet demand. If you can swing a hammer right now, it's not hard to earn a six figure salary in Arizona, which goes quite a ways here. But we don't have the systems in place to sort kids between the college and trade tracks (like most the OECD does), so the shortage goes on, and lots of unwitting kids are still taking on loans to attend community college when it's against their economic interest to do so.



You're surely better read on this subject than I, though there does not seem to be a robust correlation between spending and superior outcomes. Similar to the debate over higher education, where a one-size-fits-all approach is obviously not working for ~70% of American kids, primary and secondary education strikes me as the ultimate "local" issue. People need options, which doesn't seem to mesh well with models that aggressively fund their district schools because then those district schools have the political clout to strangle their competitors.

I probably should have been clearer. My comment about ditch diggers includes basically any job that doesn't require a degree. Skilled tradesmen can make a good living in Indy as well. We had a small fire at our house that is going to require getting a new service panel installed. We got three quotes and all three electricians are booked out 6-8 weeks.

 

[drayer54]

I probably should have been clearer. My comment about ditch diggers includes basically any job that doesn't require a degree. Skilled tradesmen can make a good living in Indy as well. We had a small fire at our house that is going to require getting a new service panel installed. We got three quotes and all three electricians are booked out 6-8 weeks.

I have to call the surrounding small towns to get skilled labor in Indy. It's a joke and not cheap.

 

[Irish#1]

I have to call the surrounding small towns to get skilled labor in Indy. It's a joke and not cheap.

What side of town do you live on?

 

[NorthDakota]

Whiskey, incredible article. Did my thesis on this relating to macroeconomic impact of an educated society, and found Canada/US do a terrible job properly educating their populace. All this public funding for a broken higher education system, where the costs are incredible burdens on the provinces/states and the students themselves. A lot of the research I did found a shift in investment in K-12 would lead to much better results; advocated for a cut to education spending and got called a crazed libertarian nutjob (who would have thought...).

What are your thoughts on the spending per capita for each state? Seems wild to me that state like New York will spend 2.7x what Arizona does.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/306693/us-per-pupil-public-school-expenditure-by-state/

New York SHOULD be spending more than Arizona. After all, New York has NYC.

To illustrate, my first apartment after college was 1000 square feet. 1 bed 1 bath. $600/month. Today its probably $700 or $750. That was in Grand Forks North Dakota.

My second apartment was 1100 square feet. 2 bed 2 bath. Fort Walton Beach, Florida. $1100/month

My New York apartment...3 beds 1 bath...not even sure on square feet, very plain (aka not a luxury or nice apartment) and my share is $1700/month.

New York is legitimately broken as a state. But a good amount of the added cost is absolutely attributed to the cost of living.

This is why I hate when people back home whine about school funding. A single teacher in my hometown makes enough to own a 3 bedroom home. Its small and not fancy but he's a 28 year old guy with a house....that belongs to him...and his parents didn't give him more than a couple grand tops.

Loved Whiskey's article... per usual.

 

[drayer54]

What side of town do you live on?

West Carmel. You?

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NinaStrohminger/status/1483992827482804224?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[Irish#1]

West Carmel. You?

SE just down the street from Franklin Central

 

[Irish#1]

81 year old Nancy Pelosi said she running for reelection.

 

[drayer54]

81 year old Nancy Pelosi said she running for reelection.

She'll resign next year. She has to run again to push the fundraising. After her fall shellacking, she'll sit back and turnover to someone else and go enjoy the millions she earned trading during her time in Congress. Probably in Florida too.


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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1486380357029179394?s=20[/TWEET]
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1486382539036143618?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Bishop2b5]

There's a lot of truth to that. I've never gotten the whole "I have to post every single thought in my head, and update my every move, and post a gazillion pics of my boring life for everyone else to see" approach to FB. I have friends who do that and it strikes me as some form of major neediness or neurosis. I post an average of 15-20 things per year... always something of genuine significance, a major life event, or something that's actually hilarious. This all day, every day "Fluffy rolled over... again, I'm having a PB&J for lunch... On our way to soccer practice... I'm having a sads..." BS ad nauseum is ridiculous. Silly twats need to get a life.

 

[Greenore]

There's a lot of truth to that. I've never gotten the whole "I have to post every single thought in my head, and update my every move, and post a gazillion pics of my boring life for everyone else to see" approach to FB. I have friends who do that and it strikes me as some form of major neediness or neurosis. I post an average of 15-20 things per year... always something of genuine significance, a major life event, or something that's actually hilarious. This all day, every day "Fluffy rolled over... again, I'm having a PB&J for lunch... On our way to soccer practice... I'm having a sads..." BS ad nauseum is ridiculous. Silly twats need to get a life.

Bingo!!

Apart from IE, I don't have any other accounts and have never had any social media accounts. My privacy in important and like you said, my life isn't that interesting or unique.

The one thing that bother me (Grinds My Gears?) is that I am largely unable to read Twitter posts from politicians who use it as a scocial/information/political platform unless I have an account. So, to be "informed" by people serving the taxpayer, I have to sell my soul and privacy? Just doesn't seem right.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[BrownerandFry]

It's a never ending cycle, the double edged sword of the two party system. One party gets the lead, invariably they get cocky and try to push agenda and/or other forces like economic downturn gives rise to calls for change. The other side gets momentum, and then the cycle starts again. That's why it was amusing to see people in the last election claim that the GOP would never win another one, total delusion. If any party ever gained such a foothold there would be an eventual course correction or movement by the other party to change policy and bring people back to their side. That, or the inevitable changes in outside forces as mentioned would facilitate the call for change and said party would lose their foothold. It's an endless dance.

The American SHEEPLE are officially hopeless.

There are two corrals.

One set of sheep go slovenly, slouching to one corral

the other go slovenly, slouching to the other corral

that is why they are SHEEP not p;eople.

READ MY LIPS:
There is no "Two party System."

You said it you own it.

I'll say it and I'll say it again.

You been took, you been had you been bamboozled.

Go ahead, constitutional purist, dazzle me with your analysis:

Where in the constitution is the delineation of the two parties?

It is of by and for the media, the consultants, and people who hate thought and reading.

one more time, THERE IS NO TWO PARTY SYSTEM

But if too many of YOU PEOPLE behave like sheep, it no longer matters.

Man up, move on.

 

[drayer54]

You can expect to lose your bank account if you disagree or have other unacceptable views.

 

[Rogue219]

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The checks must have started bouncing right quick.

 

[Irish#1]

From what I’ve read, it’s a real long shot that Ukraine would get admitted to NATO.

 

[Rogue219]

From what I’ve read, it’s a real long shot that Ukraine would get admitted to NATO.

44 million people, 7th largest country in Europe.

Can they contribute militarily? My guess is two things would keep them out: the territory disputes and unfair treatment of minority population. I can't speak to the second. The first is rather obvious. It's ultimately their choice.

 

[BrownerandFry]

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The checks must have started bouncing right quick.

Gabbard has long been identified as a Russian aparatchick. LONG TIME

The one who outed her is a delicious morsel of information, with an ironic moment of timing...........

 

[BrownerandFry]

evidence this is true would bow how the single issue orgs have all become partisan institutions. NARAL won’t support anyone who won’t break the filibuster for the voter fraud bill. NRA is pushing border security. ACLU is a microphone for the DNC. GOA is also a vax mandate opponent. We’re drifting apart. Fast.

But wait, aren;t YOU the one who siad you would not move to a "SIC" (and Sick) Blue State.

Perhaps I have misread your prior posts. But, if, arguendo, that is what you said then let me tell you the direct conculsions that flow from that.:

You are 50% Anti-
america
Because you would not live next to 50% of the voters in, give or take by population, 50% of the states.

So if you are RED STATE ONLY AParatchick, IF INdeed I read you right, then are not YOU leading the way to divisiveness, and finger pointing???.

I am a registered Republican
I vote independently
I have been in a barracks in Vietnam and some swampy nights in triple canopy with people from "RED STATES"
d and "BLUE STATES"

Apparently you dsapprove.

And weren't you the one with a gun on your logo before you changed it.?

If you EMBRACE AMerica you gotta be all in with 330 million.

They have as much right to vote as you and I do.

Or is it just RED STATE PEOPLE who can't while the others should just shuffle along and pick cotton?

What do you really mean>?

And rest assured I will respond.