'22 IN WR Omar Cooper (Indiana Verbal)

[NDIrish88]

I don’t think you’re trolling, nor is your pinion crazy. But right now I think if they run a 4.7 and can dog a mirror then ND probably needs to kick the tires on them. We have scholarship room to spare in that position group.

Yeah ND needs the bodies. It also looks like a lot of kids have signed so somebody has to be coming from the portal

 

[NDdomer2]

i for one am still waiting on the Razor approved list of '22 available wrs

 

[Free Manera]

At this point, ND turning down a 4 star receiver would be like castaway Tom Hanks throwing Wilson into the ocean because he would rather a basketball for a friend.

ND just needs volleyballs I mean warm bodies right now. There could be like 6 WRs on the roster at spring practice at this rate.

 

[NDdomer2]

At this point, ND turning down a 4 star receiver would be like castaway Tom Hanks throwing Wilson into the ocean because he would rather a basketball for a friend.

ND just needs volleyballs I mean warm bodies right now. There could be like 6 WRs on the roster at spring practice at this rate.

well there is no guarantee that any '22 wr we land is going to be here for spring ball.

 

[IrishRazor82]

I don’t think you’re trolling, nor is your pinion crazy. But right now I think if they run a 4.7 and can dog a mirror then ND probably needs to kick the tires on them. We have scholarship room to spare in that position group.

Ya'll need to have some faith in the portal before we take anyone with two legs for 4 years. We need a max of two through the portal. We are as attractive as we've been since I can remember. We can look at the portal now and more will come available in spring.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I don’t think you’re trolling, nor is your pinion crazy. But right now I think if they run a 4.7 and can dog a mirror then ND probably needs to kick the tires on them. We have scholarship room to spare in that position group.

Agree to disagree.

We are on to plan C, D, E. etc, with little time to waste. To act like a lower-tier P5 caliber receiver is beyond the realms of possibility is kind of absurd.

Ya'll need to have some faith in the portal before we take anyone with two legs for 4 years. We need a max of two through the portal. We are as attractive as we've been since I can remember. We can look at the portal now and more will come available in spring.

ND can't just take any transfer off the streets. We're basically limited to grad transfers only, which means 1-2 years of eligibility, tops. So, again, how would the transfer portal help us with the scholarship numbers in 2023?

ND Domer has asked repeatedly and I'll ask for the second time, give me a list of guys who are better takes than Omar. Please enlighten us. This has to be exhausting for you, so educate us.

 

[Free Manera]

Ya'll need to have some faith in the portal before we take anyone with two legs for 4 years. We need a max of two through the portal. We are as attractive as we've been since I can remember. We can look at the portal now and more will come available in spring.

They have to do both. The coaches already said they are definitely hitting the portal also, but it's not pure free agency for ND like other schools. The pool of WRs that are takes for ND is going to be pretty small.

 

[GATTACA!]

Ya'll need to have some faith in the portal before we take anyone with two legs for 4 years. We need a max of two through the portal. We are as attractive as we've been since I can remember. We can look at the portal now and more will come available in spring.

Yes we’re such an attractive destination we landed….*checks notes*……….one WR this class.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Yes we’re such an attractive destination we landed….*checks notes*……….one WR this class.

And have zero scholarship WRs remaining from the 2020 OR the 2019 class.....

 

[IrishRazor82]

Yes we’re such an attractive destination we landed….*checks notes*……….one WR this class.

Load up the roster on players who will never play is a BK move. It's the Freeman Era baby, have some self respect and expectations. There's a reason he's in our backyard and he wasn't even a back up plan with an offer if worst case scenario happened (which it did).

 

[BobbyMac]

I just noticed Caleb Douglas didn't sign. 2x decommitter from Baylor & SC. Swapped follows with Dre Brown.



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[BobbyMac]

Load up the roster on players who will never play is a BK move. It's the Freeman Era baby, have some self respect and expectations. There's a reason he's in our backyard and he wasn't even a back up plan with an offer if worst case scenario happened (which it did).

The reason he wasn't a back-up plan is the BK Administration SUCKED at filling funnels and over winning recruiting battles. If you aren't turning down 2-3 guys per position at the end, you ain't doing it right.

As much as everyone shot Quinn in the head for his two man 2020 class, he (or BK or Long) DID tell Zinter & Atteberry, "there's no room at the inn, so go to Michigan" at the 11th hour. That's how you do it.

Take more early commits from the Fleurima's of the world and let Dad work the Bolingbrook & Boom kids for 2 years too. That was a dumb move by whoever made that call. That kid is James Onawalu 2.0. at worst, maybe with a Von McKinley Sr year ceiling.

 

[GATTACA!]

Load up the roster on players who will never play is a BK move. It's the Freeman Era baby, have some self respect and expectations. There's a reason he's in our backyard and he wasn't even a back up plan with an offer if worst case scenario happened (which it did).

The reason he wasn't a backup plan was because clearly Del had zero backup plans at all. Hence taking 1 WR in this class.

If the roster spots don't get filled up with second rung prospects like Cooper they will be filled with grad transfers who are going to be just as mediocre and only a temporary solution so they won't even help the roster long term, or PWOs who will be even worse.

 

[Dale]

The reason he wasn't a backup plan was because clearly Del had zero backup plans at all. Hence taking 1 WR in this class.

If the roster spots don't get filled up with second rung prospects like Cooper they will be filled with grad transfers who are going to be just as mediocre and only a temporary solution so they won't even help the roster long term, or PWOs who will be even worse.

Isn’t that second part you said actually an argument in favor of that plan? If grad transfer = Plan B prospect = mediocre talent wise then its better to take the one on the books for 1 year than 4 and move on to 2023.

 

[GATTACA!]

Isn’t that second part you said actually an argument in favor of that plan? If grad transfer = Plan B prospect = mediocre talent wise then its better to take the one on the books for 1 year than 4 and move on to 2023.

Not when that would mean you need to plan on taking WRs in the 2023 class that are good enough that they can come in and get playing time as true freshmen. If we had a healthy WR room and had space for one or two more then yeah hold off for a higher upside player next class. But our WR room is in a really scary spot right now. Even if you bring in Cooper we're low enough on numbers that he can get buried on the depth chart behind upper tier guys from 23 and 24 and not negatively effect the rest of the roster.

 

[Dale]

Not when that would mean you need to plan on taking WRs in the 2023 class that are good enough that they can come in and get playing time as true freshmen. If we had a healthy WR room and had space for one or two more then yeah hold off for a higher upside player next class. But our WR room is in a really scary spot right now. Even if you bring in Cooper we're low enough on numbers that he can get buried on the depth chart behind upper tier guys from 23 and 24 and not negatively effect the rest of the roster.

Not sure I understand that. The first part you say no to grad transfer route because you’d have to rely on 2023 guys then that can play as true freshman. The end part you say yes to Plan B because they’ll just be buried by upper tier guys by 2023 anyways. If we don’t land upper tier guys that can play as true freshman in 2023 then we are fielding, mediocre talent per your first post regardless.

The reality is there is no correct answer to catching up with a depth chart. You just have to volume shoot at some point, preferably this year, which of course didn’t happen.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

This is the if we don’t get Matt Elam we will have to give up three down look all over again. Except but for real this time

 

[GATTACA!]

Not sure I understand that. The first part you say no to grad transfer route because you’d have to rely on 2023 guys then that can play as true freshman. The end part you say yes to Plan B because they’ll just be buried by upper tier guys by 2023 anyways. If we don’t land upper tier guys that can play as true freshman in 2023 then we are fielding, mediocre talent per your first post regardless.

The reality is there is no correct answer to catching up with a depth chart. You just have to volume shoot at some point, preferably this year, which of course didn’t happen.

Yes because there's no guarantee that we get those day one difference makers in 2023. If we knew for sure we had some 5 star guy lined up then sure go with a grad transfer this season and wait it out. But who knows what happens next class. Just look at 22 and 20. So I'd rather get a 3.5 star today and at worst have better players take his PT if things pan out vs not taking Cooper and then having to rely on the transfer portal for multiple seasons if we have any more clunker classes.

 

[Dale]

Yes because there's no guarantee that we get those day one difference makers in 2023. If we knew for sure we had some 5 star guy lined up then sure go with a grad transfer this season and wait it out. But who knows what happens next class. Just look at 22 and 20. So I'd rather get a 3.5 star today and at worst have better players take his PT if things pan out vs not taking Cooper and then having to rely on the transfer portal for multiple seasons if we have any more clunker classes.

Guys like Cooper could be the better argument, but I don’t think for that reason. The argument for Cooper would be he outperforms expectation and you GET him for 4 instead of 1. In the modern era, I have no problem w Benny S type grad transfers in back to back years over hitching to someone we are saying is mediocre for 4. The decision between either route is likely going to be made by who they can even get from either side, not a preferred strategy.

 

[SBirishlawyer]

We do not seem to have an endemic problem of far too many non producing players eating up roster spots for four years. I think we process far more than we want to admit

 

[SBirishlawyer]

We had an analogous situation the year we were desperately low on d tackles and took Daniel Cage, Brandon Tiassum and Pete Mokwuah. Only cage ever did anything on the field, but it filled out your practice death and they were all long gone before their spot put us in roster jeopardy elsewhere. I think maybe that is feasible

 

[GATTACA!]

Guys like Cooper could be the better argument, but I don’t think for that reason. The argument for Cooper would be he outperforms expectation and you GET him for 4 instead of 1. In the modern era, I have no problem w Benny S type grad transfers in back to back years over hitching to someone we are saying is mediocre for 4. The decision between either route is likely going to be made by who they can even get from either side, not a preferred strategy.

Having him for 4 vs 1 is what I meant by "helping the roster long term". Also Omar isn't some 2 star warm body guy we would be bringing in just to use up a schools. He's a borderline 4 star that could give you meaningful snaps down the line, especially with multiple years in our system vs a series of 1 year grad transfers.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Signed with Indiana.

Someone will be happy.

 

[Dale]

Having him for 4 vs 1 is what I meant by "helping the roster long term". Also Omar isn't some 2 star warm body guy we would be bringing in just to use up a schools. He's a borderline 4 star that could give you meaningful snaps down the line, especially with multiple years in our system vs a series of 1 year grad transfers.

Well I agree with that. But that’s flipping a bit from your original point. This started with the assumption he is “mediocre” and he’d be buried in the depth chart by 2023 in your second post. That’s the POV I was working from.

Anyways, he’s signed so moot point for Cooper. Onto the next thread to continue it lol.

 

[GATTACA!]

This started with the assumption he is “mediocre” and he’d be buried in the depth chart by 2023 in your second post.

That's not what I was saying.

Mediocre in comparison to the type of WRs we should be getting, but he's still better IMO than grad transfers or PWOs. And I was saying him being buried by receivers from the 2023 class is the worst case scenario if we signed him, which is obviously preferable to not signing him and still not getting those stud WRs in 2023.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Signed with Indiana.

Someone will be happy.

Steal of the class, Indiana making moves!

 

[phillyirish]

Steal of the class, Indiana making moves!

I know your being sarcastic but you’re right, Indiana is making moves.

Cooper helps them put together the 18th ranked class in the country, when they’ve been 50 or worse every year but once (35th) the past 5 years and probably longer.

 

[IrishRazor82]

So how F'd are we that we missed (never offered) this guy? Cause I was hammered for saying pass - which Rees and Freeman did...

 

[Me2SouthBend]

So how F'd are we that we missed (never offered) this guy? Cause I was hammered for saying pass - which Rees and Freeman did...

Hammered for 3 days? That’s a bender.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Hammered for 3 days? That’s a bender.

Welcome to the good lyfe.