'22 OH QB Drew Allar (Penn State Verbal)

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Yurcich was talking to him from his Texas days. Yurcich helped develop Fields. Yurcich is from Ohio. This has never been about a late ND offer relative to PSU. It’s Allar liked Yurcich from the beginning. So if we want to critique, critique that Rees is not Yurcich. But the offer timing I think was minimal impact.

My understanding was that ND asked Allar for some stuff and he never followed through. Remember this was still during the covid restrictions which meant the staff could not do in person evaluations. So like they did with Jayden Mickey, they asked for him to do some workouts on film for them. But unlike Mickey, Allar never did which tells me he was more interested in other programs.

It reminds me of Sneed with Clemson. Sneed never visited Clemson no matter how much they tried. That tells a staff a lot. I don't know why this forum is convinced Allar was ND's to lose.
 

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My understanding was that ND asked Allar for some stuff and he never followed through. Remember this was still during the covid restrictions which meant the staff could not do in person evaluations. So like they did with Jayden Mickey, they asked for him to do some workouts on film for them. But unlike Mickey, Allar never did which tells me he was more interested in other programs.

It reminds me of Sneed with Clemson. Sneed never visited Clemson no matter how much they tried. That tells a staff a lot. I don't know why this forum is convinced Allar was ND's to lose.

Had not heard that. Interesting. Yurcich requested Allar film, more than likely was just keeping tabs on his old stomping grounds and saw him flash, in winter of 2019 and he/his trainer sent it over. Didn’t mention other schools. Interesting nugget.
 
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Had not heard that. Interesting. Yurcich requested Allar film, more than likely was just keeping tabs on his old stomping grounds and saw him flash, in winter of 2019 and he/his trainer sent it over. Didn’t mention other schools. Interesting nugget.

This whole thing gets curiouser and curioser, quoting Lewis Carroll.

And is evocative of the scene in Blazing Saddles when Bart says "You'd do it for Randolph Scott."

The crowd swoons and breathily exhales "Randolph Scott."

Drew Allar, I fear is this board's "Randolph Scott."
 

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My understanding was that ND asked Allar for some stuff and he never followed through. Remember this was still during the covid restrictions which meant the staff could not do in person evaluations. So like they did with Jayden Mickey, they asked for him to do some workouts on film for them. But unlike Mickey, Allar never did which tells me he was more interested in other programs.

It reminds me of Sneed with Clemson. Sneed never visited Clemson no matter how much they tried. That tells a staff a lot. I don't know why this forum is convinced Allar was ND's to lose.

That does say a lot. Sigh... We really need the top QB prospects to want to come here.
 

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Instead of going all in on Allar, Ithought we were too busy chasing Ty Simpson (the one who had Bama and Clemson offers before we got involved lol).
 

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It's less about Allar, specifically, and more so the entire cycle.

Rees neither offered the top signal callers at a reasonable time or evaluated the underrated guys accurately. There is nothing about this that was done well. Rees failed to evaluate and build relationships with the class as a whole. Let's just eliminate names for a minute and go through them like this.

The present #1 QB in the country, per 247, visited campus on February 1st of 2020 for our Junior Day. He was the only 2022 QB on campus that day. In fact, he was the only QB on campus, in any class that day. This was a golden opportunity for Rees. And, to my knowledge, said prospect, didn't take any other P5 visits around this time. He was also only 1 of 2, top 25 QB's, from the current 247 rankings, to ever make it to campus before the pandemic. Read that again, he was one of only 2, top 25 QB's, in the entire 2022 cycle, that made it to campus prior to Covid. This is where we can first identify that Rees is behind in getting signal callers to campus. And, to make matters worse, Rees did nothing with this early opportunity. This was the perfect chance to be early, at the very worst, with consistent communication. At the very best, an evaluation and offer. Rees did neither.

The #2 QB in the country had several conversations and zoom calls with Tommy back around June of 2020. He also had a chance to be early here, as well. Though he had already been offered by Arizona State, Arkansas, Auburn, Baylor, LSU, Miami, NC State, Nebraska, Ole Miss, SMU, TCU, Texas State, Virginia Tech and Washington State. He had not truly "blown up" yet. This was the perfect time for an early eval. Rees never offered and eventually dropped the recruitment. I don't know, maybe he didn't know how wide a football field is? In the link provided below, Matt Freeman at ISD notes that, at this point, Tommy didn't have a single offer out to a 2022 QB. While during the previous cycle, Buchner had already been committed for 3 months. So, point number 2, it's become very very clear, that QB recruiting was behind. More on this at the end.

INTEL | New 2022 QB on the radar | Irish Sports Daily

The #4 QB is a little different of a situation. See, he's a stud and has always been a stud. Everyone, else, has treated him like a stud. In fact, most big time programs offered 1 year before we did. Bama offered him almost 1.5 years before ND and Rees did. He took over 20 unofficial visits during 2019. Including one to Michigan. Unsurprisingly, none were to ND. During that time, Rees was getting Brady Allen, Chase Harrison, and Gunnar Smith on campus. Look those last two up. Both were multiple visit guys. What do they both have in common? Neither are presently in the top 75 QB's in the country.

It should come as no surprise that we got none of the 3 elite signal callers mentioned above.

Fact #1, Rees was behind 2022 QB recruiting before the pandemic. Fact #2, he got even further behind with his insistence on in-person evals in the midst of the global pandemic.

When the time came for the QB dominoes to start falling, Rees was just too far behind in both his evals and relationships and was sent into scramble mode.

Several months later and they're still trying to recruit over Angeli, for the 2nd time.

There is a reason we are still going after 2022 QB's. There is a reason that the 2023 board has been expanded the way that it has. There is a reason that they offered 2024 QB's when they did. There is a reason it was so important to get those top 2024 QB's to campus when they did. There is a reason it's so important to get those guys back on campus which they are literally doing this weekend. Much like it should've been done in 2019. Everything that they are presently doing tells us with 100% certainty that 2022 was not good enough and it wasn't good enough from a long time ago.

Good news, it looks like they have identified this and made the necessary changes. But, it doesn't change the present.

Drew Allar is just one piece of the cluster f that was Tommy's 2022 QB recruiting.
 

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While it is unfortunate there were some miscues with recruiting, it does appear Tommy, and other staff have identified and tried to correct the problem.

I’m of the mind to cut Tommy some slack. He’s a first time coordinator, and hasn’t been doing this for an exponential amount of time. Comparing him to long term coaches on other staffs is futile IMO because of this. Compound this with the fact Covid threw a wrench in everything and he was likely trying to come up with a new strategy and I can see where the struggle happened.

Hopefully the ship gets turned and everything ends up on the positive side.
 

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Hate to break this to everybody with their theories or long posts, but Aller was not going to go to ND regardless of what Rees or Kelly or whoever at ND, did.
If you read the inside info from the sources close to him & his family on the PSU side, they were never choosing ND. So all this is just a waste of time
 

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Hate to break this to everybody with their theories or long posts, but Aller was not going to go to ND regardless of what Rees or Kelly or whoever at ND, did.
If you read the inside info from the sources close to him & his family on the PSU side, they were never choosing ND. So all this is just a waste of time

It isn't a waste of time. He might not have come anyway but we want the QB coach to be putting in a Marcus Freeman style good old try with the elite kids.
 

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It's less about Allar, specifically, and more so the entire cycle.

Rees neither offered the top signal callers at a reasonable time or evaluated the underrated guys accurately. There is nothing about this that was done well. Rees failed to evaluate and build relationships with the class as a whole. Let's just eliminate names for a minute and go through them like this.

The present #1 QB in the country, per 247, visited campus on February 1st of 2020 for our Junior Day. He was the only 2022 QB on campus that day. In fact, he was the only QB on campus, in any class that day. This was a golden opportunity for Rees. And, to my knowledge, said prospect, didn't take any other P5 visits around this time. He was also only 1 of 2, top 25 QB's, from the current 247 rankings, to ever make it to campus before the pandemic. Read that again, he was one of only 2, top 25 QB's, in the entire 2022 cycle, that made it to campus prior to Covid. This is where we can first identify that Rees is behind in getting signal callers to campus. And, to make matters worse, Rees did nothing with this early opportunity. This was the perfect chance to be early, at the very worst, with consistent communication. At the very best, an evaluation and offer. Rees did neither.

The #2 QB in the country had several conversations and zoom calls with Tommy back around June of 2020. He also had a chance to be early here, as well. Though he had already been offered by Arizona State, Arkansas, Auburn, Baylor, LSU, Miami, NC State, Nebraska, Ole Miss, SMU, TCU, Texas State, Virginia Tech and Washington State. He had not truly "blown up" yet. This was the perfect time for an early eval. Rees never offered and eventually dropped the recruitment. I don't know, maybe he didn't know how wide a football field is? In the link provided below, Matt Freeman at ISD notes that, at this point, Tommy didn't have a single offer out to a 2022 QB. While during the previous cycle, Buchner had already been committed for 3 months. So, point number 2, it's become very very clear, that QB recruiting was behind. More on this at the end.

INTEL | New 2022 QB on the radar | Irish Sports Daily

The #4 QB is a little different of a situation. See, he's a stud and has always been a stud. Everyone, else, has treated him like a stud. In fact, most big time programs offered 1 year before we did. Bama offered him almost 1.5 years before ND and Rees did. He took over 20 unofficial visits during 2019. Including one to Michigan. Unsurprisingly, none were to ND. During that time, Rees was getting Brady Allen, Chase Harrison, and Gunnar Smith on campus. Look those last two up. Both were multiple visit guys. What do they both have in common? Neither are presently in the top 75 QB's in the country.

It should come as no surprise that we got none of the 3 elite signal callers mentioned above.

Fact #1, Rees was behind 2022 QB recruiting before the pandemic. Fact #2, he got even further behind with his insistence on in-person evals in the midst of the global pandemic.

When the time came for the QB dominoes to start falling, Rees was just too far behind in both his evals and relationships and was sent into scramble mode.

Several months later and they're still trying to recruit over Angeli, for the 2nd time.

There is a reason we are still going after 2022 QB's. There is a reason that the 2023 board has been expanded the way that it has. There is a reason that they offered 2024 QB's when they did. There is a reason it was so important to get those top 2024 QB's to campus when they did. There is a reason it's so important to get those guys back on campus which they are literally doing this weekend. Much like it should've been done in 2019. Everything that they are presently doing tells us with 100% certainty that 2022 was not good enough and it wasn't good enough from a long time ago.

Good news, it looks like they have identified this and made the necessary changes. But, it doesn't change the present.

Drew Allar is just one piece of the cluster f that was Tommy's 2022 QB recruiting.

That’s all fine. You can disagree with Rees’ handling of recruiting in general. I just don’t get why we bump Allar’s thread constantly, Angeli constantly has to get compared to specifically him and Ty Simpson didn’t even have a thread. I think you would have to agree there’s an overhanging perception that we somehow were close or within the realm to land Allar for unknown reasons that don’t quite materialize.

Put another way, from everything we know or don’t know, Rees could have done everything above differently and Allar from everything I know would still be a Penn State commit. I see the problems with 2022 recruiting without attaching that specially with Allar.
 

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That’s all fine. You can disagree with Rees’ handling of recruiting in general. I just don’t get why we bump Allar’s thread constantly, Angeli constantly has to get compared to specifically him and Ty Simpson didn’t even have a thread. I think you would have to agree there’s an overhanging perception that we somehow were close or within the realm to land Allar for unknown reasons that don’t quite materialize.

Put another way, from everything we know or don’t know, Rees could have done everything above differently and Allar from everything I know would still be a Penn State commit. I see the problems with 2022 recruiting without attaching that specially with Allar.

It is just a topical thread because he got bumped and we are pissed he didn't come to ND. Are you really incapable of seeing that as a pretty good reason? Like, should there be a specific thread dedicated to this issue? Stop whinging.
 

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It is just a topical thread because he got bumped and we are pissed he didn't come to ND. Are you really incapable of seeing that as a pretty good reason? Like, should there be a specific thread dedicated to this issue? Stop whinging.

Did I say nobody can bump it? Was I not allowed to provide context that has come from recent articles on Allar? I don’t see any whining, just disagreement. I also learned something from Jason H above and didn’t disagree, for the most part with Lucci above.

Someone also created Tommy Rees and 2022 State of the Recruiting Class threads so actually yes at some point I guess it was seen fit to have topical threads.
 

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Did I say nobody can bump it? Was I not allowed to provide context that has come from recent articles on Allar? I don’t see any whining, just disagreement. I also learned something from Jason H above and didn’t disagree, for the most part with Lucci above.

Someone also created Tommy Rees and 2022 State of the Recruiting Class threads so actually yes at some point I guess it was seen fit to have topical threads.

Sorry. I hadn't had my breakfast.
 

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It's less about Allar, specifically, and more so the entire cycle.

Rees neither offered the top signal callers at a reasonable time or evaluated the underrated guys accurately. There is nothing about this that was done well. Rees failed to evaluate and build relationships with the class as a whole. Let's just eliminate names for a minute and go through them like this.

The present #1 QB in the country, per 247, visited campus on February 1st of 2020 for our Junior Day. He was the only 2022 QB on campus that day. In fact, he was the only QB on campus, in any class that day. This was a golden opportunity for Rees. And, to my knowledge, said prospect, didn't take any other P5 visits around this time. He was also only 1 of 2, top 25 QB's, from the current 247 rankings, to ever make it to campus before the pandemic. Read that again, he was one of only 2, top 25 QB's, in the entire 2022 cycle, that made it to campus prior to Covid. This is where we can first identify that Rees is behind in getting signal callers to campus. And, to make matters worse, Rees did nothing with this early opportunity. This was the perfect chance to be early, at the very worst, with consistent communication. At the very best, an evaluation and offer. Rees did neither.

The #2 QB in the country had several conversations and zoom calls with Tommy back around June of 2020. He also had a chance to be early here, as well. Though he had already been offered by Arizona State, Arkansas, Auburn, Baylor, LSU, Miami, NC State, Nebraska, Ole Miss, SMU, TCU, Texas State, Virginia Tech and Washington State. He had not truly "blown up" yet. This was the perfect time for an early eval. Rees never offered and eventually dropped the recruitment. I don't know, maybe he didn't know how wide a football field is? In the link provided below, Matt Freeman at ISD notes that, at this point, Tommy didn't have a single offer out to a 2022 QB. While during the previous cycle, Buchner had already been committed for 3 months. So, point number 2, it's become very very clear, that QB recruiting was behind. More on this at the end.

INTEL | New 2022 QB on the radar | Irish Sports Daily

The #4 QB is a little different of a situation. See, he's a stud and has always been a stud. Everyone, else, has treated him like a stud. In fact, most big time programs offered 1 year before we did. Bama offered him almost 1.5 years before ND and Rees did. He took over 20 unofficial visits during 2019. Including one to Michigan. Unsurprisingly, none were to ND. During that time, Rees was getting Brady Allen, Chase Harrison, and Gunnar Smith on campus. Look those last two up. Both were multiple visit guys. What do they both have in common? Neither are presently in the top 75 QB's in the country.

It should come as no surprise that we got none of the 3 elite signal callers mentioned above.

Fact #1, Rees was behind 2022 QB recruiting before the pandemic. Fact #2, he got even further behind with his insistence on in-person evals in the midst of the global pandemic.

When the time came for the QB dominoes to start falling, Rees was just too far behind in both his evals and relationships and was sent into scramble mode.

Several months later and they're still trying to recruit over Angeli, for the 2nd time.

There is a reason we are still going after 2022 QB's. There is a reason that the 2023 board has been expanded the way that it has. There is a reason that they offered 2024 QB's when they did. There is a reason it was so important to get those top 2024 QB's to campus when they did. There is a reason it's so important to get those guys back on campus which they are literally doing this weekend. Much like it should've been done in 2019. Everything that they are presently doing tells us with 100% certainty that 2022 was not good enough and it wasn't good enough from a long time ago.

Good news, it looks like they have identified this and made the necessary changes. But, it doesn't change the present.

Drew Allar is just one piece of the cluster f that was Tommy's 2022 QB recruiting.

Thank you for this post. It supports the growing body of evidence that Tommy was/is in over his head. Kelly has to realize that hire was a reach. Maybe Tommy ends up being an elite coordinator, but he needed more experience first imo.
 

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It's less about Allar, specifically, and more so the entire cycle.

Drew Allar is just one piece of the cluster f that was Tommy's 2022 QB recruiting.

Great post. Allar is committed to PSU right now because Yurich identified him early and sold himself. Now Yurich probably got lucky that Ohio State didn't decide to brainwash him on the side as they went after the top of their board. It didn't take a rocket scientist to know Allar was special long before he got hot. As his Junior film started coming out every week, I'm shocked IA and IA St were the only P5 believers.

Tommy had his chance to sell himself last year when he had him on campus. I think 2023 cycle Tommy would've made a move on Allar last year. You need to win multiple recruitments at each position each year and back off the guys who don't fit into your 85 man plan.

2023 & 2024 cycle Tommy seems to have learned a lesson.
 

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Yeah didn't age well. Lol. First drive was not an indication of the rest of the game. I still love him as a prospect
 

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Official out of his mouth:

“It was close, but I think I had my mind made up by the time Notre Dame offered me,” said Allar, according to 247 Sports. “They kind of came into the game kind of late for me personally, because I’d been in contact with Penn State for like two-and-a half-months before Notre Dame offered me. So I think Penn State already had a pretty good hold with me and I felt comfortable with him.”

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NittanyLionWire/status/1479215620189302790[/TWEET]
 

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Absolutely brutal thing to read. Idk if Rees / Kelly were super high on Angeli early or what. His Junior year film was out by year end 2020 and it was very obvious he had top 150 arm talent.
 

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The way Rees has handled 2023, 2024 & 2025 suggests he learned his lesson and hopefully he continues ear-marking guys when they are producing as FR / SO's.

Hell, I'd have been happy to have skipped Allar if he had just left Brady Allen on the hook for 3 years. Brohm's getting an NFL QB there and feel free to bookmark that.
 

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The way Rees has handled 2023, 2024 & 2025 suggests he learned his lesson and hopefully he continues ear-marking guys when they are producing as FR / SO's.

Hell, I'd have been happy to have skipped Allar if he had just left Brady Allen on the hook for 3 years. Brohm's getting an NFL QB there and feel free to bookmark that.

I like Allen but his game is pretty different from the guys ND has recruited in the Kelly era. I do think he will put up some numbers in West Lafayette.
 

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Absolutely brutal thing to read. Idk if Rees / Kelly were super high on Angeli early or what. His Junior year film was out by year end 2020 and it was very obvious he had top 150 arm talent.

In an ideal world, ND has both Allar and Angeli in the class. It seems that Tommy really thought he was going to get Ty Simpson.....at the end of the day, it is what it is. 22 is over, let's get a stud in the 23 class (and 24, 25....)
 

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We already knew this, but it still sucks to hear it.

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Well, I think some have been in serious denial about it. We don’t want to believe things that we don’t like. The only P5 visit he took in 2019 was to ND prior to the pandemic. This was the layups of all layups for Rees if he just stayed in contact with him. PSU wouldn’t never even had a chance.
 

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There’s still nothing in that saying he would have been Irish had offered earlier. He said he was already mind made up by the time we offered. Those aren’t really one in the same IMO.

Kind of odd Fitz the PSU 247 guy took a victory lap essentially on this article haha. Especially since the 247 guys are together. Maybe Loy not popular at the hotel bar.
 
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