The latest on the Reggie Bush affair

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Hopefully Urban Meyer doesn't get involved, or we'll never hear anymore about this. Was there a tow truck involved?!?
 

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Bush, the Heisman Trophy winner as a junior in 2005, is in his second year with the New Orleans Saints, having signed a contract reportedly worth up to $60 million. He has said repeatedly that neither he nor his family did anything wrong in dealings with Michaels and Lake.

Michaels reached a settlement with Bush and his family last April. Yahoo Sports said the settlement was for between $200,000 and $300,000.


I don't know about you. But, if I was completely clean, the LAST thing anyone would get out of me is a monetary settlement. It's not like Bush wanted to settle to keep the story out of the public eye or anything.
 

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PLEASE tell me something is going to come of this .............
 

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I hope they get some sanctions


I'm not a big USC fan, but I respect their tradition. I'm not so sure that they can really be held accountable for Bush's actions, unless it can be proven that someone from the University was present when some of it went down. I mean, what are they supposed to do? Go out and look at the address of every parent of every player, and investigate whether or not they can afford the place?
 

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I'm not a big USC fan, but I respect their tradition. I'm not so sure that they can really be held accountable for Bush's actions, unless it can be proven that someone from the University was present when some of it went down. I mean, what are they supposed to do? Go out and look at the address of every parent of every player, and investigate whether or not they can afford the place?

There were some reports that these agents were in the clubhouse and involved with coaches, etc. But even if that's not true: if you field an ineligible player, there are consequences.
 

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im jsut hoping to get our 05 win (which should have been rightfully ours)... poodle losing some schollies, a NC and bush's heisman wouldnt hurt either tho
 

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im jsut hoping to get our 05 win (which should have been rightfully ours)... poodle losing some schollies, a NC and bush's heisman wouldnt hurt either tho


That will never happen. I'm guessing the most they get is maybe the loss of a few schollies.

And I don't want that '05 win like that. We won that game no matter what the officials said. I would rather "lose" like that than "win" 2 or 3 years after the fact because of some NCAA sanction.
 

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A wins a win.... people dont carew how u get it... plus if it wasnt for officials and random bits of luck, the USC dream crew would have lost the game
 

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There were some reports that these agents were in the clubhouse and involved with coaches, etc. But even if that's not true: if you field an ineligible player, there are consequences.


I agree with you on this. However, the NCAA doesn't normally sanction teams that UNKNOWINGLY use ineligle players. They will make them forfeit games said player was used in. But how often do the teams lose scholarships, get banned from post season play, etc., for using a guy that they didn't know was ineligible?
 

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Does anybody really beleive that the coaches and staff did not know Bush was on the take and that his family was living a life of luxury far beyone their means? If you do, I have some waterfront property (here we call it a swamp) that I would like to sell you. The University must pay the price for these indulgences that they claim to know nothing about! Loss of the NC, return of the Heisman, and punitive damages against Bush and The Poodle seem to be in order here. Tough...You bet!
 
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Maybe the Saints will have to forfeit some games along with USC...oh, wait, they haven't won any yet.
 

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Bush reached a settlement with only one of the guys, I believe. They couldn't reach a settlement with the other. I also think that one of the terms of the settlement was a confidentiality agreement and not to speak with the NCAA. However, they claim Bush broke this when he spoke of "extortion" during an ESPN interview. Apparently, Bush tried to bully ESPN out of airing that interview. You can find a bunch of this at Yahoo! Sports. They are the ones who are doing the real work on this case. I've also read that the NCAA might be taking a long time with this because they are going to seriously drop the hammer. Who knows? If Carroll and Co. didn't know about this, they are really living in a bubble. If you have a kid like Bush in your program, you better attach an assistant to him, like one of those small fish on a shark. Not doing that is like letting your kids and your program go to the wolves.
 

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Cheatin' punks. They get what they deserve.

Has USC ever been put on probation? I know they are not on Alabama's every two year level but have they been caught for anything before?
 

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They were put on proby after the first John Robinson era as well if memory serves... correct?
 
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Does anybody really beleive that the coaches and staff did not know Bush was on the take and that his family was living a life of luxury far beyone their means? If you do, I have some waterfront property (here we call it a swamp) that I would like to sell you. The University must pay the price for these indulgences that they claim to know nothing about! Loss of the NC, return of the Heisman, and punitive damages against Bush and The Poodle seem to be in order here. Tough...You bet!

Not tough..........ignorant. I don't "believe that the coaches and staff did not know Bush was on the take and that his family was living a life of luxury far beyond their means", but neither do I know they DID. It's not like the coaches have dinner with the athletes at their houses, or get invited to parties at their houses. And get this.......these kids are in college, they are not government employees or even employees in sensitive business jobs. What reason would the University, or the coaches, have to interrogate these kids about the financial arrangements of their parents? If I was a kid, and my coach asked me about my parents' finances, I would tell him to go piss up a rope. I'd tell him that my family's finances were none of his effing business. It's not like this kid from a poor family suddenly showed up on campus driving a $75,000 Mercedes.
By the way........the NCAA does not award the Heisman, and has ZERO control over whether or not the award would be forfeited.

I'm sorry, Irish52, but you really sound like a bitter fan with your post. Let's let the facts of the case come out, before we start calling for punitive damages, shall we?
 

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And get this.......these kids are in college, they are not government employees or even employees in sensitive business jobs. What reason would the University, or the coaches, have to interrogate these kids about the financial arrangements of their parents? If I was a kid, and my coach asked me about my parents' finances, I would tell him to go piss up a rope. I'd tell him that my family's finances were none of his effing business. It's not like this kid from a poor family suddenly showed up on campus driving a $75,000 Mercedes.

To be fair the college football is a HUGE business. Like it or not the college coach is almost always the most highly paid member of the university (or upper-high school if you go to scUM as a football player). Colleges make wads of cash from the football program and should be held responsible for the actions of their players. Now I'm not saying they can control everything, and sometimes NCAA regs can screw them. But nonetheless, it's still their job and they must accept consequences if they are responsible. It isn't like any D1A program gets into it without knowing their exact obligations, and the consequences. There are a mounting number of things that point to them trying to tiptoe the line of what they can and cannot get away with, and that doesn't happen at clean programs.

I'd say if he turns out to be guilty, which seems increasingly likely, he should voluntarily return his trophy. USuCk should lose their games on paper that he played in and the PAC10 championship (if they won it that year...I don't care so I don't know).

Frankly I'm sick of the NCAA being the UN. Lot's of inane rules, and inconsistent enforcement. Off the record, I got an unofficial scholarship to play at my D3 school, which is against the rules, so I cant complain too much. But when there are millions (or billions at this point?) wrapped up in it, you must take enforcement seriously.
 

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That's right about the Heisman. The NCAA has nada to do with that. As regards to championships, that is probably not in the cards either. Do they just give it to Oklahoma who got smoked? I always hated how the entire team gets punished for a few guys. Especially when it's a coach who then leaves for the pros or another program. Speaking of which, is this the year that Carroll jumps ship? If USC did know about what was happening, and I think they did with Bush, they should be punished accordingly with scholarships. Again, I don't think you can really forfeit a National Championship. That seems a little harsh to me. As far as giving up games, who really cares? Would we be pumped that we really beat them by forfeit? I'd rather beat them straight up.
 

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ESPN just did a segment on this... that is a BIG BIG sign to me... ESPN has ignored this for the large part with the exception of the original break... even then they made it clear to state nothing would happen to SC... now even they seem to be looking at this with an "ah oh" type attitude...

If big daddy is starting to worry then the smoke may have finally lead to fire
 

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F....k The NCAA and they dumb ass rules they comew down with. While you at it F...k the cheating ass USCUM'sm also. Matter of fact Pete Carrol also. Damn that felt good
 

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F....k The NCAA and they dumb ass rules they comew down with. While you at it F...k the cheating ass USCUM'sm also. Matter of fact Pete Carrol also. Damn that felt good

Easy there big guy. Save it for the field.
 
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