Notre Dame #9 in BCS Standings

[jerseyborn1971]

Florida would be a winnable bowl.

I think Scoop and I are the only ones who think ND can beat Florida. Someone please tell me I'm wrong and others believe as well. Maybe it's because I live in Florida and watch both ND and UF play every week.

 

[scooper]

Yes, but ND would have to score 40+ points to win. Our D couldn't hold them under 35-40 points.

This is what I don't get.....why? The defense hasn't given up 40 points yet this season. (14 of Michigan's points were returns against the offense) I'm not saying Florida can't score, but some of you are giving their offense waaay too much credit. Their offense is a liability to their defense like our defense is to our offense.

Have any of you people who keep saying Florida would score 40 actually watched much of their offense this year?

 

[tommy]

i agree with you scoop and jersey and not because im in florida . this isnt the 95 gators they are making stupid mistakes and nd would be right in it i dont know who would win but i sure as hell know the gators would be in a football game . hangin 40 on nd thats funny

 

[punishment]

Nebraska lost 62-36 to Colorado in 2001 in the Big 12 Championship. (Miami won NC)
Oklahoma lost 35-7 to Kansas State in 2003 in the Big 12 Championship. (SC won NC)

Actually, Nebraska lost to Colorado in teh final game of the season. Colorado then beat Texas in the Big 12 title game. Besides, Nebrasak could not have played Colorado in the Big 12 championship game, as they are both in the Big 12 North.

 

[punishment]

This is what I don't get.....why? The defense hasn't given up 40 points yet this season. (14 of Michigan's points were returns against the offense) I'm not saying Florida can't score, but some of you are giving their offense waaay too much credit. Their offense is a liability to their defense like our defense is to our offense.

Have any of you people who keep saying Florida would score 40 actually watched much of their offense this year?

Usually though, the team with the strong defense wins out. It's like the overused, cliche phrase says, defense wins championships.

 

[scooper]

Usually though, the team with the strong defense wins out. It's like the overused, cliche phrase says, defense wins championships.

SO now we're turning the argument around since Florida's great offense has been debunked?

A great defense would be wonderful. But great defenses always beating great offenses is a tired cliche. Sometimes they do, but not always. ND-UF would be a great matchup.

 

[tommy]

id love to see nd florida

 

[BGIF]

I'm with you on this one Scoop. Play the best opponent you can.

Glory has to be WON, and you win it by beating the best.

And besides, those "sure wins" in bowl games can be elusive. No? Two words: Oregon State.

Another rock thrown by a glasshouse living wolverweasel. Nice win against BYU for the National Championship in the Culligan Bowl or was it the Sea World Bowl?

The game that set the groundwork for the BCS, an undefeated mid major conference team playing a mediocre, 6-5, major conference grateful to be anywhere for a bowl team.

Hail to the Underachievers!

 

[maison bleu]

Another rock thrown by a glasshouse living wolverweasel. Nice win against BYU for the National Championship in the Culligan Bowl or was it the Sea World Bowl?

The game that set the groundwork for the BCS, an undefeated mid major conference team playing a mediocre, 6-5, major conference grateful to be anywhere for a bowl team.

Hail to the Underachievers!

Dude, I think you misunderstand. I wasn't trying to throw stones. I was trying to point out that sometimes what seems like an easy bowl opponent turns out to be otherwise. Like both Beaver bowls. Last year, I'm sure a lot of Georgia fans though they were a sure thing against WV. Whoever plays Boise State this year will feel the same thing.

 

[FleaFlicker]

I think the people that believe Florida would kill us are dillusional. UM killed us, in what was easily our worst game of the last two-years. Sometimes people have bad games. OSU had a bad game this weekend. You dodn't think that if they had played like that against UM, they would have won, when UM was having a good day?

ND had a great game against USC last year, and USC had a good/average game agains them, and look what happened.

We can play with anyone is the country, it is a simple as that. We may not win every game, but before the game starts, there is NO game that we CAN'T win.

That being said, I'm in agreement with most people about Florida. They are ridiculously average. They just blend in with every other team. There have been a handful of games against very inferiour competition, that they didn't win convincingly. Anyone here can agree that ND is hardly "inferior competition" like Vandy is.

It will be a good game, it could absolutely go any way possible. ND could blow out Florida, Florida could blow out ND. ND could win in a nail-biter, Florida could win in a nail biter.

 

[NDgettysburg]

They missed last Thursday night's game - the Big East Rules! Three unbeatens and then mighty, mighty Pittsburgh.

From many of the posts here this season we'd be lucky if Rutgers would condescend to play ND. After all Rutgers has a defense!

They beat Illinois by 33 in a shutout when OSU was lucky to escape by 7.

They trounced Navy by 34 in another shutout.

They held UNC to 16 points in their 5 point win.

They layed 56 points on Division 1aa Howard. Weis can't reach 56!

Hehe....

Can ND be selected for the Lackluster Bowl so Irish fans can hold their heads up high at the office coffee pot?

Said it before, I'll say it again....SCREW THAT. We get criticized for beating teams like GaTech during the reg season. How would beating the same level team in a bowl be any more respectable?

 

[proudndfan]

Our defense with all respect... is not good. I think if we get into a BCS bowl that we will gets our butts handed to us if the defense cannot stop anything.

 

[NDgettysburg]

...we will gets our butts handed to us if the defense cannot stop anything.

I don't think there's a team in the country you couldn't say that about

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Our defense with all respect... is not good. I think if we get into a BCS bowl that we will gets our butts handed to us if the defense cannot stop anything.

8-1. Your team goes 8-1 with it's ONLY loss to the #2 unbeaten Wolverines and you think they get their butts handed to them. It's sad when an ND fan buys into the hype spewed by haters and ESPN. Go ahead and throw around opinions and predictions. MY team is 8-1 against a schedule that is constantly under attack even though our opponents come from 3 BCS conferences and have have a collective winning record.

What does it take for some people?

 

[NDgettysburg]

8-1. Your team goes 8-1 with it's ONLY loss to the #2 unbeaten Wolverines and you think they get their butts handed to them. It's sad when an ND fan buys into the hype spewed by haters and ESPN. Go ahead and throw around opinions and predictions. MY team is 8-1 against a schedule that is constantly under attack even though our opponents come from 3 BCS conferences and have have a collective winning record.

What does it take for some people?

If they'd only join a conference....because we know a cupcake really isn't a cupcake if it's a member of your conference

 

[BGIF]

If they'd only join a conference....because we know a cupcake really isn't a cupcake if it's a member of your conference

In conference cupcake? You're talknig about a bowl revenue sharing hero that took one for the conference so the conference championhip team would only had to play two tough games in a season.

Cupcakes?

Ball State isn't even a Twinkie!

 

[bmf175]

Exactly. ND fans worry too much about what other fans and the pundits are saying. They will always find poo to throw.

Some ND fans yes, others think ND will beat the Colts and can do no wrong. Who is right or wrong?
Theres a difference in being "scared" to play a true top 5 team in a bowl and knowing what your teams limitations are. IMO the fan that thinks ND can do no wrong is by far the wrong of the two.
Nothing wrong in admitting the team has too many weak spots to hang with a top 5 team THIS YEAR. But there is something wrong with ignoring the weak points and thinking we can do no wrong.

 

[TexasDomer]

JB1971,

I hear you, but it does give me pause to see how we continue to struggle to get a good running game going and protect Brady against average to below-average defenses, and how our defense continues to have a penchant for giving up the big play. I'm not buying into the "haters," so much as trying to take an objective look at how we stack up against other one-loss teams.

Our SOS rating will continue to go down against AFA and Army (assuming we win both), and right now it is projected to be 50th by the end of the year (acc. to NCAA rankings). We have to make up that ground with convincing wins to influence human voters, then beat USC at home, when they have two WRs in Smith and Jarrett who are much more dangerous than the WRs at Purdue and UNC that put up 170+ on us.

Until our OL dominates start to finish and our defense dominates start to finish, we all have reason for concern about our ability to win a BCS bowl game. Concern's not the same as defeatism.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

In conference cupcake? You're talknig about a bowl revenue sharing hero that took one for the conference so the conference championhip team would only had to play two tough games in a season.

Cupcakes?

Ball State isn't even a Twinkie!

I don't get it....I'm missing the point on this one.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

JB1971,

I hear you, but it does give me pause to see how we continue to struggle to get a good running game going and protect Brady against average to below-average defenses, and how our defense continues to have a penchant for giving up the big play. I'm not buying into the "haters," so much as trying to take an objective look at how we stack up against other one-loss teams.

Our SOS rating will continue to go down against AFA and Army (assuming we win both), and right now it is projected to be 50th by the end of the year (acc. to NCAA rankings). We have to make up that ground with convincing wins to influence human voters, then beat USC at home, when they have two WRs in Smith and Jarrett who are much more dangerous than the WRs at Purdue and UNC that put up 170+ on us.

Until our OL dominates start to finish and our defense dominates start to finish, we all have reason for concern about our ability to win a BCS bowl game. Concern's not the same as defeatism.

Saying we would get our butts handed to us is NOT concerned. It's the definition of defeatism. That's the quote I was responding to.

Assuming ND wins out, saying an 11-1 Notre Dame team is not capable of competing in a BCS game is ludicrous.

 

[bmf175]

8-1. Your team goes 8-1 with it's ONLY loss to the #2 unbeaten Wolverines and you think they get their butts handed to them. It's sad when an ND fan buys into the hype spewed by haters and ESPN. Go ahead and throw around opinions and predictions. MY team is 8-1 against a schedule that is constantly under attack even though our opponents come from 3 BCS conferences and have have a collective winning record.

What does it take for some people?

Case and point....ND can do NO wrong.

Hey everybody we are 8-1 we deserve to play in a BCS bowl. Never mind the fact that our O forgets to show up sometimes and our D relies on our O to out score the opponent.

Like coach Holtz says A championship team needs a great Defense, Defense wins championships. Your O can cover for the D in regular season against lesser teams so you MAY be able to get to the championship game. But if you win or not depends on your D!!!! We will not win against a team with a great O and a great D.

 

[mirertobrooks]

The most undeserving team to win the national championship was the 1990 Colorado squad 10-1-1 (AP), Georgia Tech got a split by going 11-0-1 (UPI). They played nobody. Colorado also needed a "5th down" play to beat Missouri and bullshit clip called on Rocket's punt return in the Orange Bowl.

Funny thing is if they hadn't called Rocket's PR back I think ND would have won the NC (AP)going 10-2!

 

[NDgettysburg]

Theres a difference in being "scared" to play a true top 5 team in a bowl and knowing what your teams limitations are.

I would rather lose to a good team than spank a poor one.

I don't get it....I'm missing the point on this one.

It's sarcasm, son....sarcasm

 

[NDgettysburg]

Hey everybody we are 8-1 we deserve to play in a BCS bowl. Never mind the fact that our O forgets to show up sometimes and our D relies on our O to out score the opponent.

Dang, for a second there, I thought you were talking about WVU and Looey Ville!

And it's "case in point", by the way

 

[bmf175]

Dang, for a second there, I thought you were talking about WVU and Looey Ville!

And it's "case in point", by the way

Yeah but at least those are two high powered Offenses that are undefeated. Is MSU a high powered Offense? UCLA? Hell even UNC had us sitting on the edge of our seats for a little while, oh yes dont forget Purdue, and oh yes GT, wait aminute Navy kept it close in the first half.

Do I need go on? Oh wait I cant THATS EVERYBODY!!!

We have played two teams so far that have fired their coach before the end of the season. We let both of them look better than they actually are!!!

And umm... does it really matter?

 

[bmf175]

I would rather lose to a good team than spank a poor one.


It's sarcasm, son....sarcasm

POOR teams dont go to bowl games, there is an actual winning record requirement. And is ND above playing a #18 team in a bowl game? Last I checked UCLA was unranked but almost beat us. Not to mention others.

 

[tommy]

bullshit half the bowl games are poor teams if you go bye your thinking bmf

 

[NDgettysburg]

Yeah but at least those are two high powered Offenses that are undefeated.

So what? They both depend on their offense's ability to outscore the opponent because their defense can't stop anyone. Which is what you said about ND. And in case you hadn't heard, WVU is no longer undefeated.

And umm... does it really matter?

If you're trying to sound intelligent while making a point...yes.

POOR teams dont go to bowl games, there is an actual winning record requirement.

Excuse me...I'd rather lose to a good team than spank an average one. Better?

And I think an argument could be made that a fair number of poor teams go to bowls, what with the number of games that are played after the reg season.

Last I checked UCLA was unranked but almost beat us.

Last I checked, they don't award wins for almost beating the other team.

 

[tommy]

i would never in my life say i would rather play a "winnable bowl" thats just rediculous to me . yea nd isnt a top 2 team or 5 team for that matter but they have proved the ability to win while playing average or even below average . imagine what will be said if we do go to the gator bowl nd wold be smeared no matter win or lose .

 

[Aerosmith777]

i would never in my life say i would rather play a "winnable bowl" thats just rediculous to me .

It amazes me how many haters try to use that line of logic though (particularly BC fans it seems to me). I'd rather they play a top 5 team in the Sugar Bowl and let the chips fall where they may than go play Clemson in the Gator Bowl.