what political party do you belong to?

[stonebreakerwasgod]

sorry man, I call BS here...

Jim Webb is far more conservative than Lieberman pretends to be...he was embraced and highly funded.

and exactly how much power does Webb have? Virtually none, as do few of the 'moderates' in the democratic party. Is Webb the guy in Virginia?? He may be more conservative than Liebermann, because Joe is far left on a lot of issues. My point was that Joe veered off the party line on ONE issue, and became a pariah. That should tell you where the dems are coming from on the issue of defense.

 

[marv81s]

sorry man, I call BS here...

Jim Webb is far more conservative than Lieberman pretends to be...he was embraced and highly funded.

agreed, Lieberman is far from conservative. The only thing he can viewed as a conservative on is his support of the Iraq War, other than that, he is left of center.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Absolutely. I'm not a huge Liebermann fan, nor should he become a republican. I admire his stance on the war, and for that, the dems threw him out to dry. Sounds to me like the tolerant ones in the dem party, and at colleges, don't really care for contrarian viewpoints.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

agreed, Lieberman is far from conservative. The only thing he can viewed as a conservative on is his support of the Iraq War, other than that, he is left of center.

When is the last time a national women's group or ethnic organization supported a conservative candidate that was female or black. Basically, and this was the larger point, if you aren't pro-abortion or anti-war, you aren't going to get anywhere in the dem party. Whether or not you agree with them on 95% of the issues. That is the fundamental basis for the party today.

 

[marv81s]

i agree stoney

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

I belong to the "none of your d@#n business" party. ;-)

LOL Well said.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

and exactly how much power does Webb have? Virtually none, as do few of the 'moderates' in the democratic party. Is Webb the guy in Virginia?? He may be more conservative than Liebermann, because Joe is far left on a lot of issues. My point was that Joe veered off the party line on ONE issue, and became a pariah. That should tell you where the dems are coming from on the issue of defense.

Becoming a Pariah is hardly unheard of over a major issue. Republicans have done this to many.

It does speak loads to Defense. Democrats are currently more focused on National Defense and Repubclicans are more focused on Nation Building. When Clinton was of Nation Building he caught all kinds of hell from Republicans.

In fact, when Clinton talked about attacking Iraq back in 1998, the party that called for investigations into this was the Repubclicans.

Funny how things change when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

When is the last time a national women's group or ethnic organization supported a conservative candidate that was female or black. Basically, and this was the larger point, if you aren't pro-abortion or anti-war, you aren't going to get anywhere in the dem party. Whether or not you agree with them on 95% of the issues. That is the fundamental basis for the party today.

Yeah, there is truth to this in most cases...not all. Imagine how far an anti-war, pro-choicer would get in the Republican party.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I could be wrong (and will readily admit that when it pertains to feminism). To me, it was about gaining access to the work place, not staying home with the kids, not having to have kids (right to privacy is huge in this cause), equal pay, having men share more of the workload at home. I'm sure I'm missing several. But, it sure isn't about trying to have all women gain success, whatever that means to each individual.

It's not about not staying home with the kids, it's about equal rights.

For instance, Divorce laws were set up to keep women at home. Many have been changed. Equal pay for equal work. Access to contraception. Etc. Basically, equality in basic rights.

Interestingly, when I lived in Richmond, IN a number of drug stores refused to carry condoms as they were seen as immoral. :O

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Becoming a Pariah is hardly unheard of over a major issue. Republicans have done this to many.

It does speak loads to Defense. Democrats are currently more focused on National Defense and Repubclicans are more focused on Nation Building. When Clinton was of Nation Building he caught all kinds of hell from Republicans.

In fact, when Clinton talked about attacking Iraq back in 1998, the party that called for investigations into this was the Repubclicans.

Funny how things change when the shoe is on the other foot.

No, it's funny how the dems want to withdraw and let the terrorists succeed.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

It's not about not staying home with the kids, it's about equal rights.

For instance, Divorce laws were set up to keep women at home. Many have been changed. Equal pay for equal work. Access to contraception. Etc. Basically, equality in basic rights.

Interestingly, when I lived in Richmond, IN a number of drug stores refused to carry condoms as they were seen as immoral. :O

To many it is immoral. The US has to treat the Koran with such respect for the inmates at Gitmo, while Christians are rediculed for their beliefs at home. Wonder why that is.

Feminism has morphed from equal pay and man-hating, to the privacy argument. Nothing wrong with women being on the same level with men at the workplace. I think the opposition comes in when the agenda becomes somewhat enlarged.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

On the way home from work today (getting back to the free sharing of ideas in colleges), a faculty has recommended firing a professor who emailed to everyone a copy of George Washingtons thanksgiving address. Five people complained of harassment. What was the harassing nature of our first President's address....the only thing I can think of is the repeated use of the word God. I understand that they complained about the link coming from a conservative site, but why should that be an issue in a free exchange of information environment? Hmmm....

Not exactly the whole story. He was suspended back in 2005 for this exactly same violation of school policy...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0508freespeechprof0508.html

He was intentionally trying to rile people, which is another reason they did not take it well. He even made a sarcastic remark at the end of his e-mail:
“I apologize if I preempted The Diversity Office in posting this.”

So basically, he was suspended for sending out e-mails using the School wide list-serv and now they are firing him for doing it AGAIN and AGAIN.

Shocker.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

No, they fired him because he posted things they didn't agree with. You can justify ANY firing of anybody..don't make it right. If Ward Churchill was doing this, they would make him dean.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

No, it's funny how the dems want to withdraw and let the terrorists succeed.

Leaving Iraq will not let any terrorists succeed at anything. It WILL deny them an easy battlefront.

Let's think back to Saddam:
He was a heretic...a non-muslim. Hated by all Muslim countries.

During his reign how many suicide bombings were there?

Zero.

Leaving Iraq will leave the terrorists high and dry...and faced with a Shiite enemy that will see them all hanged. Instead we remain and we distract the Shiites from finishing the job.

I would not argue to leave immediately, but we brought the terrorists to Iraq...we did not find them there. It's a pretty big difference.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

No, they fired him because he posted things they didn't agree with. You can justify ANY firing of anybody..don't make it right. If Ward Churchill was doing this, they would make him dean.

Ummm...maybe you should look up his history a bit more.

What really riled people the first few times was that he was sending out anti-Mexican e-mails with links directly to White Supremacist sites.

Being an open bigot on a WORK-related distribution list is generally considered bad form.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Feminism has morphed from equal pay and man-hating, to the privacy argument.

There are some who have moved to this agenda. But they are bigots.

Nothing wrong with women being on the same level with men at the workplace. I think the opposition comes in when the agenda becomes somewhat enlarged.

Nah, the opposition came when equal pay was expected. The opposition was there from the beginning. [there is FAR less now though] Although, during my last 10 years in corporate America one thing I have been pretty shocked to find is the # of men who openly tell me (behind closed doors) that they would never want to work for a woman or would never promote one to being a manager since women are far too "weak".

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

So much for academic freedom..which means that anti-American expression is ok, while anything else is considered bad form.

As far as colleges being an open forum for free debate...It's ok as long as its liberal thought, while conservatives who speak at universities get shouted down and pelted with assorted items.

Maybe this guy was a scumbag, but there are tons of scumbags at colleges who get free passes. It's a shame you miss the big picture by focusing on the trivialities. If what he did the first time merited firing, it should have occured. I'd luv to know who else uses the system wide email system, and for what purpose.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Leaving Iraq will not let any terrorists succeed at anything. It WILL deny them an easy battlefront.

Let's think back to Saddam:
He was a heretic...a non-muslim. Hated by all Muslim countries.

During his reign how many suicide bombings were there?

Zero.

Leaving Iraq will leave the terrorists high and dry...and faced with a Shiite enemy that will see them all hanged. Instead we remain and we distract the Shiites from finishing the job.

I would not argue to leave immediately, but we brought the terrorists to Iraq...we did not find them there. It's a pretty big difference.

Wrong..they were there before the Iraq war. They just seized an opportunity to increase havoc, and are getting help from Iran, Syria, and others.
I know, let's leave Iraq now, let them grow in numbers and have bases to train so that they can perform more 9-11's on us in the future. I agree with Bush on this one..fight 'em there, or fight 'em here. (whether we like it or not)

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Maybe this guy was a scumbag, but there are tons of scumbags at colleges who get free passes. It's a shame you miss the big picture by focusing on the trivialities. If what he did the first time merited firing, it should have occured. I'd luv to know who else uses the system wide email system, and for what purpose.

What he did the first time merited being suspended with a warning that he would be fired.

He did it again.

Cut and dry case.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Wrong..they were there before the Iraq war. They just seized an opportunity to increase havoc, and are getting help from Iran, Syria, and others.

They were not there before per se, because MOST of the terrorists are "ordinary" Iraqis. Former Ba'athists & Sunnis.

In fact, nearly half the suicide bombers have been identified. NONE were from outside Iraq, they were locals whose families were there for generations.

They are crazy and they believe that we are an illegitimate occupier.

I know, let's leave Iraq now, let them grow in numbers and have bases to train so that they can perform more 9-11's on us in the future. I agree with Bush on this one..fight 'em there, or fight 'em here. (whether we like it or not)

If you leave now, the Shiites will settle it right quick.

There will NEVER be a day when we beat the terrorists in Iraq, never. It's impossible. The longer we stay, the more attacks there are. For every terrorist that dies, 2 more spring up. It's an endless well so long as the Iraqis keep breeding.

The only way to stop it is to kill EVERY man woman and child in Iraq right now...no hesitation.

As General Patraeus said "We cannot defeat the insurgency."

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Look, five people complained of harassment because of an email of George Washington's thanksgiving address?? Fire him right away! Pulease.

We all know that people break rules at work. The ones who get fired are those the company wants to get rid of.
I don't think there is anything cut and dry here. Again, luv to find out who else has used it to put out their own 'stuff'.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

They were not there before per se, because MOST of the terrorists are "ordinary" Iraqis. Former Ba'athists & Sunnis.

In fact, nearly half the suicide bombers have been identified. NONE were from outside Iraq, they were locals whose families were there for generations.

They are crazy and they believe that we are an illegitimate occupier.



If you leave now, the Shiites will settle it right quick.

There will NEVER be a day when we beat the terrorists in Iraq, never. It's impossible. The longer we stay, the more attacks there are. For every terrorist that dies, 2 more spring up. It's an endless well so long as the Iraqis keep breeding.

The only way to stop it is to kill EVERY man woman and child in Iraq right now...no hesitation.

As General Patraeus said "We cannot defeat the insurgency."

Actually, even the shias are turning against the foreign terrorists who want to instill their extreme idea of Islam. This story is greatly under-reported. This tells me that there is hope for Iraq, given some more time, and finally, the correct strategy.
Let's just pull a Kucinich, withdraw, and let the Iraqis get slaughtered. While at the same time, the Iranians become de-facto rulers of Iraq.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Look, five people complained of harassment because of an email of George Washington's thanksgiving address?? Fire him right away! Pulease.

Actually, the complaint is about the links to Buchanan's site, not the address.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Actually, even the shias are turning against the foreign terrorists who want to instill their extreme idea of Islam. This story is greatly under-reported. This tells me that there is hope for Iraq, given some more time, and finally, the correct strategy.

Some shias, some sunnis. But as Patraeus also stated, the foreign fighters are more myth than reality. This is an insurgency, not a counter-invasion.

Let's just pull a Kucinich, withdraw, and let the Iraqis get slaughtered. While at the same time, the Iranians become de-facto rulers of Iraq.

It would be a bloodbath for sure.

However, given that vast majority of Iraq is Shiite, you can bet that if democracy plays out, Iran will be the defacto ruler of Iraq.

The only way to stop that is to install a friendly dictator.

 

[ACamp1900]

I don't have a party really, but I'm very anti liberal in most cases...

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Actually, the complaint is about the links to Buchanan's site, not the address.

I know. But in the world of academia, should that bother anyone?? I think the intolerance of other viewpoints is almost (I said almost) laughable.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Some shias, some sunnis. But as Patraeus also stated, the foreign fighters are more myth than reality. This is an insurgency, not a counter-invasion.



It would be a bloodbath for sure.

However, given that vast majority of Iraq is Shiite, you can bet that if democracy plays out, Iran will be the defacto ruler of Iraq.

The only way to stop that is to install a friendly dictator.

I think enough people are tiring of the bloodshed to where this could work. Who knows. All I know is that pulling out is a horrible idea, and anyone who supports that is doing so purely for political reasons, not for the best interest of Iraq and us.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I know. But in the world of academia, should that bother anyone?? I think the intolerance of other viewpoints is almost (I said almost) laughable.

It bothered them based on his history not based on the link alone.

My 4 year old does the same thing. I tell her not to do something. Then she does it to test me. Then she gets punished. Then she looks surprised and acts like I never told her.

 

[ACamp1900]

Btw LMI... guess what one the topics was in my advanced thoery of eduction course Monday night...

"In what ways can liberalism be tied to the decline in our countries moral fiber from an educational standpoint???" no shit.


anyway, you two boys have fun, continue

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

It bothered them based on his history not based on the link alone.

My 4 year old does the same thing. I tell her not to do something. Then she does it to test me. Then she gets punished. Then she looks surprised and acts like I never told her.

I'm not concerned with what he did/didn't do. It's the singling out of him that bothers me. Others have done far worse with no consequences.