Marc Tyler To Announce Thursday!

[Fitzgerald]

I will agree with some of the things in here Fitz.

As far as the Mike hart injury, I don't think it affected me either way. I remember that he was a threat that game and that he got injured, but was injury going to secure an ND win? Who knows. Was I doing cartwheels and hoping that someone would do a Nancy Kerrigan on his knee and a WWE pile driver to finish the job? Hell no. It happened, but I did not wish it upon him.

"If he plays, maybe we lose". Yeah, but if he plays, maybe we win too. I just don't want to win because of somebody's misfortune or painful injury. I want to win because we were the better team that day.

Injuries (except those resulting from cheap shots) are part of the game. ND was the better team that day. If you win because the other team's best player gets hurt, and he was hurt on a clean play, you're still the better team. The other team has worse luck, but that doesn't mean you won cause you were lucky.

And Jigga, that's fine, and I'd say the same thing. But I'd add that (though I don't go out of my way to root for it) if Tyler tore an ACL I wouldn't feel bad. Nor would any USC fan feel bad if Brady got hurt in the first game. It's tribalism. Like when the Cardinals fans tried (and failed) to restrain their glee when Derrek Lee got hurt. Well, when Pujols got hurt, Cub fans felt just as good, and only hoped he would be out for a long time - maybe that he was on steroids, too, and that that came out while he was on the DL. Being a good fan of a particular team isn't necessarily conducive to being a good fan of a particular sport.

 

[jiggafini19]

I have to agree with you Fitz.

I was excited to see that Mike Hart got jacked up by Corey Mays. It was a great hit and Hart happened to get hurt. Problem was, the big Grady kid came in to replace him. My mind immediately went to containing him. Hart became an afterthought.

If Tyler goes to USC and ends up having injury problems, it really won't concern me one way of the other. I can't really say I'd be happy or sad about it. I certainly wouldn't wish it, but if it happens it happens. In the scope of competition, if Reggie Bush had been unable to play in South Bend last October I can honestly say that I would have been content in a football state of mind. But I would not want him to get a blood clot in his leg.

I'm sure there are some sick haters out there waiting for something bad to happen to BQ. I prefer ND gets everyone they play at full strength so the haters have no excuses when the dust settles.

Did Ohio State really miss Bobby Carpenter much in the Fiesta Bowl? Didn't look like it.

 

[maroonknight1]

I saw a lot of running back videos, and if we lose Tyler I wish him the best, but there are
others out there who are just as good or better. i cant understnd how the top rated QB and HB in the country can be from the same schools anyway.

 

[domerfor life]

I saw a lot of running back videos, and if we lose Tyler I wish him the best, but there are
others out there who are just as good or better. i cant understnd how the top rated QB and HB in the country can be from the same schools anyway.

You think Jimmy Clausen has something to do with that? Just a question. I'm not saying Tyler's not that great. I haven't seen any videos of him, so I can't make that call.

 

[jiggafini19]

Once Clausen hands him the ball, there really isn't much he can do for Tyler.

That Oaks Christian team is pretty loaded. Lots of individual talent there. Anyone could be feeding off of anyone.

I've said before that I think Tyler is the best player on that team. No slight on Clausen. Both are extremely advanced for their positions at this particular age.

 

[Indydomer]

Im still holding out on Tyler. I still think he is coming to nd. I can't understand why he would want to go to USC and be on the bench for a couple years, when he can come here and maybe play some as a freshman. And we talked before about how he didn't want to be in Clausen's shadow, but if he goes to USC he's in Bush and White's shadow. They are looking to replace two of the best RB in USC history.

I hope he is ND bound fellas!!

 

[chrislw35]

Looking at the tape...

Looking at the tape...

Once Clausen hands him the ball, there really isn't much he can do for Tyler.

That Oaks Christian team is pretty loaded. Lots of individual talent there. Anyone could be feeding off of anyone.

I've said before that I think Tyler is the best player on that team. No slight on Clausen. Both are extremely advanced for their positions at this particular age.

I have looked at the highlight videos just the same as the next guy, correct me if you feel i am wrong, but it looked like everyone played the pass before the run against Oak Christian. That would make Tyler playing off of Claussen? Correct?

 

[jiggafini19]

A great point as to how the opposition is lining up against them.

Jimmy Clausen does not run down field for Tyler, he doesn't hit the hole for Tyler, doesn't maintain Tyler's balance or speed or strength , doesn't break tackles for him. He is a complete enough back to fit into a pro style ND-USC type of offense.

He ran for almost 2200 yards and 39 TD as a junior last year. 20-some catches for 421 yards and 6 TD as well. 2200 yards playing off Clausen? That's walk on water "I make my teammates better" kind of good.

You can reverse the hypotheical question: What would happen if Clausen were without Tyler and not the other way around? Clausen also has three DB/WR recruits on his team in Marshall Jones, Sean Wiser and Anthonly Gildon. Oaks Christian is a very good football team with HS talent that is far above average and Jimmy has got some boys around him who can play ball.

10 other guys on this team are getting D-I attention besides Clausen.

 

[rontdtarchala]

There is simply no way I can hold my thoughts back on this one folks.....if you wish harm in any way, shape, or form on anyone in the relm of football you lack....a miread of the most basic human traits....My God what are you thinking!! You win games because you do the basics...you win because you practice harder and longer...you win because you play as a team and overcome adversity...you do not win by hoping any individual is rendered unable to play...champions become champions by doing their best against the best...I respect all of you as I have previously stated...your inside knowledge of whats going on with our beloved Notre Dame is funominal...There is no reasoning what some of you are saying here....none! We are the Irish!!! Play like champions today-players and fan-natics.
I extend my apologies to any I have offended...We are the best because we rule our lives to attain the best.........

 

[irishnd31]

There is simply no way I can hold my thoughts back on this one folks.....if you wish harm in any way, shape, or form on anyone in the relm of football you lack....a miread of the most basic human traits....My God what are you thinking!! You win games because you do the basics...you win because you practice harder and longer...you win because you play as a team and overcome adversity...you do not win by hoping any individual is rendered unable to play...champions become champions by doing their best against the best...I respect all of you as I have previously stated...your inside knowledge of whats going on with our beloved Notre Dame is funominal...There is no reasoning what some of you are saying here....none! We are the Irish!!! Play like champions today-players and fan-natics.
I extend my apologies to any I have offended...We are the best because we rule our lives to attain the best.........

Agree ron

 

[Fitzgerald]

Sorry, it's a little hard to take a lesson on ethics from a guy misspelling myriad as miread and phenomenal as funominal. Also, your post is the only fanatical-sounding one here so far. Ya know.

Now to address a real person -

Jigga, your post makes sense, but you seemed to ignore Chris's comment that the D played the pass against Oaks Christian more than the run. Both Clausen and Tyler are top prospects who put up amazing numbers, but one had defenses set up specifically to stop him, and one didn't. There's a reason Clausen's rated higher than Tyler on all recruiting services, and it's not just hype.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

Sorry, it's a little hard to take a lesson on ethics from a guy misspelling myriad as miread and phenomonenal as funominal.

this has become the ultimate laugher in all of bloggingdom. dont bring spelling and/or grammar into the equation. thoughts and ideas are not limited to spelling. he made good points.

has anyone else noticed that rash of insults and putdowns lately? (i.e. this kind of stuff, and of course the religious war being waged over capital punishment)

 

[irishnd31]

this has become the ultimate laugher in all of bloggingdom. dont bring spelling and/or grammar into the equation. thoughts and ideas are not limited to spelling. he made good points.

has anyone else noticed that rash of insults and putdowns lately? (i.e. this kind of stuff, and of course the religious war being waged over capital punishment)

I noticed, and frankly I am not impressed.

 

[Irish Envy]

this has become the ultimate laugher in all of bloggingdom. dont bring spelling and/or grammar into the equation. thoughts and ideas are not limited to spelling. he made good points.

has anyone else noticed that rash of insults and putdowns lately? (i.e. this kind of stuff, and of course the religious war being waged over capital punishment)

The politics forum is exactly what it is. If you don't want to engage it he political discussion, ignore those posts. If you have a problem, as always, please PM myself or a moderator and we'll handle it.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

I noticed, and frankly I am not impressed.

i noticed too but i didn't post a message teasing him bc of it. it's just disheartening to see people focus on spelling over the point.

and svo, i dont have any problem with those posts i was just pointing out how the rape discussion lost it's focus and became a battle between who knows more about christianity rather than the politics of capital punishment. why is everyone to short lately with all these little cut downs and "you're so stupid" comments.

 

[jiggafini19]

Jigga, your post makes sense, but you seemed to ignore Chris's comment that the D played the pass against Oaks Christian more than the run. Both Clausen and Tyler are top prospects who put up amazing numbers, but one had defenses set up specifically to stop him, and one didn't. There's a reason Clausen's rated higher than Tyler on all recruiting services, and it's not just hype.

If he goes to Notre Dame or USC, won't he be playing in a similar offense that is loaded with talent and will have an emphasis on the pass?

Oaks Christian would appear to have a pretty balanced offense based on the numbers they put up, similar to that of ND and SC. 2200 yards against a 4-3-4, 5-2-4 or whatever seems awful good to me. I think that's enough to make the opponents think about being a bit more honest. But there is also a question of the caliber of their schedule, hence the anticipation of the St. Bonaventure game.

Think about the fact that if he were playing at any other high school in America, Tyler would be the man. For this reason, there might be more credence to the "getting out of Jimmy's shadow" than I would have thought of initially.

That is why Tyler will take USC.

 

[Irish Envy]

i noticed too but i didn't post a message teasing him bc of it. it's just disheartening to see people focus on spelling over the point.

and svo, i dont have any problem with those posts i was just pointing out how the rape discussion lost it's focus and became a battle between who knows more about christianity rather than the politics of capital punishment. why is everyone to short lately with all these little cut downs and "you're so stupid" comments.

Understood. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew if they have a problem, they can come to us to look into it.

 

[leppycole]

If he goes to Notre Dame or USC, won't he be playing in a similar offense that is loaded with talent and will have an emphasis on the pass?

Oaks Christian would appear to have a pretty balanced offense based on the numbers they put up, similar to that of ND and SC. 2200 yards against a 4-3-4, 5-2-4 or whatever seems awful good to me. I think that's enough to make the opponents think about being a bit more honest. But there is also a question of the caliber of their schedule, hence the anticipation of the St. Bonaventure game.

Think about the fact that if he were playing at any other high school in America, Tyler would be the man. For this reason, there might be more credence to the "getting out of Jimmy's shadow" than I would have thought of initially.

That is why Tyler will take USC.

J-
Excellent Point about the "Shadow of Clausen"!!

I am interested to see how ND' s current backups and incomming Frosh will react to all of
the Clausen hype. I am not sold on this kid as many of the ND sites are. I believe in genetics and I was never impressed with his older brothers. All I am saying is "Please prove me wrong"

One other thing, if Tyler chooses USC then I would be interesed to see what changed from the Blue and Gold game where Marc was signing hats and footballs with a "Go Irish" above his name.

 

[rontdtarchala]

I'll take mispellings over ignorance any day. Wasn't trying to degrade as you may be able to tell if you read what I put down. Will match IQ's with you anytime, if you prefer a young man become permanently disabled do to his not choosing ND you have some serious issues. Take that to the bank my literary friend

 

[rontdtarchala]

On that note I will retire to my desk and write up another loan....635,000 @ 3pts...Lord I love capitalism....oh yeah....GO IRISH!!!! Let's say we agree to disagree and go from there. Love Irish envy....did I spell it right?

 

[rontdtarchala]

Nope gotta say more...have you ever coached? If so what did you teach those young minds? I was a D/C for a junior high team thats what I coached we were undefeated 3 yrs straight....two teams scored on us!! must have done something right huh!...Sorry guys I'll shut up now.....

 

[Fitzgerald]

Yes, it's "literary" to expect someone to know English. I usually don't nitpick spelling or grammar errors, but if you're going to go out of your way to teach a civics lesson, you'd do well to not misspell basic words in a way I've never seen anyone, even in third grade, do before.

Because, ya know, such egregious spelling errors as those show another sort of ignorance, and one much worse than my supposed ignorance.

But let's follow this.

You claim that I "prefer a young man become permanently disabled do to his not choosing ND." You missed "due," another basic word, but that's par for the course. What I'd ask you is Where did I say what you say I said? I don't remember saying that I'd like to see anyone permanently disabled, or that I'd like someone to become permanently disabled for not choosing Notre Dame. And this goes back to that greater sort of ignorance I was talking about. If you can't spell, it's a good bet that you can't read. And clearly, since you're making things up, and misinterpreting things I said, you cannot read. Reread this thread, more carefully this time, and then, if you'd like, refute or argue what was actually said. I never wished harm on anyone, and I certainly didn't wish permanent disability on anyone. I said that I wouldn't feel bad if Tyler went to USC and then had an injury-plagued career. Nor would you feel bad if that happened, or anyone else feel bad. I also said I was happy when an opponent's players got hurt and were unable to play, as with Mike Hart last year. And that's honest and natural. It gives ND a better chance to win. It's not celebrating an injury, or wishing harm on anyone. It's just a natural reaction to my favorite team being given a better chance to win. I cited the reactions of Cub fans to the Pujols injury, and of Cardinal fans to the Lee injury.

Feel free to misread this post as well.

 

[Fitzgerald]

Nope gotta say more...have you ever coached? If so what did you teach those young minds? I was a D/C for a junior high team thats what I coached we were undefeated 3 yrs straight....two teams scored on us!! must have done something right huh!...Sorry guys I'll shut up now.....

This is what's called a non sequitor. It's a comment that doesn't follow what comments went before. That's fine that you've coached and had success. It has nothing to do with anything, but it's fine.

 

[pasubwaydomer]

Does anyone know if he verballed to SC

Does anyone know if he verballed to SC

This is my first post on this site...there goes my cherry! Did he verbal to the poodle?

 

[Irish Envy]

This is my first post on this site...there goes my cherry! Did he verbal to the poodle?

He will. Tomorrow at 1pm.

 

[jiggafini19]

All I am saying is "Please prove me wrong"

Leppy, you're not alone with this. I'm skeptical of Clausen. I'm skeptical of Jones and Frazer, too. At this point, all are very good prospects and one of them is bound to be a leader that can get the job done.

Frazer had the least amount of talent around him, Jones is the rawest and Clausen by far and away has more offensive talent around him than anyone of the three. It goes without saying that this isn't an exact science. It is a great problem to have, though.