'17 GA DE/OLB Robert Beal (Georgia Verbal)

[pumpdog20]

Wrestling has to divide 9.9 throughout the whole team.

 

[Irish#1]

I hope she's thanked her brother.

 

[NDohio]

baseball is a full ride in div 1

College Athletic Scholarship Limits - Scholarship Stats.com

Breakdown of how many scholarships each sport receives at each division.

 

[IrishLion]

It's strange to me that DIII schools can't give scholarships, but NAIA schools can.

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning on that.

 

[Domina Nostra]

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[Domina Nostra]

didn't know,thanks...guess everyone i have known that has gone on to play div 1 just happened to be awarded 1..lucky i guess

That is rare, these kids must have been studs, because most of the time the coach woul rather have the extra-prospects than invest an entire scholarship in one kid.

On the other hand, sometimes they will divide it up so the players get a full ride one year, and nothing other years.

It's strange to me that DIII schools can't give scholarships, but NAIA schools can.

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning on that.

It's all voluntary associations.

NAIA schools want to be part of the world of scholarship-athletics, but want to compete against similarly-situated schools with similar resources.

Division III schools have chosen to not enter the scholarship arm's race. They focus on academics, and sports are basically an extra-curricular. Div. III has a little more prestige, because it almost suggests your above the whole things, are putting sports in their proper place, and embrace the amateur ideal.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I think we should stop talking about Beal all together. It's such an aggravating situation. We got a 5 star DE commit that we very much needed and we're excited about. Then he crushes us by decommiting.....then he tells ND that he's interested again.......all the while there's talk of him and his sister wanting to go to the same school......then there's rumblings that he's going to Georgia......then Georgia gives his sister a scholarship.......and they're from Georgia.......this sucks......

 

[IrishLion]

NAIA schools want to be part of the world of scholarship-athletics, but want to compete against similarly-situated schools with similar resources.

Division III schools have chosen to not enter the scholarship arm's race. They focus on academics, and sports are basically an extra-curricular. Div. III has a little more prestige, because it almost suggests your above the whole things, are putting sports in their proper place, and embrace the amateur ideal.

I see. I probably should've googled before I posted my question. I was under the impression that NAIA was still an affiliate of the NCAA, just a lower division and with a separate designation for some reason.

A lot of athletes from my former high school will go the DIII route, as there are several nice DIII programs nearby that also offer incentives and first-year academic scholarships to qualifying students (high GPA and good transcript) from Catholic schools. If a coach from one of the nearby DIII schools realllllllly wants you, he will make it clear that he can essentially get you a full-ride, especially if you go to a private high school.

Other guys go the NAIA route, and I always thought it was a weird side-step from DIII.

 

[micks60]

It's strange to me that DIII schools can't give scholarships, but NAIA schools can.

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning on that.

NCAA D3 schools could not afford to give scholarships. They use the teams as a way to attract students to their college. Coaches are paid very little at these levels. More like high school coaches or less.

NAIA plays by a different set of rules on many levels and schools at this level are typically NCAA D2 sized schools but do not want to play by the NCAA rules and be part of NCAA.

 

[koonja]

HC at my D3 school I did my undergrad at made 80K FWIW.

 

[Irish#1]

NCAA D3 schools could not afford to give scholarships. They use the teams as a way to attract students to their college. Coaches are paid very little at these levels. More like high school coaches or less.

NAIA plays by a different set of rules on many levels and schools at this level are typically NCAA D2 sized schools but do not want to play by the NCAA rules and be part of NCAA.

I think they're more the size of D3 schools. A lot of them are christian based. My son played football for a year at St. Francis in Ft. Wayne. They offered him a $3,000 scholly which was similar to what other players were getting. They spread it around.

 

[dang227]

'17 GA DE/OLB Robert Beal (Offer)

'17 GA DE/OLB Robert Beal (Offer)

It's strange to me that DIII schools can't give scholarships, but NAIA schools can.

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning on that.

NAIA is closer to DII then DIII. 24 full rides for football. It's a different level than DIII. Pretty simple.


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[dang227]

NAIA Eligibilty is also comparable to DII. It is actually higher for incoming freshmen. DIII eligibility is institutional based. Schools like Mount Union get anybody into school if they want them. There is also no oversight on amount of money given in financial aid. DIII is a have and have nots division.


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[dublinirish]

NAIA Eligibilty is also comparable to DII. It is actually higher for incoming freshmen. DIII eligibility is institutional based. Schools like Mount Union get anybody into school if they want them. There is also no oversight on amount of money given in financial aid. DIII is a have and have nots division.


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some D3 schools can have like 200 football players on their books while others can have as few as 50, like you said the scales are never balanced

 

[dang227]

Correct. I have recruited against DIII schools that give as much or more money out as DII schools masked under "grants"


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[IrishLion]

NAIA is closer to DII then DIII. 24 full rides for football. It's a different level than DIII. Pretty simple.

I can read the chart, and the discrepancy of level and scholarship availability seemed odd to me, which is why I asked the question.

I always thought DIII was above or at least a side-step to NAIA. I also thought all collegiate athletics were part of the NCAA, and that the NAIA was a branch of that.

 

[BobbyMac]

NCAA D3 schools could not afford to give scholarships. They use the teams as a way to attract students to their college. Coaches are paid very little at these levels. More like high school coaches or less.

NAIA plays by a different set of rules on many levels and schools at this level are typically NCAA D2 sized schools but do not want to play by the NCAA rules and be part of NCAA.

That's not correct. There are 90 universities with endowments of $1B. roughly 1/3 or them are DIII and that does not include the 8 Ivy's who operate as DIII's with FCS / low mid major scheduling.

One conference in particular the UAA has @ $30B among it's 8 schools. The SEC has @ $25B combined in 14 members with A&M ($10B) and Vandy ($4B) making up the majority of the total.

Little DIII's by you in Ohio like Denison and Oberlin have as much cash on hand as half the SEC schools. Case Western would be mid pack even in the B1G.

They can afford it, they choose not to.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Officially a bulldog per loy on Twitter

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Rivals100 DE Robert Beal has committed to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UGA?src=hash">#UGA</a>. <a href="https://t.co/PPTMblW6RN">pic.twitter.com/PPTMblW6RN</a></p>— Trent Smallwood (@SmallwoodTrent) <a href="https://twitter.com/SmallwoodTrent/status/750317488546705408">July 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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another shitty bleacher report commitment vid

The Commitment: 5-Star Robert Beal Makes Choice After Intense Warehouse Workout | Bleacher Report

 

[Irish Man3]

Hard to compete with the shit going on in the recruiting world.

 

[dublinirish]

Hard to compete with the shit going on in the recruiting world.

UGA got the best DC in the game as a Head coach (arguably), ND has a DC who sucks and hates recruiting. No contest

 

[Meatloaf]

Loy'd

 

[johnnycando]

Loy'd

That's an often occurrence these days.

 

[Ironman8]

Seems about right.

 

[IrishLion]

Loy'd

That's an often occurrence these days.

Gotta get them clicks with that hotness, bruhs!

What's funny is that Loy generates interest with the pro-ND "scoop," but would turn around and try to claim that he knew Beal was actually a Bulldog months ago.

Guy's a doucher.

 

[Luckylucci]

UGA got the best DC in the game as a Head coach (arguably), ND has a DC who sucks and hates recruiting. No contest

Or they gave his sister a track scholarship. After they leaked the info that it was no longer a package deal. Clearly the family had a plan and got what they wanted. Wish him luck, but can't expect ND to win these types of recruitments, regardless of who the DC is.

 

[Irish#1]

Loy'd

That's an often occurrence these days.

Koon, oh Koon?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

lol

 

[IrishLion]

To Loy's credit, he probably got "info" back in May that Beal was re-considering ND, and that the sister thing was no longer an issue...

That info got out, which lead to UGA upping the game and offering his sister a scholly as a "come on back!" ploy, which worked.

It seems that maybe Loy got fed some info that the Beals wanted to put out into the world, which resulted in them getting what they wanted. The Beals know how to play the game.

SUPER PLOT TWIST THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS: Robert still has legit interest in ND, and will decommit from UGA once he's ensured that his sister's track schollie is safe and locked in.

 

[Luckylucci]

To Loy's credit, he probably got "info" back in May that Beal was re-considering ND, and that the sister thing was no longer an issue...

That info got out, which lead to UGA upping the game and offering his sister a scholly as a "come on back!" ploy, which worked.

It seems that maybe Loy got fed some info that the Beals wanted to put out into the world, which resulted in them getting what they wanted. The Beals know how to play the game.
SUPER PLOT TWIST THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS: Robert still has legit interest in ND, and will decommit from UGA once he's ensured that his sister's track schollie is safe and locked in.

I'd bet a lot of money that is precisely what happened. Like I said above, there should be no blame placed on our staff, whether we like BVG or not. Nd just isn't going to win these types of recruitments nor do I want them to.