'13 IN ATH Jaylon Smith (Notre Dame Man & Graduate)

[rtrn2glory]

Is there still a supplemental draft? Would it be plausible for him to wait a year and rehab and someone drafting him in that?

Just an idea.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Is there still a supplemental draft? Would it be plausible for him to wait a year and rehab and someone drafting him in that?

Just an idea.

The best thing for him would to rehab with a NFL team and their doctors. He will get drafted. It may be 4th round, but he'll get drafted.

 

[Irish#1]

Is there still a supplemental draft? Would it be plausible for him to wait a year and rehab and someone drafting him in that?

Just an idea.

I don't know if they still have it or not, but I don't think you can pull yourself from the draft. If a team drafts you, you belong to them for at least a year.

 

[CanadalovesND]

WalterFootball.com: NFL Draft Rumor Mill

Medical Rechecks: Good News for Fuller; Bad News for Smith
Updated April 20, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Now that teams have the results from the Combine medical recheck, we reached out to sources from teams across the league to get feedback on two prospects in particular: Notre Dame linebacker Jaylon Smith and Virginia Tech cornerback Kendall Fuller. In speaking with sources at a variety of teams, there was an across-the-board consensus of optimism for Fuller and pessimism for Smith.

Fuller missed most of his senior year with a serious knee injury, but the medical recheck said he was progressing and should be ready to play in time for the start of training camp. That was great news and better than many teams expected. Sources say that Fuller is safe to at least be a second-day pick. Some teams still have him in the second or third round in part because he hasn't been able to work out for teams leading up to the draft. Two playoff teams though said they had him as a possible late first. One general manager said that on their final board, Fuller will be in the 24-42 range. Thus, Fuller has a shot at being a Thursday night pick.

Unfortunately, the news was bad for Smith. Sources say they are worried about complications from Smith's torn ACL and MCL, and the prospect that he may need more corrective surgery. Teams love him on and off the field, but they view him as a major injury risk. Multiple teams said they had him as a sixth- or seventh-rounder. A couple of teams said they took him off their draft board after flunking him medically. Two playoff teams said their medical staff was more optimistic that he would return to play in 2017, and they had him as a potential mid-rounder. Smith would be fortunate to be selected on the second-day of the draft. If he does fall to the third day, he is such a talented player that I believe a team will take a chance on him.

 

[ACamp1900]

This is so a guy the Pats or Steelers take a flyer on, only to watch him make multiple pro bowls....

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This is so a guy the Pats or Steelers take a flyer on, only to watch him make multiple pro bowls....

I thought this with the 49ers took Lattimore. He never could come back.

 

[GoIrish41]

Is there still a supplemental draft? Would it be plausible for him to wait a year and rehab and someone drafting him in that?

Just an idea.

If he was going to do that the smart play was to stay at ND this year.

 

[Irishman77]

He can also not sign with the team that drafts him and re-enter the draft next year

 

[ACamp1900]

He can also not sign with the team that drafts him and re-enter the draft next year

It's official then, Browns will draft him...

 

[PLACforever]

F*ck Decker, I hope he goes to the Jags and had to match up against JJ Watt twice a year.

 

[IrishLax]

If he was going to do that the smart play was to stay at ND this year.

No, because he wouldn't have been able to play at ND next year, wouldve forfeited millions on his insurance policy, and there is no sure thing he recovers. His only logical move was going to the draft and collecting his insurance and hoping for a big second contract after recovery. In the meantime, he can probably finish his degree while rehabbing this year.

 

[GreyWorm]

No, because he wouldn't have been able to play at ND next year, wouldve forfeited millions on his insurance policy, and there is no sure thing he recovers. His only logical move was going to the draft and collecting his insurance and hoping for a big second contract after recovery. In the meantime, he can probably finish his degree while rehabbing this year.

Agreed. That was the only move that made sense. Getting him with NFL doctors is huge. He is on progress with his nerve healing and there hasn't been an issue with the regeneration process. It just takes time and in today's world, that's something no one wants to deal with.

NFL teams definitely don't have the time to wait on an "early" pick to heal much less risk it not re-healing all the way. However, one team is going to take that chance and most likely have a good football player to start 2017.

 

[Rocket89]

Jaylon's surgeon spoke with USA Today:

Jaylon Smith's nerve issue still clouded, but surgeon says recovery odds 'very good'

A checkup by NFL teams last weekend in Indianapolis showed Smith remains unable to raise his left foot or swing it out to the side because of an issue with his peroneal nerve. But the "foot-drop" isn't a surprise at this stage, said his surgeon, Dr. Dan Cooper, who is “optimistic that his knee itself will be stable and a good knee and he’ll get all his strength back. And I also think he has a very good chance of getting his nerve recovery back.”

That’s because the lateral damage stretched Smith’s nerve “enough to make it go to sleep, but it wasn’t stretched enough to be structurally elongated or visually very damaged” like more severe injuries, Cooper told USA TODAY Sports. There’s normally a one-month lag time before the nerve regrows at all, and once it begins, the rate is only about 1 inch per month.

“He’s had time for his nerve to regrow 2 inches, and the area of where his nerve was injured is 6 inches above the muscle that it innervates,” said Cooper, who’s also the Dallas Cowboys’ head team physician. “I wouldn’t really expect him to get much innervation back into that muscle for two or three more months. Then once it does – I’ve seen kids who are completely paralyzed like him on the lateral side and not able to pick their foot up at all (that) wind up being totally normal.”

....

Cooper agreed Smith probably will take a “redshirt” year in 2016, noting that once a nerve injury is discovered, it usually takes around nine to 15 months to fully recover. He also said he knows of high school and college football players who have played with a foot-drop, “and it’s even possible that Jaylon’s good enough to play in the NFL if he doesn’t get his nerve function back.

“Worst-case scenario, there are surgeries, there are tendon transfers you can do to hold the foot up,” Cooper said. “Best-case scenario is he gets all his strength back. And then in between would be that he gets a lot of it back or some of it back.”

 

[BeauBenken]

Jaylon's surgeon spoke with USA Today:

Jaylon Smith's nerve issue still clouded, but surgeon says recovery odds 'very good'

A checkup by NFL teams last weekend in Indianapolis showed Smith remains unable to raise his left foot or swing it out to the side because of an issue with his peroneal nerve. But the "foot-drop" isn't a surprise at this stage, said his surgeon, Dr. Dan Cooper, who is “optimistic that his knee itself will be stable and a good knee and he’ll get all his strength back. And I also think he has a very good chance of getting his nerve recovery back.”

That’s because the lateral damage stretched Smith’s nerve “enough to make it go to sleep, but it wasn’t stretched enough to be structurally elongated or visually very damaged” like more severe injuries, Cooper told USA TODAY Sports. There’s normally a one-month lag time before the nerve regrows at all, and once it begins, the rate is only about 1 inch per month.

“He’s had time for his nerve to regrow 2 inches, and the area of where his nerve was injured is 6 inches above the muscle that it innervates,” said Cooper, who’s also the Dallas Cowboys’ head team physician. “I wouldn’t really expect him to get much innervation back into that muscle for two or three more months. Then once it does – I’ve seen kids who are completely paralyzed like him on the lateral side and not able to pick their foot up at all (that) wind up being totally normal.”

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Cooper agreed Smith probably will take a “redshirt” year in 2016, noting that once a nerve injury is discovered, it usually takes around nine to 15 months to fully recover. He also said he knows of high school and college football players who have played with a foot-drop, “and it’s even possible that Jaylon’s good enough to play in the NFL if he doesn’t get his nerve function back.

“Worst-case scenario, there are surgeries, there are tendon transfers you can do to hold the foot up,” Cooper said. “Best-case scenario is he gets all his strength back. And then in between would be that he gets a lot of it back or some of it back.”

This honestly sounds pretty promising and makes any team who wouldn't pick him up in the mid rounds sound really dumb. Great post, Rocket. Thanks.

 

[AvesEvo]

Jaylon's surgeon spoke with USA Today:

Jaylon Smith's nerve issue still clouded, but surgeon says recovery odds 'very good'

A checkup by NFL teams last weekend in Indianapolis showed Smith remains unable to raise his left foot or swing it out to the side because of an issue with his peroneal nerve. But the "foot-drop" isn't a surprise at this stage, said his surgeon, Dr. Dan Cooper, who is “optimistic that his knee itself will be stable and a good knee and he’ll get all his strength back. And I also think he has a very good chance of getting his nerve recovery back.”

That’s because the lateral damage stretched Smith’s nerve “enough to make it go to sleep, but it wasn’t stretched enough to be structurally elongated or visually very damaged” like more severe injuries, Cooper told USA TODAY Sports. There’s normally a one-month lag time before the nerve regrows at all, and once it begins, the rate is only about 1 inch per month.

“He’s had time for his nerve to regrow 2 inches, and the area of where his nerve was injured is 6 inches above the muscle that it innervates,” said Cooper, who’s also the Dallas Cowboys’ head team physician. “I wouldn’t really expect him to get much innervation back into that muscle for two or three more months. Then once it does – I’ve seen kids who are completely paralyzed like him on the lateral side and not able to pick their foot up at all (that) wind up being totally normal.”

....

Cooper agreed Smith probably will take a “redshirt” year in 2016, noting that once a nerve injury is discovered, it usually takes around nine to 15 months to fully recover. He also said he knows of high school and college football players who have played with a foot-drop, “and it’s even possible that Jaylon’s good enough to play in the NFL if he doesn’t get his nerve function back.

“Worst-case scenario, there are surgeries, there are tendon transfers you can do to hold the foot up,” Cooper said. “Best-case scenario is he gets all his strength back. And then in between would be that he gets a lot of it back or some of it back.”

Since this is coming from the Cowboys surgeon, I wonder if they would pick him up.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No, because he wouldn't have been able to play at ND next year, wouldve forfeited millions on his insurance policy, and there is no sure thing he recovers. His only logical move was going to the draft and collecting his insurance and hoping for a big second contract after recovery. In the meantime, he can probably finish his degree while rehabbing this year.

Actually, wasn't his policy term for two years?

This honestly sounds pretty promising and makes any team who wouldn't pick him up in the mid rounds sound really dumb. Great post, Rocket. Thanks.

What he said, man!

Since this is coming from the Cowboys surgeon, I wonder if they would pick him up.

Truly, one of those things that makes you go, 'hmmmm!'

 

[irishfan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even with the catastrophic knee injury, Notre Dame LB Jaylon Smith is expected to gone by end of round 3, maybe earlier, per league sources.</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/725312215805370368">April 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One NFL head coach even predicted this morning that Notre Dame LB Jaylon Smith could go "at the end of (round) 1, maybe round 2."</p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/725313030536318976">April 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Kingbish01]

Bill Polian said yesterday on Mike and Mike that before the injury he was #1 player in the draft with everyone being a distant 2nd...With the exception of Zeke Elliot. I'm starting to think he doesn't make it to the 3rd round. SOMEONE will take a shot on this kid, how could you not.

 

[TheChosen1]

When it comes to the NFL draft. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

If the Bears picked him in the second, I wouldn't be mad.

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[ab2cmiller]

If Jaylon is not drafted in the first round, the ideal scenario for Jaylon is to be drafted with the 11th pick in the 3rd round (this is the pick where he would reach the full 5 million from insurance).

He would get 5 million tax free from his insurance policy plus roughly $750,000 of guaranteed money from his rookie contract. If he's able to then fully recover, he would get the benefit of a shorter rookie contract and cash in big after 3 years.

 

[koonja]

If Jaylon is not drafted in the first round, the ideal scenario for Jaylon is to be drafted with the 11th pick in the 3rd round (this is the pick where he would reach the full 5 million from insurance).

He would get 5 million tax free from his insurance policy plus roughly $750,000 of guaranteed money from his rookie contract. If he's able to then fully recover, he would get the benefit of a shorter rookie contract and cash in big after 3 years.

Can someone re-post the rules regarding his insurance payout? Thanks in advance.

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaylon Smith's insurance will pay him $700K tax free if he falls out of 1st round, gets $100K w/each missed pick after. Policy from ISI.</p>— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/703637702416138240">February 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[koonja]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaylon Smith's insurance will pay him $700K tax free if he falls out of 1st round, gets $100K w/each missed pick after. Policy from ISI.</p>— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/703637702416138240">February 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Oh dang, I thought it was more top heavy for just falling out of 2nd round. Hopefully he goes late 2nd or 3rd then like you said.

 

[ab2cmiller]

By the time you factor in the effect of taxes, 5 million dollars tax free is still probably better than getting drafted in the second half of round 1. On top of that you reach free agency a year quicker.

Once we get past pick #16, I will be hoping he falls to round 3.

 

[dublinirish]

Hatchjet job alert:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe">@greggabe</a> He's one of the smartest players I've ever interacted with.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/725321255147155456">April 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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lol F'n Joe Schmidt keeps on causing pain

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Hatchjet job alert:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe">@greggabe</a> He's one of the smartest players I've ever interacted with.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/725321255147155456">April 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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lol F'n Joe Schmidt keeps on causing pain

lmao jesus...

 

[dublinirish]

lmao jesus...

can you imagine when Nyles Morgan's draft report comes out.

CONS: Couldn't beat out Joe Schmidt..

 

[rtrn2glory]

Oh dang, I thought it was more top heavy for just falling out of 2nd round. Hopefully he goes late 2nd or 3rd then like you said.

idk

he might want to just go un-drafted, cash in and take his pick of where to go.

seems like the best case scenario financially.

let's just say he doesn't get drafted.

he'd make roughly 22 million according to my math and if I read that policy right.

someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Kingbish01]

idk

he might want to just go un-drafted, cash in and take his pick of where to go.

seems like the best case scenario financially.

let's just say he doesn't get drafted.

he'd make roughly 22 million according to my math and if I read that policy right.

someone correct me if I'm wrong.

i thought it was maxed out at 5 Mill