2016 Presidential Horse Race

[kmoose]

"Sending a wake up call" by electing a tyrant seems like a pretty short sighted decision.

I agree. But I do like that he is polling well enough to have a shot. I think that will encourage more suitable outsider guys to consider running.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I know one true believer when it comes to Trump and a handful of others who are curious/into it but don't really pay attention. My lone believer is just very anti gov in it's current form and is desperate for anything they perceive as such to get into a position of power... it's really that simple with her. Short sighted, incorrect, whatever you want to call it... her excusing of whatever he says is really hinged on her thirst for anyone or anything to stop big gov.. and she has it in her head Trump is the only option there. At least that's the way she comes off to me.

I know of a couple Trump supporters (those willingly and openly admitting it anyways). One in particular is pro Trump because of his business acumen and believes that this country should be run like a for-profit corporation. This person is also anti-PC. The problem is that he's upper class, white, male, and Christian so to him, being PC shows weakness and "telling it like it is" is just that, regardless of how offensive it may be to others. I've found myself totally astounded at how ignorant and bigoted he can be at times since Trump's rise in politics. (This is a very close friend whom I never thought felt this way about Hispanics, African Americans, and poor people.) He's also a small business co-owner so low taxes is his #1. As a kid he always wanted to be rich. But God forbid he pay more in taxes. (I always laughed at his ignorance regarding our progressive tax system.)

The other person, is just wildly ignorant and blindly votes for the leading Republican no matter what every time.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So who here has no issues with letting the refugees in?

I would have no problems answering that question but I won't waste my time since you never respond to the Trump responses on previous pages.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I would have no problems answering that question but I won't waste my time since you never respond to the Trump responses on previous pages.

Why would anyone bother talking trump with you, all your post are seeded with some form of deep hatred at "the man". You got so worked up you posted about being an alcoholic driving drunk like it's no big deal, a post that had nothing to even do with your argument lol. You hate trump, anyone that even considers him is a racist. You've clearly stated that over last several pages, I figured I change topic up

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Interesting video:

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[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Interesting video:

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Lol halfway thru the what was coming off as a not so much pro trump, just non anti trump vid. I said to myself, self this feels like a Bernie Sanders video. 20 seconds later vote Sanders video it is lol. Then let's all hug n sing songs part followed by oh btw trump is evil.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Why would anyone bother talking trump with you, all your post are seeded with some form of deep hatred at "the man". You got so worked up you posted about being an alcoholic driving drunk like it's no big deal, a post that had nothing to even do with your argument lol. You hate trump, anyone that even considers him is a racist. You've clearly stated that over last several pages, I figured I change topic up

Do better at reading. Please point to the post where I called anyone who supports him a racist (don't worry, you can't). Then read my post where I talked about how I used to drink and drive when I was in college, where you will CLEARLY see that I said it was "unbelievably stupid", not that it was no big deal. And it had everything to do with the topic - the problem is that was just waaaaaay over your head.

And I don't mind "the man" at all - I just hate Trump and I hate racists. Nothing to do with "the man". Again, you're failing miserably at this whole reading comprehension thing.

Your responses about Trump (or lackthereof) in this thread have been typical Trump supporter responses. If you don’t have anything to say in response to Trump’s ridiculous rhetoric and “policy” talk (LOL), just attack the person and/or minorities, or change the subject, hoping that they will forget those pesky policy issues. At least you didn’t scream, “Yeah, well, ummm, Trump 2016!!!!” like the rest of those bozos.

 

[Irish#1]

We are supposed to analyze the candidates, that's the entire point of an election process.

"Sending a wake up call" by electing a tyrant seems like a pretty short sighted decision.

Don't disagree one bit, but you're looking at it from your perspective. There are a lot of people Dems and Reps that don't care to analyze or dig past the first few words out of a candidates mouth.

If only it were that simple. Ever talked to a Trump supporter? I’m not talking about a guy kinda into Trump, I’m talking about someone REALLY all about Trump. They are NOT just trying to send politicians a message – they believe in almost everything he says (especially the racist/hate rhetoric) and expect him to institute his policies. This is not just a (IMO much-needed) wake-up call to the Republican party – I would say in speaking to many of them and watching his rallies, a large majority of his supporters not only want him to do all he claims he will do (impossible, but whatever), but they expect him to do it.

Wait until the general election – this will be a mini race war. I called it a long time before Chicago happened, and it will only escalate. Latinos friggin’ HATE Trump with a white-hot passion (as do many African Americans), and him acting presidential for a couple of months won’t undo what he has already done.

I believe it really is that simple. Unfortunately many of these people don't realize that even if he gets elected, he'll never get these crazy solutions passed. If he some how does gets elected, the question is, "Did both parties learn a lesson?"

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I doubt it'd ever happen, but I really only see Trump winning if he convinced Rubio to VP. He probably needs it to happen now to assure 1237. Be easy to brush off the lil Marco stuff as just part of the game. The immigration subject is probably to big of a political difference to make pairing tho. I don't see another way for Rubio to be prez 1 day, unless he's VP for next 8 years. Course he could hop on Cruz train, but I feel that would have happened already

 

[Legacy]

Immigration reform looks dead
Republican leaders show little interest in returning to the issue after the Homeland Security fiasco. (3/9/15)

When the GOP-controlled Senate bent to Democratic demands to fund the Department of Homeland Security, effectively undercutting conservatives who were willing to allow the agency to shut down until Obama backed down, there was talk of Senate GOP leaders returning to the immigration issue to find new ways to thwart Obama’s orders.

But few within the GOP expect any kind of immigration debate in the Senate in the foreseeable future. The issue has been relegated to the back burner as Republicans instead focus on the budget, trade deals and, possibly, tax reform.

In the House, committees are humming along on some immigration bills, but leadership has shown no indication when — or if — they will come to the floor.
The inaction on immigration comes as the GOP is trying to improve its standing among Latinos in the 2016 presidential election. An “autopsy” of the party’s problems after the 2012 election warned that Republicans “must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform. If we do not, our Party’s appeal will continue to shrink.”
Reform advocates were buoyed when the Senate overwhelmingly passed a sweeping bipartisan bill in June 2013. But the measure stalled in the House. And immigration, until at least after the next election, is more likely to be fodder for the campaign trail than congressional action.

 

[irishfan]

Poll: Voters Split Between Clinton and Trump in Hypothetical November Matchup - NBC News

These numbers make it seem like a 3rd party candidate would have an actual chance. That's a large number of people planning on 3rd party or no vote if it's Clinton/Trump or Clinton/Cruz.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Do better at reading. Please point to the post where I called anyone who supports him a racist (don't worry, you can't). Then read my post where I talked about how I used to drink and drive when I was in college, where you will CLEARLY see that I said it was "unbelievably stupid", not that it was no big deal. And it had everything to do with the topic - the problem is that was just waaaaaay over your head.

And I don't mind "the man" at all - I just hate Trump and I hate racists. Nothing to do with "the man". Again, you're failing miserably at this whole reading comprehension thing.

Your responses about Trump (or lackthereof) in this thread have been typical Trump supporter responses. If you don’t have anything to say in response to Trump’s ridiculous rhetoric and “policy” talk (LOL), just attack the person and/or minorities, or change the subject, hoping that they will forget those pesky policy issues. At least you didn’t scream, “Yeah, well, ummm, Trump 2016!!!!” like the rest of those bozos.

lol you put the other guy in the makeamericawhite again campaign, 1st ive even see that phrase. ndacount fella or something, your lies aren't even worth scrolling back for the name of the guy( my apologies to that gentleman for my lack of effort). You said you drove drunk in your 20s and early 30s, I mean I guess you could have started college late and stayed for 10 years, no judgement from me I neva went bro. you are a joke bro, one of the biggest hypocrites in the history of the internet-dating back to your power hungry mod days.

 

[woolybug25]

lol you put the other guy in the makeamericawhite again campaign, 1st ive even see that phrase. ndacount fella or something, your lies aren't even worth scrolling back for the name of the guy( my apologies to that gentleman for my lack of effort). You said you drove drunk in your 20s and early 30s, I mean I guess you could have started college late and stayed for 10 years, no judgement from me I neva went bro. you are a joke bro, one of the biggest hypocrites in the history of the internet-dating back to your power hungry mod days.

Really? LA didn't make that up, it's literally one of the most common hashtags with Trump.

Calling people names, not adding any actual insight and trolling for fights (was your last post regarding muslim immigrants supposed to be an olive branch for polite debate? Give me a break) is pretty innapropriate. Not sure what kind of outcome you expect to come from your low level discourse.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Really? LA didn't make that up, it's literally one of the most common hashtags with Trump.

Calling people names, not adding any actual insight and trolling for fights (was your last post regarding muslim immigrants supposed to be an olive branch for polite debate? Give me a break) is pretty innapropriate. Not sure what kind of outcome you expect to come from your low level discourse.

it was a simple ?, who here thinks its a good idea. Seeing stories from other places, ima go with no. Certainly not any with no information on who they are, where they been. You guys try and complicate shit to much lol

Oh and no ive neva seen the that racist hastag before, I would've assume I would have came across it on reddit atleast once. I should say I don't twitter or follow it in anyway so that could be why. That also has nothing to do with him stating he never called anyone on here racist which is exactly what he did not many pages ago.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Lol halfway thru the what was coming off as a not so much pro trump, just non anti trump vid. I said to myself, self this feels like a Bernie Sanders video. 20 seconds later vote Sanders video it is lol. Then let's all hug n sing songs part followed by oh btw trump is evil.

Care to elaborate on Trump's policies and how they will fix the issues mentioned in the video? Or will you just focus on Trump's rhetoric and fear mongering and his dealing with non-issues?

 

[woolybug25]

it was a simple ?, who here thinks its a good idea. Seeing stories from other places, ima go with no. Certainly not any with no information on who they are, where they been. You guys try and complicate shit to much lol

Oh and no ive neva seen the that racist hastag before, I would've assume I would have came across it on reddit atleast once. I should say I don't twitter or follow it in anyway so that could be why.

I think you may have to pull your head from the sand first, no?

Link for #makeamericawhiteagain

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Sounds like even in an open convention, Ryan still won't make an attempt for POTUS. Could just be smoke and mirrors or "coach speak," but he's been pretty adamant lately.

In an interview with Milwaukee's WISN radio earlier on Tuesday, Ryan said: "I am going to try again today to put this bed. The answer is 'No' and my strong opinion is, if it goes to an open convention ... my answer is the delegates should pick among the people who actually ran for president this year ...

"I made a really clear choice not to run for president. Therefore, I will not be nominated. I will not allow my name to be placed in nomination and it will not be me. ...I just want to be really crystal clear," he said.

Republican Paul Ryan to rule out 2016 presidential candidacy

 

[woolybug25]

Sounds like even in an open convention, Ryan still won't make an attempt for POTUS. Could just be smoke and mirrors or "coach speak," but he's been pretty adamant lately.



Republican Paul Ryan to rule out 2016 presidential candidacy

I don't think he's blowing smoke. I would be worried trying to come in and steal this nomination at the convention. You still only have a slim chance at beating Hilldog and then you are forever immortalized as someone that participated in this god forsaken primary season. Political suicide, frankly.

 

[NDinL.A.]

lol you put the other guy in the makeamericawhite again campaign, 1st ive even see that phrase. ndacount fella or something, your lies aren't even worth scrolling back for the name of the guy( my apologies to that gentleman for my lack of effort). You said you drove drunk in your 20s and early 30s, I mean I guess you could have started college late and stayed for 10 years, no judgement from me I neva went bro. you are a joke bro, one of the biggest hypocrites in the history of the internet-dating back to your power hungry mod days.

Hahahahaha…you’re the racist. Not many things lower in life. And I’m not judging you on whether you went to college or not. Just take a reading comprehension course online or something so you can keep up.

And here, it really isn’t that hard to find. Here’s a quick sample (you’ll fit right in, don’t worry.)

https://twitter.com/hashtag/makeamericawhiteagain

 

[wizards8507]

I don't think he's blowing smoke. I would be worried trying to come in and steal this nomination at the convention. You still only have a slim chance at beating Hilldog and then you are forever immortalized as someone that participated in this god forsaken primary season. Political suicide, frankly.

It wouldn't be "stealing" the nomination. The rules are very clear. If neither Trump nor Cruz have the majority of the delegates, then neither has a claim to the nomination and the convention will decide the nominee.

The Kansas City Royals were 95-67 last year. The St. Louis Cardinals were 100-62. Does that mean the St. Louis Cardinals should have been declared 2015 world champions? Of course not, because that's not how the rules work. Failure to win by the rules is not having anything stolen from you, it's failure to win by the rules, period.

Separately, Paul Ryan would slaughter Hillary Clinton.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

It wouldn't be "stealing" the nomination. The rules are very clear. If neither Trump nor Cruz have the majority of the delegates, then neither has a claim to the nomination and the convention will decide the nominee.

The Kansas City Royals were 95-67 last year. The St. Louis Cardinals were 100-62. Does that mean the St. Louis Cardinals should have been declared 2015 world champions? Of course not, because that's not how the rules work. Failure to win by the rules is not having anything stolen from you, it's failure to win by the rules, period.

Separately, Paul Ryan would slaughter Hillary Clinton.

I think he means that since he didn't actively run for POTUS, he shouldn't be put in the hat at the convention (Ryan's words basically). Technically, he'd be allowed to, but he'd be "stealing" the opportunity from someone who actually did run.

And I'd like to see your evidence for Ryan "slaughtering" HRC because...

2016 General Election: Ryan vs. Clinton - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Ryan vs. Clinton

GOP’s Ryan Loses to Clinton, Sanders - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[woolybug25]

It wouldn't be "stealing" the nomination. The rules are very clear. If neither Trump nor Cruz have the majority of the delegates, then neither has a claim to the nomination and the convention will decide the nominee.

The Kansas City Royals were 95-67 last year. The St. Louis Cardinals were 100-62. Does that mean the St. Louis Cardinals should have been declared 2015 world champions? Of course not, because that's not how the rules work. Failure to win by the rules is not having anything stolen from you, it's failure to win by the rules, period.

Separately, Paul Ryan would slaughter Hillary Clinton.

I didn't mean it literally. I just meant not winning it in the conventional fashion. I agree that if someone wins at the convention, they aren't "stealing" it.

That being said... Ryan gets clobbered by Hilldog and then it would ruin his ascending political career. He could win the Presidency one day, so why risk never getting a shot in this shitshow of a cycle?

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that Hillary Clinton tops Ryan 40% to 34% among Likely U.S. Voters, but a sizable 22% prefer some other candidate given that matchup.

GOP’s Ryan Loses to Clinton, Sanders - Rasmussen Reports™

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Care to elaborate on Trump's policies and how they will fix the issues mentioned in the video? Or will you just focus on Trump's rhetoric and fear mongering and his dealing with non-issues?

can you share with me the policies that will fix the issues mentioned in the video? Or any issue mentioned anywhere. Cuz for every 1 person that says hey Bernies plan will work, oh hey Trumps plan, oh hey Cruz has the golden ticket there's 2 that say you are crazy, same for each congressional/presidential candidate in history.

Is there such a thing as a policy that would end racism? ev1 would have to be 1 color no? End terrorism? Ev1 volunteer to throw out their version of a mythical creature that says kill the other guy. Is their truly a policy to end poverty? Hell money is just numbers on a PC now, so why not just give ev1 lots of zeroes and regulate cost of consumables.

Policy on gun violence? Remove all guns, if you have 1=death penalty. Well that'll never happen so what else CANT we truly solve with hugs and kisses. Drugs, murder so on.

If there was an obvious fucking solution surely some smarty pants would've had it by now in the history of the world no? All anyone can do is be like yo I feel what that guy is saying, I'm boarding the train and hoping for the best. Or just fight hatred with more hatred like ndinla and a lot of paid for protestors

 

[woolybug25]

can you share with me the policies that will fix the issues mentioned in the video? Or any issue mentioned anywhere. Cuz for every 1 person that says hey Bernies plan will work, oh hey Trumps plan, oh hey Cruz has the golden ticket there's 2 that say you are crazy, same for each congressional/presidential candidate in history.

Is there such a thing as a policy that would end racism? ev1 would have to be 1 color no? End terrorism? Ev1 volunteer to throw out their version of a mythical creature that says kill the other guy. Is their truly a policy to end poverty? Hell money is just numbers on a PC now, so why not just give ev1 lots of zeroes and regulate cost of consumables.

Policy on gun violence? Remove all guns, if you have 1=death penalty. Well that'll never happen so what else CANT we truly solve with hugs and kisses. Drugs, murder so on.

If there was an obvious fucking solution surely some smarty pants would've had it by now in the history of the world no? All anyone can do is be like yo I feel what that guy is saying, I'm boarding the train and hoping for the best. Or just fight hatred with more hatred like ndinla and a lot of paid for protestors

So you're not going to discuss any of his policies? lol

 

[BleedBlueGold]

can you share with me the policies that will fix the issues mentioned in the video? Or any issue mentioned anywhere. Cuz for every 1 person that says hey Bernies plan will work, oh hey Trumps plan, oh hey Cruz has the golden ticket there's 2 that say you are crazy, same for each congressional/presidential candidate in history.

Is there such a thing as a policy that would end racism? ev1 would have to be 1 color no? End terrorism? Ev1 volunteer to throw out their version of a mythical creature that says kill the other guy. Is their truly a policy to end poverty? Hell money is just numbers on a PC now, so why not just give ev1 lots of zeroes and regulate cost of consumables.

Policy on gun violence? Remove all guns, if you have 1=death penalty. Well that'll never happen so what else CANT we truly solve with hugs and kisses. Drugs, murder so on.

If there was an obvious fucking solution surely some smarty pants would've had it by now in the history of the world no? All anyone can do is be like yo I feel what that guy is saying, I'm boarding the train and hoping for the best. Or just fight hatred with more hatred like ndinla and a lot of paid for protestors

Typical Drumpf supporter: Ask about specific policy and they deflect.

I'm moving on.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hahahahaha…you’re the racist. Not many things lower in life. And I’m not judging you on whether you went to college or not. Just take a reading comprehension course online or something so you can keep up.

And here, it really isn’t that hard to find. Here’s a quick sample (you’ll fit right in, don’t worry.)

https://twitter.com/hashtag/makeamericawhiteagain

I apologize for you being a liar sir. I think that's how the victim game goes right. I apologize for factually posting what you said that you deny. lol go take a swig champ, just hide the keys first. thx

 

[GATTACA!]

How are these our best options?

55% of the country is over 35 years old. If you remove everyone that isn't a natural born US citizen that means there are about 150,000,000 eligible people that could run for president. How are these our best 5 options??

 

[wizards8507]

I think he means that since he didn't actively run for POTUS, he shouldn't be put in the hat at the convention (Ryan's words basically). Technically, he'd be allowed to, but he'd be "stealing" the opportunity from someone who actually did run.

Sucks? Contrary to the media spin and popular opinion, the nomination process is not part of our Constitutional republic. It's a Party process and therefore controlled by the party and not whatever arbitrary rules of "fair play" or "democracy" people think it's supposed to feature. If Trump doesn't like how the Republicans nominate their presidential candidate, he's more than welcome to start his own political party or run as an independent.

And I'd like to see your evidence for Ryan "slaughtering" HRC because...

2016 General Election: Ryan vs. Clinton - Polls - HuffPost Pollster

Those results are based on the pissed off Cruz and Trump voters who would claim to support Clinton in that matchup out of protest. The number of those people who actually wouldn't vote for Ryan (or against Clinton if you want to look at it that way) would remain to be seen.

 

[woolybug25]

Those results are based on the pissed off Cruz and Trump voters who would claim to support Clinton in that matchup out of protest. The number of those people who actually wouldn't vote for Ryan (or against Clinton if you want to look at it that way) would remain to be seen.

What about the link I had above that showed Hilldog beating him 1 on 1? That wasn't based on anything but Ryan vs Clinton.

 

[wizards8507]

What about the link I had above that showed Hilldog beating him 1 on 1? That wasn't based on anything but Ryan vs Clinton.

That's what I'm talking about. If a pollster calls a Trump supporter and says "who would you vote for in a race between Paul Ryan and Hillary Clinton," the Trump supporter is going to be like "well that means those a-holes in the ESTABLISHMENT robbed Trump at the convention," and he answers "Clinton".