2016 Presidential Horse Race

[FightingIrishLover7]

So, for the people that think Obama hasn't improve the economy (or improved it enough), what are the major complaints?

 

[BGIF]

LA Called For Trump by CNN

LA Called For Trump by CNN

according to their website.

Wolf just called it on TV.

46 Delegates Total

Trump 46.8
Cruz 26.0
Rubio 17.9
Kasich 3.5

9% IN


Again Rubio struggling with 20% Delegate Threshold.

 

[wizards8507]

If you're not criticizing the Obama economy, I'm not sure what your point is. Hillary is basically promising to continue it.

My comment was simply about WHERE she's delivering that message. She's in Detroit, a pit of economic despair where they'll pay you to buy a house because things are so bad that nobody wants to live there. It's like giving a speech about how great the EPA is in Flint or how much Obama has improved race relations in Ferguson.

 

[wizards8507]

So, for the people that think Obama hasn't improve the economy (or improved it enough), what are the major complaints?

Hopefully someone will jump in because I don't feel like typing a ton on my phone, but the Affordable Care Act would be my primary issue directly attributable to Obama. I also hated TARP and the stimulus package, but I fully acknowledge that there are Republican fingerprints all over those.

Of bigger concern to me is the bogus free money policies of the Federal Reserve, but that's not really on Obama. The markets are supported by zero interest rates and the shit will hit the fan (again). Every bubble eventually bursts.

 

[BGIF]

Monica Crowley on Fox just pointed out that of the 18 GOP wins so far, none were won by an Establishment Candidate.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Monica Crowley on Fox just pointed out that of the 18 GOP wins so far, none were won by an Establishment Candidate.

Define "establishment." I agree, but that definition has been a moving target. Rubio is the establishment darling and he was a tea party favorite a few years ago.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Hopefully someone will jump in because I don't feel like typing a ton on my phone, but the Affordable Care Act would be my primary issue directly attributable to Obama. I also hated TARP and the stimulus package, but I fully acknowledge that there are Republican fingerprints all over those.

Of bigger concern to me is the bogus free money policies of the Federal Reserve, but that's not really on Obama. The markets are supported by zero interest rates and the shit will hit the fan (again). Every bubble eventually bursts.

So...basically...all of the things you don't like are not on Obama. Except the ACA, which is a rather moderate plan.

 

[BGIF]

Define "establishment." I agree, but that definition has been a moving target. Rubio is the establishment darling and he was a tea party favorite a few years ago.

She didn't expound on the statement. I thought of MN and consider Rubio establishment but I guess she was talking Bush, Graham and some others of the original 17.

I would have said 17 of 18.

Rubio is only the darling because all the others have been knocked off. Last one standing. Default not choice.

 

[BGIF]

KY Trump Wins

KY Trump Wins

85% in

Trump 35.1%
Cruz 31.4
Rubio 16.9
Kasich 14.9

Everybody exceeds KY's 5% Threshold.

 

[BGIF]

Trump made a funny.

He congratulated Cruz on his wins tonight including Maine. "Of course, you have to realize, Maine is next to Canada."

 

[drayer54]

So, for the people that think Obama hasn't improve the economy (or improved it enough), what are the major complaints?

He hasn't done anything. It's not his economy. Bernanke and Yellen have done more for the economy than anyone elected. The economy under Obama has boomed from Wall Street where they have done it themselves. The oil rush sure as hell didn't come from Obama and the wage growth has been terrible. We have more people out of the workforce and our debt is still growing. So no, to hell with Barry.

 

[BGIF]

Dem Super Saturday Delegate Scorecard

Dem Super Saturday Delegate Scorecard

KS Delegates
Clinton 23 +13
Sanders 10


LA Delegates
Clinton 35 +15
Sanders 10

NE Delegates
Sanders 14 +4
Clinton 10

Totals
Clinton 68 +24
Sanders 34

 

[BGIF]

GOP Super Saturday Delegate Scorecard

GOP Super Saturday Delegate Scorecard

TOTALS
Cruz 61 +9
Trump 52
Rubio 13
Kasich 7


KS
Cruz 24
Trump 9
Rubio 6
Kasich 1

KY
Trump 16
Cruz 14
Rubio 7
Kasich 6

LA
Trump 15
Cruz 14
Rubio 0
Kasich 0

ME
Trump 12
Cruz 9
Kasich 2
Rubio 0

2016 Presidential Primaries and Caucuses | Politics | Fox News

 

[GoIrish41]

He hasn't done anything. It's not his economy. Bernanke and Yellen have done more for the economy than anyone elected. The economy under Obama has boomed from Wall Street where they have done it themselves. The oil rush sure as hell didn't come from Obama and the wage growth has been terrible. We have more people out of the workforce and our debt is still growing. So no, to hell with Barry.

So all the bad stuff is Obama's fault, but all the good is the result of Wall Street and the energy sector. That seems like a fair argument.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

He hasn't done anything. It's not his economy. Bernanke and Yellen have done more for the economy than anyone elected. The economy under Obama has boomed from Wall Street where they have done it themselves. The oil rush sure as hell didn't come from Obama and the wage growth has been terrible. We have more people out of the workforce and our debt is still growing. So no, to hell with Barry.

Do you know why they have done more? Because the federal reserve has more direct power than any president could ever have.

People need to quit associating the economy so closely with the president. The economy doesn't care who the president is. There's only so much one man can do.

A global economic shift is going to need a hell of a lot more than a president to "fix it".

 

[Buster Bluth]

My comment was simply about WHERE she's delivering that message. She's in Detroit, a pit of economic despair where they'll pay you to buy a house because things are so bad that nobody wants to live there. It's like giving a speech about how great the EPA is in Flint or how much Obama has improved race relations in Ferguson.

Detroit is better today than the day Obama took office, that is basically irrefutable. Their downtown is gentrifying and they've attracted a ton of suburban money by placing their stadiums downtown. It's not good, in fact it's still quite bad, but Detroit has had better years under Obama than you might think.

Attempting to champion Obama's economic record in a state that was handed a life preserver with the auto bailout makes political sense.

 

[Buster Bluth]

He hasn't done anything. It's not his economy. Bernanke and Yellen have done more for the economy than anyone elected. The economy under Obama has boomed from Wall Street where they have done it themselves. The oil rush sure as hell didn't come from Obama and the wage growth has been terrible. We have more people out of the workforce and our debt is still growing. So no, to hell with Barry.

In one paragraph you've touched on all that is wrong about political conversations on the economy.

Good things happen under a guy I don't like? He doesn't get credit.

Bad things happen under a guy I don't like? To hell with him.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Do you know why they have done more? Because the federal reserve has more direct power than any president could ever have.

People need to quit associating the economy so closely with the president. The economy doesn't care who the president is. There's only so much one man can do.

A global economic shift is going to need a hell of a lot more than a president to "fix it".

On that note guys from the Fed have said repeatedly that the economic clusterfuck under Carter was a monetary issue he couldn't fix anyway...does that context ever get brought up by conservatives? Noooope.

And you're right. I am legitimately curious and would love to know the answer to a simple "economy and the President" question: who is the last President to not have the economy reach a record size while they're in office?

Obama? Yep.
Bush? Yep.
Clinton? Yep.
Bush? Yep.
Reagan? Yep.
Carter? Yep.
Ford? Yep.
Nixon? Yep.
Johnson? Yep.
Kennedy? Yep.
Eisenhower? Yep.
Truman? Yep.
Roosevelt? Yep.

So all of the Presidents since the crash at least, how far would we have to go back to find a President who actually saw the economy shrink and not recover under their administration?

Am I being too simplistic or is it a rather safe bet to say that the greatest economy in the history of the world going to continue being that regardless of who is President?

 

[JughedJones]

On that note guys from the Fed have said repeatedly that the economic clusterfuck under Carter was a monetary issue he couldn't fix anyway...does that context ever get brought up by conservatives? Noooope.

And you're right. I am legitimately curious and would love to know the answer to a simple "economy and the President" question: who is the last President to not have the economy reach a record size while they're in office?

Obama? Yep.
Bush? Yep.
Clinton? Yep.
Bush? Yep.
Reagan? Yep.
Carter? Yep.
Ford? Yep.
Nixon? Yep.
Johnson? Yep.
Kennedy? Yep.
Eisenhower? Yep.
Truman? Yep.
Roosevelt? Yep.

So all of the Presidents since the crash at least, how far would we have to go back to find a President who actually saw the economy shrink and not recover under their administration?

Am I being too simplistic or is it a rather safe bet to say that the greatest economy in the history of the world going to continue being that regardless of who is President?

I think you are being too simplistic.

That was incredibly well thought out, and I agree with almost everything until your conclusion. We're burying the lead. Everyone who screams 'revolution!!' is just asking for another form of tyranny. Capitalism - at its core - is the problem. Unless we can figure out a way of self-governance that doesn't involve greed, we're fucked.

We're playing a zero sum game. Unless we react to that, I think we're going around and round.

 

[JughedJones]

Let's all swear an oath of allegiance to the front runner.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Monica Crowley on Fox just pointed out that of the 18 GOP wins so far, none were won by an Establishment Candidate.

If Rubio is considered establishment, then damn that's got to be a win for the conservative movement as a whole

 

[JughedJones]

If Rubio is considered establishment, then damn that's got to be a win for the conservative movement as a whole

Exactly.

Holy shit that people are honestly freaked out that Rubio is too moderate and Hillary is too liberal.

It's batshit insane. You wouldn't know it by how I behave on this board, but I'm pretty damn moderate. I actually understand what reasonable conservatives are putting down.

Cruz, Rubio, and TRUMP are too much, man. The GOP is weird.

You can say what you want about Bernie, but at least he's consistent. Most people, when asked in a reasonable way, dig socialism and inclusiveness. Until the American right can make a cogent argument that tries to dial the weirdness of the left back without excluding it, they're going to look like wingnuts.

 

[Legacy]

Ted Cruz would radically reform taxes but also explode the debt

 

[yankeehater]

I found this interesting...actually pretty amazing. Not sure who Catholics are favoring in this race. I know some of the Catholic groups I receive info seem to be pushing Cruz.

Want to Know Who Will Win the Presidency? Ask the Pope | Acumen | OZY

 

[Anchorman]

I found this interesting...actually pretty amazing. Not sure who Catholics are favoring in this race. I know some of the Catholic groups I receive info seem to be pushing Cruz.

Want to Know Who Will Win the Presidency? Ask the Pope | Acumen | OZY

If 21st century elections thus far are to be a guide, Catholics will be favoring Clinton.

 

[drayer54]

Just listened to Hillary defend the idea of suing gunmakers and the only thing that kept my blood pressure under control. Go Bernie.

 

[Buster Bluth]

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I would vote for Trump over Cruz and I wouldn't even pause to think it over in the booth.

 

[drayer54]

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I would vote for Trump over Cruz and I wouldn't even pause to think it over in the booth.

I loathe Trump and feel the same way. I think Cruz is somehow more arrogant.

 

[BGIF]

Michigan GOP Polls

Michigan GOP Polls

3/6/16
NBC/WSJ/Marist Trump 41, Cruz 22, Kasich 13, Rubio 17 Trump +19

CBS News/YouGov Trump 39, Cruz 24, Kasich 15, Rubio 16 Trump +15


3/5/16
Primary ARG Trump 31, Cruz 15, Kasich 33, Rubio 11 Kasich +2

Polls from RealClearPolitics


3/8/16 Michigan Primary (59/56) — Proportional with 15% threshold

 

[phgreek]

Let's all swear an oath of allegiance to the front runner.

...or lets commit so many super delegates to the Front-runner before the process starts, that the process largely doesn't matter.

More worried about the absolute manipulation of the process from the Hillary mafia than I am a political happenstance born out of the process actually working the way it should, and yielding an unsavory result.