Is ND accusing Illinois of cheating? / Chi. Trib Article

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An ill wind blows

Illinois' highly rated class leads to whispers
Published February 8, 2007


'Nasty" was the word of the day.

And not "nasty" as in the way Charlie Weis promised his Irish would play when Notre Dame hired him.

This was a day in which whispered accusations gave way to outright hostility, a day on which two prominent recruits dissed Notre Dame, and Illinois was left defending its recruiting practices after signing a top-15 class.

The tone was set early by a New York Times story headlined: "Illinois Has Rivals Fuming About Its Recruiting Coup."

Fired Michigan State coach John L. Smith questioned how a school whose team went 4-19 over the last two seasons could attract such a top-notch class, telling the newspaper: "If they had a winning program and all of that, it would be a different deal. If they had the greatest facilities in the world, then maybe they could sell them. But what are they selling?

"Where there's smoke, there's probably fire," added Smith, whose Spartans were the Illini's only Big Ten victim this season.

Northwestern even entered the fray, with Wildcats receivers coach Kevin Johns telling the New York Times: "We're recruiting two different types of character, two different types of kids. They can get in almost any kid that they want. We have to go through academic admissions."

Illinois coach Ron Zook downplayed the controversy, saying during an interview on ESPNU: "Today is a day for our players. I know this: If that's all [the Times] can find after all the time they spent, that just makes you feel that much better about the program."

In December Zook told the Tribune: "There are no skeletons in our closet."

During a Wednesday conference call Zook said accusations of "impropriety … the notion that not all was up to snuff [are off base.]

"For people to say those things. … One, we're not going to have people like that in our program. Two, if you get to know our people, you'll realize they are not that way," Zook said. "For the most part we know where [the accusations] are coming from. It's a shame for people to throw things out there and try to take away from a great university and program."

Illinois officials wouldn't acknowledge it, but there's little doubt they suspect Notre Dame is behind the accusations.

The two teams battled over the last few months for three prominent recruits: Washington, D.C., receiver Arrelious Benn; Simeon defensive end/receiver Martez Wilson and Hubbard running back Robert Hughes.

Benn and Wilson signed with Illinois; Hughes is bound for South Bend.

Notre Dame contends Benn gave one of its coaches an oral commitment months ago that wasn't publicized. Those are considered "silent" commitments.

Last week Justin Trattou, a defensive end from Ramsey, N.J., who had committed to Notre Dame in May, switched to Florida. A key factor in his decision was Greg Mattison, Florida's co-defensive coordinator and former Irish defensive coordinator.

The Irish lost two more players Wednesday: Greg Little, a receiver from North Carolina who committed to the Irish in November, announced he would play for the Tar Heels.

Nothing, though, can top the tale of Chris Little, a 6-foot-5-inch, 342-pound lineman from Georgia who's not related to Greg.

Little committed to Florida State on live TV during the Jan. 6 Army All-America Bowl. Then he switched to Notre Dame, explaining that he was confused about his mother's preference. On Wednesday he declared he would attend Georgia.

"All's fair in love and recruiting," CSTV analyst Tom Lemming said, "but I've never seen anything like this. Some kids are more of a pain than they're worth. The self-entitlement of some players now is completely out of control.

"Committing early now just means that one school is the leader. It's a bull's-eye and tells the other coaches which school they should bad-mouth."

For his part, Weis said the word "commitment" needs to be redefined in recruiting.

"If you're married," he said, "you shouldn't be looking at other women."

Weis said he would push for the creation of an early-signing period, so players who commit early would not be hounded by rival coaches. Weis would like that period to culminate with an Aug. 1 early signing date.

Even if the American Football Coaches Association cannot gain approval on that from the NCAA, Weis said he would change the way he solicits commitments in the future.

"No soft verbals, no silent verbals, no quiet verbals, OK?" he said. "Either you're committed or you're not committed. … I think we have to define exactly what the rules are."

But Notre Dame took a shot from Benn in that regard. He told the Washington Post in a story published Wednesday that Irish assistant Peter Vaas, whom the school let go after the season, peppered him with text messages and phone calls after he had committed to Illinois.

Benn provided one such text message to the Post dated Dec. 17. It read: "FYI, ILL is telling Robert Hughes that they will build their offense around him. Didn't they tell you that? Coach Vaas."

Weis' reply?

"You ask me if coach Vaas sent him texts. Sure he sent him texts," he said. "You probably could go ask the kid if he committed to us beforehand too—see what he says to that one. It comes down to those silent verbals, all that other type of stuff.

"I don't think coach Vaas was trying to do anything unethical. … [Benn] should wish him well and not point a finger."

Speaking of pointing fingers, ESPNU analyst Mike Gottfried angrily defended Zook over the New York Times story. Gottfried apparently remains close to Zook, whom he hired as his defensive coordinator at Cincinnati in 1981 and at Kansas in 1983.

After calling the story a "cheap shot," Gottfried held up a copy and said, "This is not true. The Bill O'Reilly [program] on Fox [News], he has been after the New York Times all year about getting on President Bush … inaccurate facts and all that. This is inaccurate also.

"What has happened is there's a Midwest university that's out there that has lost some players to Illinois. They're crying, they're complaining: 'There must be cheating going on because why wouldn't the players come to our school and why are they going to Illinois?'

"I wouldn't wrap dead fish in this paper, the New York Times. I don't care about it, and it's wrong."

It was that kind of day.

tgreenstein@tribune.com
 
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I don't mean to be critical, but would you mind posting the article (or top 100 list) you're referring to, or at least a direct link to it, instead of just linking to discussion on another board?
 
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funny how ND is getting all the blame for badmouthing Illinois, last I knew, Michigan coach's, OSU's, a peep from a NW in the article and even Wiscsonsin have expressed concerns over what is going on down there with Zook and his assisstants, but yet, most of the press is getting thrown at ND.
 

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Of course John L Smith complains and ND gets blamed. Gottfried is and always will be a moron
 

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funny how ND is getting all the blame for badmouthing Illinois, last I knew, Michigan coach's, OSU's, a peep from a NW in the article and even Wiscsonsin have expressed concerns over what is going on down there with Zook and his assisstants, but yet, most of the press is getting thrown at ND.

Don't forget former MSU coaches and Chicago area high school coaches, some of which got pretty detailed in their accusations. There's rarely ever this this much smoke with out some kind of fire behind the scenes causing it.

You gotta love Tez, LOL.

Tez is on now. "It wasn't the money" LOL! Yes, that's how he phrased it, and it was the first thing Tez said/mentioned when asked why Illinois over ND by Bill King on Rivals Radio.

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Don't forget former MSU coaches and Chicago area high school coaches, some of which got pretty detailed in their accusations. There's rarely ever this this much smoke with out some kind of fire behind the scenes causing it.

You gotta love Tez, LOL.



:rofl:

I can't believe he said that! Slick move, champ.
 

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What I find wierd is that Purdue and IU are ranked #10 and #11 in Big Ten recruiting, and UI is #1. Purdue is a perenial bowl team, and I think even IU beat UI this year. He is either an amazing recruiter to get such good recruits with a sucky team, or something funny is going on. *cough* new cars *cough*
 
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What I find wierd is that Purdue and IU are ranked #10 and #11 in Big Ten recruiting, and UI is #1.

#1 in Big 10 for Illinois? Rivals has Michigan @ 12, OSU @ 15, Illinois @ 17. But point is valid. For the point to be questioned in that many corners, you gotta wonder.

Although, we all know about how the rest of college football is under ND's influence.
 
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regis today on regis and kelley was wodering how zook does it

Ha, Zookie thought he was under the microscope with the NYT on his ass. Heat has just been turned up with that crack investigative reporter Reg going 60minutes on him
 
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Is ND accusing Illinois of cheating? / Chi. Trib Article

I read an article that had several people questioning Illinois' recruiting class. I saw quotes from John L Smith but then the ND hater extraordanair Mike Gottfried said "a certain midwest school is angry that 2 guys got away from them and went to IL"

I didnt see anything out of South Bend at all - just Big 10 guys and recruiting people.

Did anybody from ND say anything or is this typical "Blame Notre Dame first" shit that goes on?

Im sure their were private conversations about IL between ND admin people but to my knowledge nobody said anything did they?
 
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I read an article that had several people questioning Illinois' recruiting class. I saw quotes from John L Smith but then the ND hater extraordanair Mike Gottfried said "a certain midwest school is angry that 2 guys got away from them and went to IL"

I didnt see anything out of South Bend at all - just Big 10 guys and recruiting people.

Did anybody from ND say anything or is this typical "Blame Notre Dame first" shit that goes on?

Im sure their were private conversations about IL between ND admin people but to my knowledge nobody said anything did they?

ND doesn't have their name on any allegations. People just assume it was us because we probably lost the most to ILL this year.
 

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I haven't read anything that says anything about nd saying anything about this. probably just people spectulating.
 

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ND doesn't have their name on any allegations. People just assume it was us because we probably lost the most to ILL this year.

And because the ILL AD said it was a midwest school that was not a Big 10 team.
 
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And because the ILL AD said it was a midwest school that was not a Big 10 team.

Right, but they need specifics. You can't just say, "This generic school, of which there is only one in the country that matches what we've said, started these rumors."

And then give no nifo to back it up.

My opinion is that it is just a way to deflect the attention off of their program, just like any political smear campaign.
 
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