The Mega Mitch Mustain Rumor Thread (Merged)

[St.Kittsnd]

I keep seeing references made to Jones and Frazer being "redshirt freshmen". If I recall correctly, Charlie is on record as saying he does not believe in redshirting anybody. I believe that Sharpley, Jones and Frazer will battle it out for the #2 position behind BQ next year and that Wolke will sacrificed.

I believe that Charlie would like one of those three QB's to see some playing time next year so that they are not raw rookies when they hit the field in 2007.

 

[jiggafini19]

Sharpley being on the baseball team could make him the next Paul Faila.

Jones will need time with Mendoza and Vaas. Frazer, even though he doesn't seem slow, appears to need work on speed and his feet.

With Weis overseeing their Jedi training, only good things can happen.

 

[irishwavend]

I keep seeing references made to Jones and Frazer being "redshirt freshmen". If I recall correctly, Charlie is on record as saying he does not believe in redshirting anybody. I believe that Sharpley, Jones and Frazer will battle it out for the #2 position behind BQ next year and that Wolke will sacrificed.
I believe that Charlie would like one of those three QB's to see some playing time next year so that they are not raw rookies when they hit the field in 2007.

I agree...but we technically redshirt whoever doesnt play at all. What I love about Wolke is that if something goes seriously array next year and he ends up having to play, I still trust our team in his hands. He isn't an allstar, but he gets it done unlike the great Pat Dillingham...Wolke kinda reminds me of lovecchio...nothing really special but has the skill to just do the Xs & Os thing.

 

[irishwavend]

Good recruiting angle but doesn't that increase the QB class imbalance instead of eliminating it? Wolke Sr, Sharpley JR, Jones and Fraser redshirt freshmen, Clausen true freshman.

If you count Jones and Fraser as RS, then you have to count Sharpley and Wolke the same way. So, you have the following:
Wolke RS Jr
Sharpley RS So
Jones RS Fr
Fraser RS Fr
Clausen/Simms Fr No-RS

 

[jiggafini19]

All of this makes me wonder about what will happen should Quinn get hurt and once he graduates what the transition will be like.

Weis, Vaas and Haywood will figure it out.

 

[IRISHMAN]

Tennessee appears to be a serious contender for the services of top quarterback Mustain of Springdale, Ark., who recently decommited from the Razorbacks. Another indication he may be planning to go out of state occurred Thursday when he skipped an awards banquet honoring the top prospects in Arkansas. Notre Dame appears to be his most likely destination, but he has a good relationship with UT offensive coordinator David Cutcliffe, and he may see Tennessee as the best chance for early playing time.

MM is not coming to ND. the only way i see him comming to ND is if he enrolls early. but i think CW is done recuriting QBs and is ready to go after jimmy clausen.

http://tennessee.scout.com/2/479752.html

 

[weisfaninmass]

I agree...but we technically redshirt whoever doesnt play at all. What I love about Wolke is that if something goes seriously array next year and he ends up having to play, I still trust our team in his hands. He isn't an allstar, but he gets it done unlike the great Pat Dillingham...Wolke kinda reminds me of lovecchio...nothing really special but has the skill to just do the Xs & Os thing.

Actually, "Technically" we don't red shirt anyone and they have to apply for a 5th year after they have completed 4 years. This is not an automatic. Hence guys like Fasano are referred to Seniors.

Help me understand how you believe that "wolke gets it done". He has only thrown 3 passes all year - 1 completed and 1 picked off. BTW, Dillingham did make the throw of throws to Arnaz Battle against MSU.

 

[jiggafini19]

Agreed on Wolke. They'd better keep Quinn healthy and focus on developing Frazer/Sharpley/Jones to step in.

Pat Dillingham is a perfect example of why Weis wants at least one QB per recruiting class.

The throw of throws could also have been the shovel pass to the BC linebacker who then streaked untouched into the end zone.

Taking about this has triggered a Maalox moment.

 

[domerfor life]

Agreed on Wolke. They'd better keep Quinn healthy and focus on developing Frazer/Sharpley/Jones to step in.
Pat Dillingham is a perfect example of why Weis wants at least one QB per recruiting class.
The throw of throws could also have been the shovel pass to the BC linebacker who then streaked untouched into the end zone.
Taking about this has triggered a Maalox moment.

Please don't mention that play. My mouth was wide open as he streaked down the field. What in the world would make you want to throw that pass? Just thinking about it makes me want to go out and recruit quarterbacks. Horrible, horrible memory.

 

[IRISHMAN]

that int. hurt ND against BC that year, but it was all the fumbles that hurt more than anything else.

 

[irishnd31]

Actually, "Technically" we don't red shirt anyone and they have to apply for a 5th year after they have completed 4 years. This is not an automatic. Hence guys like Fasano are referred to Seniors.
Help me understand how you believe that "wolke gets it done". He has only thrown 3 passes all year - 1 completed and 1 picked off. BTW, Dillingham did make the throw of throws to Arnaz Battle against MSU.

Pat Dillingham's "throw of throws"? If I remember correctly (and I was at a wedding that day and had consumed enough Captain and Coke to choke a horse) it was a 7/8 yard pass up the gut in which Battle caught it and eluded two Spartans who kicked each other's a$$ and Battle ran it in for the touchdown. Battle did all of the work from what I recall. Dillingham was horrible. I was just glad to see him not trip over his own feet when he took the snap.

 

[adam0033]

Pat Dillingham's "throw of throws"? If I remember correctly (and I was at a wedding that day and had consumed enough Captain and Coke to choke a horse) it was a 7/8 yard pass up the gut in which Battle caught it and eluded two Spartans who kicked each other's a$$ and Battle ran it in for the touchdown.

Correct, it was a slip screen that Battle took down the left sideline for the touchdown. Was that the same game that Charles Rogers completely dominated our secondary?

 

[jiggafini19]

Correct, it was a slip screen that Battle took down the left sideline for the touchdown. Was that the same game that Charles Rogers completely dominated our secondary?

Made one of the most amazing catches I've ever seen at the back of the end zone that gave them the go ahead score. Prior to Reggie Bush, I've never been happier to see a guy turn pro as a Notre Dame fan.

 

[irishnd31]

The Charles Rogers catch was amazing and at the time right after the play, I thought that there was no way his foot was in. They repaled it in slow motion and damned if he didn't get that foot in there. AMAZING!!

I was happy to see him leave too, and had to giggle when I heard that he got pinched breaking the league's substance abuse policy. Atta boy Chaz. Another fine example of the upstanding young men that graduate from Bitchagain State.

 

[irishwavend]

You seem to forget dillingham's STELLAR pass in the BC game...boy if I remember correctly, it was a touchdown pass. Who was Dillingham's coach? Oh that's right, it wasn't Charlie Weis...so, hmmm... Let me think...Wolke CAN get it done, because he knows where the F to throw the ball...Not to the opposing team! And, the passes Wolke has completed haven't been to the safety valve out of the backfield. Wolke gets it done is my point.

 

[jiggafini19]

He's VERY unproven, regardless of who his coach is.

I only want to see him next year when ND is comfortably ahead. Any other circumstance would not be a good one.

 

[irishwavend]

He's VERY unproven, regardless of who his coach is.
I only want to see him next year when ND is comfortably ahead. Any other circumstance would not be a good one.

There is always a drop off to the backup...Now, which dropoff do you think is bigger...Ty who said throw to this player or that player...or from Weis who says read this D player or read that D player and then find your man? If Brady couldnt figure out Ty's system, and said that he felt "he wasn't being coached," who do you think is going to be better? The players that IS coached and coached properly, or the player that isn't being coached or coached properly? Logic says Wolke would do better...Anyway, I want to second your statement about him only coming in during big leads...That would definitely be the preferred evaluation of his talent.

 

[weisfaninmass]

You seem to forget dillingham's STELLAR pass in the BC game...boy if I remember correctly, it was a touchdown pass. Who was Dillingham's coach? Oh that's right, it wasn't Charlie Weis...so, hmmm... Let me think...Wolke CAN get it done, because he knows where the F to throw the ball...Not to the opposing team! And, the passes Wolke has completed haven't been to the safety valve out of the backfield. Wolke gets it done is my point.

The passes (plural) completed?? Try pass - 1. We have NO evidence - pro or con - that Wolke can get it done is my only point. Not sure how you can arrive at any other conclusion.

 

[St.Kittsnd]

Guys, Guys, Guys!!! This is the Recruiting Forum, not the "Which Second String Quarterback Completed How Many Passes" Forum!!! If I take your arguments and turn them to recruiting, I would say that Wolke, and for that matter, Sharpley and Gorski, will be 4, 5, and 6 on the depth chart after Quinn, Frazer and Jones for 06.

We were very fortunate that Brady didn't get injured because the lack of depth would have killed us. Sharpley and Wolke are Ty recruits. I am not saying they are bad players but I believe Charlie will be much more comfortable with his hand picked players playing behind Brady.

I believe that Charlie will want his two recruits to be behind Brady this year so that they will see the field and have some experience for the 07 season.

 

[BGIF]

Mustain keeps the rumor mill churning noting Notre Dame, the Vols, and Bama as his final three on a recruiting show. Final Three outside the state of Arkansas.

 

[BGIF]

December 21, 2005
UA a player for Mustain
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JC Shurburtt
BamaOnLine.com

Before a regional cable television audience, Springdale (Ark.) quarterback Mitch Mustain confirmed to the masses that he has indeed opened his recruitment and that there are four primary contenders for his services, including the Alabama Crimson Tide.

 

[jiggafini19]

Alabama would be a great decision because of Shula's pro style offense. They are also putting together an offensive line in this year's class that will be a rival to that of ND's.

Tennessee is too much of a mess right now. Bama is finally coming out of the wood of their problems. MM should look hard at the Tide.

 

[weisfaninmass]

Alabama would be a great decision because of Shula's pro style offense. They are also putting together an offensive line in this year's class that will be a rival to that of ND's.
Tennessee is too much of a mess right now. Bama is finally coming out of the wood of their problems. MM should look hard at the Tide.

Good point on Bama and Tennessee - but Cutliffe will help settle things down for Tennessee. One needs to look no further than ND to know you need to look forward in your decision and not backward.

I actually would like to see him choose Tennessee bc that will have a negative effect on Clausen choosing Tenn next year.

 

[jiggafini19]

Notre Dame would be a major player here if it weren't for Demetrius Jones and Zach Frazer already being committed. It was a surprise for Mustain to even mention the Fighting Irish as a contender for his services. But the mention let most observers know that the door may be open slightly there just in case something bizarre happens down the stretch.

Bottom line is that Mustain seems to think very highly of Notre Dame. His high school teammate, Bartley Webb is headed to South Bend and bolting to one of the nation's most storied football program, miles away from the SEC, would seem logical. Also, there is no doubt that Mustain would be a great fit in the Irish offensive attack and would certainly blossom under the tutelage of Charlie Weis, a proven developer of quarterbacks on all levels.

The question is can Notre Dame take him and the answer is probably not. The Irish are quickly running out of scholarships and they already have committed themselves to Jones and Frazer. If something should happen to one of those two, then it is probable that Notre Dame takes the driver's seat.

"It's an awesome place," Mustain said. "They came out this year and were better than expected."

 

[jiggafini19]

I"m really surprised this is still a relevant topic. Even if something bizarre happens, I would much rather have someone at DT than a third QB. Urban has 6 WR verballed right now. I'm not sure I understand the logic of stockpiling 3 high quality QBs into one class. But at this point, I'm p*ssing in the wind because we discussed this three weeks ago.

Carufel, Young and McCoy should be the focus right now. And I think ND gets all three, thus keeping Mustain in the SEC.

Tennessee's program has not enjoyed a very good 12 months. On and off the field, their players have been lackluster. Cutcliffe had better take deep breaths and watch his health at that place. For his sake, I hope they can get the wheels back on.

Arkansas looks like a bunch of jackasses now. I'm looking forward to seeing a high school coach coordinate an offense in the SEC, especially since he had all the D-I talent in the state of Arkansas and mowed over everyone by an average of 47-8. They've placed a great deal of pressure on Mustain and because of that, I hope he chooses Alabama.

 

[scooper]

Jigg, I agree with who I'd rather have. But remaining spots are irrelevant because MM would probably be an early enrollee. I think that deadline is about here so if he's coming, we should know soon.

I doubt he is, though. And I'm happy with that as I like the guys we have already.

I'm with you, out of the remaining teams, I'm pulling for Bama. I was happy to see him stay home, but they are so messed up now I hope he goes elsewhere.

 

[weisfaninmass]

I"m really surprised this is still a relevant topic. Even if something bizarre happens, I would much rather have someone at DT than a third QB. Urban has 6 WR verballed right now. I'm not sure I understand the logic of stockpiling 3 high quality QBs into one class. But at this point, I'm p*ssing in the wind because we discussed this three weeks ago.
Carufel, Young and McCoy should be the focus right now. And I think ND gets all three, thus keeping Mustain in the SEC.
Tennessee's program has not enjoyed a very good 12 months. On and off the field, their players have been lackluster. Cutcliffe had better take deep breaths and watch his health at that place. For his sake, I hope they can get the wheels back on.
Arkansas looks like a bunch of jackasses now. I'm looking forward to seeing a high school coach coordinate an offense in the SEC, especially since he had all the D-I talent in the state of Arkansas and mowed over everyone by an average of 47-8. They've placed a great deal of pressure on Mustain and because of that, I hope he chooses Alabama.

The previous posts were all on where Mustain might go (other than ND) -- very relevant and interesting topic. Agree on Young, McCoy and Carufel. 3 QB's will mean 1 will xfer in 1 - 2 years ala Matt Lo.

 

[jiggafini19]

The previous posts were all on where Mustain might go (other than ND) -- very relevant and interesting topic. Agree on Young, McCoy and Carufel. 3 QB's will mean 1 will xfer in 1 - 2 years ala Matt Lo.

Agreed. I was referring to any and all possibility that he will end up at ND. I honestly think that Carufel, Young and McCoy are locked up. Austin, Moore, Kates, Mustain are on the outside looking in.

 

[weisfaninmass]

Agreed. I was referring to any and all possibility that he will end up at ND. I honestly think that Carufel, Young and McCoy are locked up. Austin, Moore, Kates, Mustain are on the outside looking in.

That and a Fiesta Bowl win would make a great football year......Let's hope it plays according to plan.

 

[jiggafini19]

That and a Fiesta Bowl win would make a great football year......Let's hope it plays according to plan.

McCoy's religious background and the fact that Young comes from a home with educators leads me to believe that ND is appealing to them off of the field as well as on it.