'16 TX LB Jeffrey McCulloch (Texas Verbal)

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Brutal how quick he was to say Stanford fits him the best academically. It's not that I disagree... but man, that's just a dagger. Are they ever going to go back to being a crappy also-ran?

Notre Dame built its identity on being a great Catholic school. It has an excellent, probably the best, education of the top universities in terms of educating the whole person.

But if we insist on ignoring that, and treating it as another secular university, it is not better than Stanford or Duke, and pretty much on par with a lot of other schools like Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, USC, UCLA, Cal, UVA, etc.

I wonder what made him say Stanford was a better fit?
 
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Brutal how quick he was to say Stanford fits him the best academically. It's not that I disagree... but man, that's just a dagger. Are they ever going to go back to being a crappy also-ran?

What does it even mean to say that Stanford 'fits the best academically'? It is the highest U.S. News ranked school with an FBS football program. Is that what it means? This isn't like grad school where you are choosing one program over another because they have more people working on whatever topic you plan to focus on.
 

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I am not sure that he is looking for a reason not to go to ND, as much as he is doing his research. Maybe he does want to come to ND, but wants to see what the Texas schools do. There doesn't seem to be any pressure on him from ND to decide right now, so he might as well let the process play out. The fans seem to be the only ones clamoring for him to make the call. Then, if he decides on Texas and staying home, he looks like a jerk. Plus, is everyone here sure that the NFL, aka the Giants, are not going to come calling for BK? I think it would be a mistake for BK to go, but maybe McCullough just wants to see what is going to happen the next month to all teams.

Brewdog nailed it. With other recruits in the past I'd be with you 100%, but not this one. Due diligence is much different than a kid that has favored ND for a long time and who keeps pushing his commitment date back. In this case, he's making sure IMO. He is indecisive, which is perfectly understandable and he's waiting until he is 100% sure. (I think he goes to TX personally, but that's purely a guess.


I can't really argue with that. Like I said never against a kid taking the time they need to make the best decision for them. I have not followed him enough to get a good feel for his personality so my initial impression that he was looking for a reason to not choose ND could very well be way off. Hope he makes the right choice for himself and hopefully that happens to be to come to Notre Dame.
 

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Brutal how quick he was to say Stanford fits him the best academically. It's not that I disagree... but man, that's just a dagger. Are they ever going to go back to being a crappy also-ran?

Just wait till next August. Every ND board will be convinced Stanford will go 6-6 and that we knew Shaw wasn't a good coach all along. It was just a matter of time until losing Gerhart then Harbaugh then Luck caught up with them.
 

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What does it even mean to say that Stanford 'fits the best academically'? It is the highest U.S. News ranked school with an FBS football program. Is that what it means? This isn't like grad school where you are choosing one program over another because they have more people working on whatever topic you plan to focus on.

He probably means that they have some kind of major that he is interested in.
 

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Loved that interview. So well spoken. BUT...

How can some someone who says they want to major in marketing and get his JD if the NFL is not in his future say Stanford is the best fit academically? The only bachelors you can get at Stanford that is related to the business world is Econ IIRC.

If you want a BS in Marketing, a JD afterwards, play linebacker at the highest level of college football and be prepared to play in the NFL afterwards, ND beats Stanford. ND beats Stanford on the education factoring those criteria alone.

Am I wrong? Am I missing something here? Has Stanford started a business school for undergrads while I was under a rock?
 
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Don't you just get the feeling that a lot of what he says is just to get everyone off of his back?

Don't you think he is just a seventeen year old that wants to let the process play out, and have some fun with it?

I don't see him as saying one thing definitive, just a bunch of things to point in a possible different direction, (distraction.)
 

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Loved that interview. So well spoken. BUT...

How can some someone who says they want to major in marketing and get his JD if the NFL is not in his future say Stanford is the best fit academically? The only bachelors you can get at Stanford that is related to the business world is Econ IIRC.

If you want a BS in Marketing, a JD afterwards, play linebacker at the highest level of college football and be prepared to play in the NFL afterwards, ND beats Stanford. ND beats Stanford on the education factoring those criteria alone.

Am I wrong? Am I missing something here? Has Stanford started a business school for undergrads while I was under a rock?

I get what you're saying, but you're looking at this with a heavy ND bias. We're talking about 17 & 18 year old kids. No matter how well spoken or how flighty they may sound, what's racing around in a teenagers brain is hard to figure out. I can't tell you how many times as a teenager I made decisions based on emotion or feeling instead of solid logical facts. LOL

IMO he wants to go to UT or A&M if things clear up. If they don't by signing day he's Irish.
 

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I know some other schools have good education if you want to put the work into it. But its good to see top players taking a hard route than taking trash removal 101.
 

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Loved that interview. So well spoken. BUT...

How can some someone who says they want to major in marketing and get his JD if the NFL is not in his future say Stanford is the best fit academically? The only bachelors you can get at Stanford that is related to the business world is Econ IIRC.

If you want a BS in Marketing, a JD afterwards, play linebacker at the highest level of college football and be prepared to play in the NFL afterwards, ND beats Stanford. ND beats Stanford on the education factoring those criteria alone.

Am I wrong? Am I missing something here? Has Stanford started a business school for undergrads while I was under a rock?

I think so. While everyone seems to become academic purists when it comes to rankings, the fact is that reputation matters, and it matters more and more as you get to the top. By the time you are in that rarified world of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, its a really big deal. Especially in certain industries and in certain locations (think banking in New York).

A lot of school is BS. You go through the motions and you get a degree. Everyone is smart and talks and thinks pretty much the same. The question is what do you bring to the table? IMO work ethic is by far the most important quality. After that, its much more subjective. In a lot of situations, you learn on the job anyway. So a hardworking kid with a prestigious degree may be percieved as more valuable than a kid from a slightly better program at a lower ranked school. It's snobby, but so is life.

Stanford is one of the nation's truly elite schools. The name is a BIG DEAL if you are smart enough to get in and blend in. If you get an economics degree from Stanford with a business accounting class, a couple marketing classes, etc., tossed in there, I am not sure you are going to really be sweating it come application time. Then again, if you get Cs, people might be quick to conclude you were just there to play football.

So if I am a football player, I'd rather get the business degree from ND. The emphasis on group projects and presentations is a huge plus for their schedules. I'd be more confident that I could do well at ND in their business program than I could compete with Stanford kids in whatever equivalent classes they have--but who knows, maybe the grade inflation is pretty serious if you know how to navigate the system.
 
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A poster above: Someone please explain to me the remote checks for going to TX or A&M over ND again?

Could it be the SPREAD formation?
 

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spoke with coaches from both Notre Dame and Texas on Monday.

"They were pretty much encouraging me, telling me that I'm doing good from what they are hearing and just telling me to keep it up," Davis(this is an error as it should say Jeffrey NOT DAVIS) said when asked about his conversations with the Irish.
"Not so much [from] Texas A&M," he said. "I probably talk to them two or three times a week. But Texas is every day along with Notre Dame."

stanford-"Actually, they have been more focused on the Rose Bowl. I don't believe they are recruiting anybody right now," he said.

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He told Rivals the other day that of all the schools ND has the best chemistry right now.
 

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Andrew Ivins thinks its a ND/Texas battle with Stanford on the outside pending admission.
 

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So awesome that Stanford gets gifted an easy marquee win over Iowa and we have to play OSU.

I got into an argument with a co-worker about that the other day. Not sure why but it pisses me off that they seem to get these easy opportunities. On the flip side, we could've just beat them and it probably wouldn't have happened.
 

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I got into an argument with a co-worker about that the other day. Not sure why but it pisses me off that they seem to get these easy opportunities. On the flip side, we could've just beat them and it probably wouldn't have happened.

It is because ND is such a powerful name in CFB...nobody cares about Stanford or Iowa outside of their state/region. Any chance the bowls can pair up ND vs another CFB powerhouse (this time OSU) they are going to jump all over it. These other two teams can play each other in a different bowl.

It was the same last year, a bad ND team still was matched up against a "good" LSU team who was supposed to mop us with the floor...nobody liked that match up or our chances going in.
 

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I got into an argument with a co-worker about that the other day. Not sure why but it pisses me off that they seem to get these easy opportunities. On the flip side, we could've just beat them and it probably wouldn't have happened.

If we had beaten them, this would probably have still been the matchups. We'd be #5 playing #7 Ohio State. Iowa would be #6 playing #10ish PAC12 champ Stanford. The way the cookie crumbles pretty much never works in our favor, and it is mostly due to operating as an at-large.
 

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If we had beaten them, this would probably have still been the matchups. We'd be #5 playing #7 Ohio State. Iowa would be #6 playing #10ish PAC12 champ Stanford. The way the cookie crumbles pretty much never works in our favor, and it is mostly due to operating as an at-large.

Can you provide some examples, please? I can't think of one time the cookie crumbled the wrong way for ND due to being an independent.

I understand what you're saying about this year if we would have beat Stanford but I think that win would have put us in the playoff. Very debatable I realize having a realistic 5 teams for 4 spots but I think some way, some how the win over Stanford would have done if for us.

Regardless, it will be a moot point once they expand to 8 teams in 3-5 years. That is the one reason I wish ND would have won at Stanford and was still left out...most certainly would have sped up that decision.
 
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I got into an argument with a co-worker about that the other day. Not sure why but it pisses me off that they seem to get these easy opportunities. On the flip side, we could've just beat them and it probably wouldn't have happened.

And just think, if Michigan State doesn't get gifted their win over Michigan then Ohio State goes on to beat Iowa and gets into the playoff and Notre Dame likely gets Michigan State in the Fiesta Bowl. I would take that trade.
 

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And just think, if Michigan State doesn't get gifted their win over Michigan then Ohio State goes on to beat Iowa and gets into the playoff and Notre Dame likely gets Michigan State in the Fiesta Bowl. I would take that trade.

I don't understand all the OSU infatuation. Why would you rather play MSU over OSU...I assume you think that is an easier match up? They are both good teams and last I saw MSU beat the Buckeyes on the field.
 

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The other thing with the OSU fascination is that it seems to be the same as the bowl committee's. They did not look good all year, but were kept in there because of last year's run and the idea that at any time, they could start that run again. ND may get beaten this week as I THINK OSU is a good team. But so is ND and other than the Michigan game, when did OSU look dominant?
 

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Can you provide some examples, please? I can't think of one time the cookie crumbled the wrong way for ND due to being an independent.

I understand what you're saying about this year if we would have beat Stanford but I think that win would have put us in the playoff. Very debatable I realize having a realistic 5 teams for 4 spots but I think some way, some how the win over Stanford would have done if for us.

Regardless, it will be a moot point once they expand to 8 teams in 3-5 years. That is the one reason I wish ND would have won at Stanford and was still left out...most certainly would have sped up that decision.

Historically, we always get one of the hardest BCS matchups because we are an at-large. And it makes sense when you look at how everything is picked. We have a much smaller probability of getting matched up against a replacement-level also-ran, because we don't have any automatic tie-ins.

In the BCS era, this is because we were first pick. That's why ND had such a large bowl losing streak before conference bowl contracts completely took over... we'd get picked on name to play someone who was much better than us. Then things leveled out over the past couple years, because the way contracts are set up we're likely to play a comparable opponent and not a mismatch.

Now in this era, the issue is similar. Look at the non tie-in teams that were picked... there's only two of them. Notre Dame, and Ohio State. All the other teams were slotted based on the conference tie-in and their finish in the CFP poll... Houston is technically an at-large also in that they're a free agent, but they had a guaranteed spot. So 5 of 6 teams had a FIRM landing spot.

So whenever the bowls shake out how they did this year (i.e. half the bowls being tie-in driven, and one "at large" game), ND will always by default get one of hardest matchups possible, because the only team that can reasonably be selected as their opponent is the highest ranked untethered team. It comes from the lack of flexibility in assigning matchups. It's virtually impossible to luck into playing an Ole Miss or Oklahoma State if there is a tie-in heavy slate like this year.

This no longer becomes the case if it's a year like last year where 6 out of 8 spots were available to at-large teams. Depends on how tied everyone's hands are... in the previous system and years like this year we're absolutely going to get one of the hardest matchups possible if eligible.
 

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Historically, we always get one of the hardest BCS matchups because we are an at-large. And it makes sense when you look at how everything is picked. We have a much smaller probability of getting matched up against a replacement-level also-ran, because we don't have any automatic tie-ins.

In the BCS era, this is because we were first pick. That's why ND had such a large bowl losing streak before conference bowl contracts completely took over... we'd get picked on name to play someone who was much better than us. Then things leveled out over the past couple years, because the way contracts are set up we're likely to play a comparable opponent and not a mismatch.

Now in this era, the issue is similar. Look at the non tie-in teams that were picked... there's only two of them. Notre Dame, and Ohio State. All the other teams were slotted based on the conference tie-in and their finish in the CFP poll... Houston is technically an at-large also in that they're a free agent, but they had a guaranteed spot. So 5 of 6 teams had a FIRM landing spot.

So whenever the bowls shake out how they did this year (i.e. half the bowls being tie-in driven, and one "at large" game), ND will always by default get one of hardest matchups possible, because the only team that can reasonably be selected as their opponent is the highest ranked untethered team. It comes from the lack of flexibility in assigning matchups. It's virtually impossible to luck into playing an Ole Miss or Oklahoma State if there is a tie-in heavy slate like this year.

This no longer becomes the case if it's a year like last year where 6 out of 8 spots were available to at-large teams. Depends on how tied everyone's hands are... in the previous system and years like this year we're absolutely going to get one of the hardest matchups possible if eligible.

Ok, I see your reasoning but think we might have a misunderstanding on what the cookie falling on the wrong side means.

I think playing up, in bigger/better bowls against the better competition is a good thing...last year paired up with LSU, what a great example. We had no business with our record playing in that game..but guess what, ND gets the nod. Because ND football is so huge. We just need to be a good enough football team to play and win these games.

But I don't think it has anything to do with being independent. Now not expanding the playoff outside of 4 teams may eventually be an issue...and might be the only thing that forces us in a conference. But either us or another big program would have to be the fifth on the outside looking in before that is a real hot topic.
 

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He told Rivals the other day that of all the schools ND has the best chemistry right now.

Notre Dame has a top notch Chemistry department, and has so since Fr. Nieuwland invented synthetic rubber.


Or is that not what he was talking about????
 

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Personally I'm glad we are playing OSU. I want the toughest matchup possible in a bowl game. We are no longer a program that needs to find some cream puff to play in a bowl. For the life of me I can't figure out why people are afraid of good competition. As it relates to McCulloch results of these games will have zero effect on his decision.
 

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Agree with this. A win would be great for us, but I would imagine that these kids want to see us competitive. If they won't come here because we lose to the number 5 team and defending national champions in a good game, they did not want to come here in the first place.
 

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Anyone who'd rather we be playing Houston out of fear we'll lose to Ohio State ought to think about their priorities.
 
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