But CFB needs a playoff right??

[LOVEMYIRISH]

That is what I figured....that is the Worst SOS out there...

Playing an 11-2 LSU is the same as playing an 11-2 Nevada....

Its based purely on inflated records, the best SOS is when you take into account your opponents record and your oponnents oponnents record

Auburn beat 5 ranked teams, USC beat 3. USC played incredibly weak teams as well: CSU, UW, BYU, WSU, Arizona, UCLA, Notre Dame, and Stanford. None of these teams broke 500.

You are not exactly looking at a top notch schedule for USC back in 2004...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

My point isn't the D1AA alone (though I have ZERO SYMPATHY for anyone who does schedule a D1AA team)

The Bottom of the Auburn schedule and the bottom of the USC schedule puts USC over the top....this is why they were seeded #2....

Sure it was close, but the system got it righ, like they do every year

Actually, the ONLY reason Auburn got no shot at the title is that they started the season unranked.

It is virtually impossible for an UNRANKED team that ends up undefeated to get aheadof a RANKED team that ends up undefeated. Pollsters simply won't let a team that started lower JUMP a team that started higher.

 

[FleaFlicker]

Actually, the ONLY reason Auburn got no shot at the title is that they started the season unranked.

It is virtually impossible for an UNRANKED team that ends up undefeated to get aheadof a RANKED team that ends up undefeated. Pollsters simply won't let a team that started lower JUMP a team that started higher.

Funny thing is, if Boise St. started the season No.1 (by some miracle) they would have played OSU for the title. Florida or Michigan wouldn't have jumped them, only another undefeated team could have.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Funny thing is, if Boise St. started the season No.1 (by some miracle) they would have played OSU for the title. Florida or Michigan wouldn't have jumped them, only another undefeated team could have.

not true at all, their computer rankings would have kept them out....and under the old BCS system they wouldn't have had a shot at all, as the computers, SOS, and Quality wins would have kept them out

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

not true at all, their computer rankings would have kept them out....and under the old BCS system they wouldn't have had a shot at all, as the computers, SOS, and Quality wins would have kept them out

That is not true for 2004. You should go check your facts on that.

If humans had voted Auburn 1 or 2, they would have played for the NC.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Why not have a Playoff?

Why not have a Playoff?

PLayoff advocates will tell you that it will give us a "true champion"...they will tell you its best to "win it on the field", they will tell you all these "great" things...yet we have no playoff...

Why not?

Many seem to think we don't have one because of money, but if all a playoff will do is give us more games....Then won't that create MORE MONEY...a playoff won't bring in less money, it would bring in more

So playoff advocates, please explain why College football DOESN"T change to a playoff

(Could it be the powers that be know it would ruin the most exciting season in all of sports)

 

[wahoo]

I'm all for a playoff. It seems to work just fine in Div II and Div III. The bowls would get upset but there is a way to have a playoff and keep the bowls happy. Take the top 16 teams. Use the bowls for the games with the finals rotating to a different bowl each year.

 

[solo]

PLayoff advocates will tell you that it will give us a "true champion"...they will tell you its best to "win it on the field", they will tell you all these "great" things...yet we have no playoff...

Why not?

Many seem to think we don't have one because of money, but if all a playoff will do is give us more games....Then won't that create MORE MONEY...a playoff won't bring in less money, it would bring in more

So playoff advocates, please explain why College football DOESN"T change to a playoff

(Could it be the powers that be know it would ruin the most exciting season in all of sports)

The reason that there is no playoff is because nobody has proposed a playoff scenario that can guarantee the greedy BCS conferences that they will make the same amount of money. That's it.

Your attitude of potentially "ruining the greatest sport ever" is naive. Everybody that has watched college football for any length of time knows that it is all about the money.

 

[Timugen]

Everybody that has watched college football for any length of time knows that it is all about the money.

Umm...exactly what other sport that is regularly televised nationally isn't about the money. If the bowl system is so much of a better money-maker than a playoff system then you can bet the NFL would have went to some sort of configuration different than the current. And if you think that there aren't people who are employed solely to research revenue potentials for alternative systems then you are sadly mistaken. Can you say "Wild Card?"

 

[solo]

Umm...exactly what other sport that is regularly televised nationally isn't about the money. If the bowl system is so much of a better money-maker than a playoff system then you can bet the NFL would have went to some sort of configuration different than the current. And if you think that there aren't people who are employed solely to research revenue potentials for alternative systems then you are sadly mistaken. Can you say "Wild Card?"

But other sports also have a post season that is designed to name a champion from a field of the best teams while generating revenue. College football's post season for the longest time was simply a means of generating revenue. There was even a time when the champ was named before the bowls were played. So our present post season has developed from that same system.

The polls eventually wisely decided to wait until after the bowls were played to name the champ, but still, it was the polls responsibility to name the champ. The primary reason for the bowls was to generate revenue, not determine a champion

Now we have the BCS whose mission is to generate revenue while naming a champion all within the confines of the archaic bowl system. It is clearly based on the premise that we can accurately determine who the 2 best teams are. The mission of the BCS was to put #1 vs #2 in a bowl game to determine the champ while preserving the bowl system who's sole purpose is to generate revenue. The compromise maintained the long history of bowls generating a ton of money.

When a proposal is made that will guarantee more money, we will have the playoff. The BCS was an obvious compromise in an attempt to add some legitimacy to the post season. But the reason for the bowls sticking around as long as they have has nothing to do with what's best for the sport. It's all about the green.

 

[Timugen]

You missed my point solo.

1. If the current system for CFB is truly "all about the money," then that would mean it is in place because an alternative system (a playoff) wouldn't make as much money.

2. The NFL, moreso than CFB, is "all about the money."

3. The NFL has a playoff system, and they are by no stretch of the imagination short on revenue. If there was a way to make more money, they would do it (and they have, e.g. wild cards.)

4. The idea that CFB hasn't went to a playoff because it wouldn't make as much money is based in either ignorance or biased intellectual dishonesty.



Yes, CFB generates major bucks and I'm very well aware of the origin of the bowl system, but to think they've stayed away from playoffs because of a fear of losing money is ridiculous - there is no reason to think that a playoff would be less profitable than a bowl system. If it were less profitable, the NFL wouldn't be doing it.

It's called tradition, and a regular season where every single game of the year is as important to the team and the fans as the last game of the season is for an NFL team trying to get a wild card spot.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

What we really need is the HS's to have a National Championship, we could take the state champs and have them play in a playoff so we could determine the "true" champion, instead of the USA today poll

 

[Vince Young]

What we really need is the HS's to have a National Championship, we could take the state champs and have them play in a playoff so we could determine the "true" champion, instead of the USA today poll

Please tell me you're kidding.

It's hard to tell with you sometimes.

 

[solo]

You missed my point solo.

1. If the current system for CFB is truly "all about the money," then that would mean it is in place because an alternative system (a playoff) wouldn't make as much money.

2. The NFL, moreso than CFB, is "all about the money."

3. The NFL has a playoff system, and they are by no stretch of the imagination short on revenue. If there was a way to make more money, they would do it (and they have, e.g. wild cards.)

4. The idea that CFB hasn't went to a playoff because it wouldn't make as much money is based in either ignorance or biased intellectual dishonesty.



Yes, CFB generates major bucks and I'm very well aware of the origin of the bowl system, but to think they've stayed away from playoffs because of a fear of losing money is ridiculous - there is no reason to think that a playoff would be less profitable than a bowl system. If it were less profitable, the NFL wouldn't be doing it.

It's called tradition, and a regular season where every single game of the year is as important to the team and the fans as the last game of the season is for an NFL team trying to get a wild card spot.

I'm not at all trying to be intelluctally dishonest. I just happen to think that College Football is run by greed, like many other businesses. And if a porposal was laid out that could GUARANTEE (this part is key) the BCS conferences that they would make more money, I think they would be all over it.

You see, you can talk about tradition and meaningful regular season all you want. That is window dressing. The bottom line in my opinion is that these conferences have a cash cow in the bowl system and they are going to keep milking it until a richer venue comes along. And it can't be a venue that MIGHT make more money. It must be guaranteed more money as we have a long, well established history of the BCS conferences making tons of money from the current system.

When TV executives come to the NCAA with a guarantee of more money, we will see a playoff. And not until then.

 

[jiggafini19]

What we really need is the HS's to have a National Championship, we could take the state champs and have them play in a playoff so we could determine the "true" champion, instead of the USA today poll

That's just ONE high school poll, though.

Don't forget Max Preps, Student Sports, etc.

Already there are problems with this formula.

I tried to figure out the BCS formula and ended up with a recipe for Chilli.