'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[GoldenToTheGrave]

You want to bet on who is faster?

And I will tell you which one doesn't get gassed from one end of the field to the other.

Kizer is developing so fast that reports are not up to date at game time.

Kelly has liked his share of tall quarterbacks, don't miss that one.

I think that next year ND, Kelly, Sanford, and the gang are in a true position to enjoy the benefits of two quarterbacks, with non of the drawbacks.

I think it will work, they will make it work, and there is every benefit to having two guys like that for a opposing team to prepare! (Can you imagine having enough time to cover enough of both of them in a week of prep practice!)

I would be 5 to 1 that Malik is faster, and the biggest difference is in acceleration. Kizer is fast once he gets in stride, but his acceleration is average, while Malik hits full speed very quickly. Isn't a knock on Kizer.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think Kizer is equal to Zaire in terms of top speed, but yes, Zaire is can go 0 to 60 a lot easier than Kizer and is a more natural runner.

 

[ndfi78]

Malik is faster and a much better natural runner but the primarly advantages he had was his experience and his performance in practice. Zaire had demonstrated that he could deliver in the bowl game, while Kizer was from all account atrocious in the Spring game.

The interesting thing is that Kizer is now a much more experienced and proven starter than Malik is, so it's tough for Zaire since what was once a key advantage for him becomes a very strong one for Kizer.

The thing to consider is that Zaire is much closer to BK's prototypical QB than Kizer is. This team was built for Zaire and his threat as runner as well as passer, Kizer is just making do but honestly the entire playbook is far from open to him. Kizer's performance in that light is impressive and you have to note that Kizer while lacking the straight speed of Zaire is an extremely versatile athlete (he could be playing pro baseball right now and college basketball) almost a throwback when today kids pick a sport to specialize in before they even join AAU.

I love me some Malik though, every time he's been asked to step up he has gone above and beyond. Kizer's performances have been good to outstanding but Malik delivered basically a perfect game versus Texas. Remember that other teams really don't have a report on Kizer. For example Temple was totally unprepared for Kizer to run. Kizer is sort of winging it, and that impacts what the defense is ready for as well. Kizer's performance in the bowl game or Playoffs when teams have a month to prepare will impact to a large degree what BK decides to do. Whatever happens Kizer will definitely be playing at the next level though so he will be fine. Zaire is in a much more precarious position even as to what program he will suit up for this time next year.

Zaire has started 3 games, only completing 2. Let's not pretend he was tearing it up in the UVA game either. Kizer has 7 starts. There is a much larger body of work for opposing coaches to look at with Kizer. Kizer ran 14 times against USC, if Temple wasn't ready for him running then Rhule is not the coach everyone thinks he is...

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Zaire has started 3 games, only completing 2. Let's not pretend he was tearing it up in the UVA game either. Kizer has 7 starts. There is a much larger body of work for opposing coaches to look at with Kizer. Kizer ran 14 times against USC, if Temple wasn't ready for him running then Rhule is not the coach everyone thinks he is...

Took the words out of my mouth.

 

[ulukinatme]

Zaire didn't necessarily have a great game against UVA passing the ball, but I don't pin that completely on him. We came out with a bad game plan, receivers struggled, UVA brought a lot of exotic blitzs that gave us problems, it was all kind of a mess not just one position. I like the fact we ran some more screens last week against Pitt, as well as pitching the ball out to Prosise in the flat. I think we could have used more of that against UVA and against teams that have been stacking the box against us.

That said, I think we still have to see how Kizer and the team finish out the year. If they make it to the playoff and beyond, there will be a strong push I wager for Kizer to remain the starter. If we fall against Stanford and/or struggle in a bowl, I expect Zaire to resume as starter as it was in the beginning. At the very least they'll have a QB competition (Which is probably inevitable with either scenario tbh).

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I will bet that from one endzone to another, Kizer is faster.

But I have respect for Zaire, and those that posted. Yes I believe that Malik may be a bit quicker.

And Malik runs with a lower center of gravity.

Malik may have better lateral speed by a bit.

But here is the important point I am going to stand with : DK has that running motion, a bit unorthodox, and looks longer and more gangly, even though he really is 235 pounds.

That isn't the only place your eyes deceive you with Kizer's performance. We noticed it in high school. In person, this kid looks slow. No doubt. But when you watch him he is juking kids, and leaving some pretty fast kids in the dust.

A guy that scouted CCHS for another school for over twenty years called him the 'fastest slow guy' he had ever seen.

And that is the point. The only thing that is slow about DeShone is the way his stride looks, and that is when you are focused on DeShone, alone. When you watch him running with someone else, not so much. He is usually setting the pace, and others just quite can't keep up!

It will be fun to see his actual combine time.

 

[TomHaverford]

really wish Michigan could've snagged him somehow.

Kizer is a flat out stud. Only rs frosh, gonna be scary to see where he's at as a RS Jr.

Think he has some legit 1st round potential. Big-time talent.

 

[PANDFAN]

really wish Michigan could've snagged him somehow.

Kizer is a flat out stud. Only rs frosh, gonna be scary to see where he's at as a RS Jr.

Think he has some legit 1st round potential. Big-time talent.

you wouldn't rather have shane morris?

 

[TomHaverford]

you wouldn't rather have shane morris?

think they were in different classes, no?

I have no problem with Hoke taking Shane Morris. I still say he was a take just based on that arm. It's the fact that Hoke promised him he wasn't going to take anybody the class before or in the same class. HUGE freaking mistake. Should've taken at least 1 QB in 2012 and for sure another one in the same class as Morris.

I don't care how good you think a QB recruit is, you never put all your eggs in one basket. That was ludicrous. Especially when you consider how raw Morris was and the fact that he missed a huge part of his senior year with an illness.

They did it again in 2014, when they promised Wilton Speight if he committed he'd be the only QB they were taking. Ludicrous. Should've taken at least one more QB that class just based on numbers alone at the position.


Back to Kizer though, he is LEGIT. Very rare you see a guy that size that can really throw and run. Usually it's just one or the other. He's pretty damn good at both. If he continues to develop he'll be a very high draft pick. I have a tough time seeing Zaire getting that job back.

 

[PANDFAN]

think they were in different classes, no?

I have no problem with Hoke taking Shane Morris. I still say he was a take just based on that arm. It's the fact that Hoke promised him he wasn't going to take anybody the class before or in the same class. HUGE freaking mistake. Should've taken at least 1 QB in 2012 and for sure another one in the same class as Morris.

I don't care how good you think a QB recruit is, you never put all your eggs in one basket. That was ludicrous. Especially when you consider how raw Morris was and the fact that he missed a huge part of his senior year with an illness.

They did it again in 2014, when they promised Wilton Speight if he committed he'd be the only QB they were taking. Ludicrous. Should've taken at least one more QB that class just based on numbers alone at the position.

Back to Kizer though, he is LEGIT. Very rare you see a guy that size that can really throw and run. Usually it's just one or the other. He's pretty damn good at both. If he continues to develop he'll be a very high draft pick. I have a tough time seeing Zaire getting that job back.

was just messing w/ ya.......however Kizer was pretty raw(had tools but needed a lot of work w/ mechanics/footwork although high football iq) in high school as well due to playing multiple sports..hell, he almost gave up football this spring to try out for the baseball team...crazy to think...

 

[ND-North]

Wilbon just put him second on his Heisman list behind Fournette. He's had a lot of love for ND in the past couple weeks.

Will be interesting to see if he does get some Heisman chatter if he continues to put up big numbers and wins out.

 

[Irish2155]

Did Wilbon on PTI just say he still has Fournette as the Heisman favorite narrowly over KIZER!?!?!

I'm pretty sure I heard that right.

 

[Irish Insanity]

really wish Michigan could've snagged him somehow.

Kizer is a flat out stud. Only rs frosh, gonna be scary to see where he's at as a RS Jr.

Think he has some legit 1st round potential. Big-time talent.

As a RS Jr he very well could be riding the bench.

Did Wilbon on PTI just say he still has Fournette as the Heisman favorite narrowly over KIZER!?!?!

I'm pretty sure I heard that right.

Wilbon just put him second on his Heisman list behind Fournette. He's had a lot of love for ND in the past couple weeks.

Will be interesting to see if he does get some Heisman chatter if he continues to put up big numbers and wins out.

Giddy up

 

[aubeirish]

As a RS Jr he very well could be riding the bench.

We'll see what happens, but I doubt it. Kizer is not a finish product by any means, but if he continues to improve his mechanics and his ability to read defenses, sky is the limit for him. He has everything really. Height, IQ, speed, powerful arm, quick learning ability, clutcheness, balls of steel, etc... Not saying this will happen, but It wouldn't surprise me if he's a top1-2 overall pick in 2-3 years.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I cannot imagine Kizer riding for Malik. Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience? No way he knows what Kizer knows. Kizer has superior physical stats. cant see it happening.

With Wimbush coming on, Malik may never see much play time again.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I cannot imagine Kizer riding for Malik. Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience? No way he knows what Kizer knows. Kizer has superior physical stats. cant see it happening.

With Wimbush coming on, Malik may never see much play time again.

We will see how it plays out. But I don't think I agree with any single part of your post.

 

[jakerbluegold]

I cannot imagine Kizer riding for Malik. Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience? No way he knows what Kizer knows. Kizer has superior physical stats. cant see it happening.

With Wimbush coming on, Malik may never see much play time again.

Position switch?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience?

We will see how it plays out. But I don't think I agree with any single part of your post.

You don't agree that DeShone has more game experience?

 

[Irish Insanity]

You don't agree that DeShone has more game experience?

Please find where he said that.
He didn't.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Please find where he said that.
He didn't.

I cannot imagine Kizer riding for Malik. Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience? No way he knows what Kizer knows. Kizer has superior physical stats. cant see it happening.

With Wimbush coming on, Malik may never see much play time again.

Right in the middle. The part you must not have read. Read, get it?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I cannot imagine Kizer riding for Malik. Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience? No way he knows what Kizer knows. Kizer has superior physical stats. cant see it happening.

With Wimbush coming on, Malik may never see much play time again.

Right in the middle. The part you must not have read. Read, get it?

No, he said Malik has what 8 total quarters of game experience. That's false. He started and completed 2 games. That's 8 quarters. So add the start of the UVA game, 4 games he played scrub duty last year. That's more than 8 total quarters. Nowhere did he compare that to Kizer's game experience.

 

[Old Man Mike]

When I look at Deshone Kizer, I see a GREAT quarterback coming to be. Great --- not just good. I think that Herbstreit sees this too --- he mentions how Kizer is playing constantly. Speilman talked about it. That's two of the best commentators out there.

Kizer's 6'5" is PERFECT for Kelly. ... and perfect for the NFL. Kizer is slick moving around the pocket, and seems to have awareness of clock and all of that. In some ways he is becoming just as dangerous a runner as Malik --- Malik is a runner and a strong brutal one by nature and might be better AT RB if he can't make Deshone sit. Deshone doesn't read the zone read really well, but he's so darn smart that he's getting better before your eyes.

Good Lord, but this young guy has potential out the roof. Stay healthy and he's an all-American some day --- maybe even next year.

 

[koonja]

I don't like sitting Malik and I don't think he deserves to sit. But there's no way Kizer is sitting IMO.

 

[aubeirish]

When I look at Deshone Kizer, I see a GREAT quarterback coming to be. Great --- not just good. I think that Herbstreit sees this too --- he mentions how Kizer is playing constantly. Speilman talked about it. That's two of the best commentators out there.

Kizer's 6'5" is PERFECT for Kelly. ... and perfect for the NFL. Kizer is slick moving around the pocket, and seems to have awareness of clock and all of that. In some ways he is becoming just as dangerous a runner as Malik --- Malik is a runner and a strong brutal one by nature and might be better AT RB if he can't make Deshone sit. Deshone doesn't read the zone read really well, but he's so darn smart that he's getting better before your eyes.

Good Lord, but this young guy has potential out the roof. Stay healthy and he's an all-American some day --- maybe even next year.

All of this. I truly believe he could be the best QB prospect since Luck by the end of his college career. That's how much talent he's got, or at least I think he's got.

Interesting point about Zaire. Playing him at RB would be pretty lethal as he could always throw a pass or something.

 

[nsisk157]

Did Wilbon on PTI just say he still has Fournette as the Heisman favorite narrowly over KIZER!?!?!

I'm pretty sure I heard that right.

He is trying to put the malocchio on us!

Do not buy into it!

 

[Junkhead]

Zaire can replace Schmidt Seriously, I thought this season was a bust after Malik went down. It's been awesome watching Kizer prove himself. He is WAY better than any of us could've imagined.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

I'll be honest, I love Kizer way more than I thought I ever would. Good QB's seem to have a trait that the longer they hang in the pocket and make a decision, the more dangerous they become. The vast majority of the time that I see Kizer hang in the pocket, the more comfortable I feel with the decision he will make. Maybe this directly correlates with giving a dangerous QB more time to throw, but I guess that's kind of my point. I feel that Kizer is dangerous if given time, and thats a great feeling to have.

 

[dublinirish]

Move Zaire to running back/slot ala Braxton Miller

 

[Irish2155]

My apologies if this has already been mentioned but heard yesterday and just realized Kizer has three 4th quarter comebacks so far. Pretty darn good!!

Although it would have been nice if he could've pulled off that fourth comeback as well.

 

[yankeeND]

My apologies if this has already been mentioned but heard yesterday and just realized Kizer has three 4th quarter comebacks so far. Pretty darn good!!

Although it would have been nice if he could've pulled off that fourth comeback as well.

Yeah that would have been incredible. I don't really dwell on it, but he was only CRob catching that 2 pt conversion away from it happening. Considering all of the obstacles in that game I certainly will not hold it against him.