Mike Sanford Jr. To WKU

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I'd like to point out that in every post I've said 'he should be considered', not that he's already earned it and he should already be the guy next in line. I cannot guarantee he's going to be the offensive guru people (including bk), say he will be. I can't guarantee he's going to be an elite recruiter. But I can guarantee he's young, energetic, will understand nd by the time he'd be considered, and I'm sure as hell not saying 'nope, can't hc here. Doesn't have that experience' if he ends up checking all of the boxes I fully expect him to.
 
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And none of those coaches have the pressure that the very cream of the crop programs have. It takes the skills of those coaches and the ability to be diplomatic and work the media and boosters a la Coach BK and Mack Brown to succeed at the highest levels.

Truth be told, I'm not sure that I'd consider those four programs elite destinations, though they're certainly close.

It is not about whether your program is elite, or manufactures diamonds by shoving coal up overstressed coaches' asses; there is another factor that is instrumental and insurmountable. (The former, it must be affirmative for success; the latter, it being negative, will lead to failure every time no mater what other conditions are present.)

See the Terry Brennan story. He had everything it took to duplicate the success that Leahy had. AT 26 YEARS OF AGE! But he didn't have the commitment and support of the administration. Not really. His first season was good. Then his scholarships were repeatedly cut. At one point he was cut to between forty and fifty scholarship players, (from well over 120)! Guess what? It didn't work out.

Just like when Malloy took over, Holtz didn't work out!

The making of any coach with the prerequisite skills is in the hands of the entire administration and staff, and others. Especially those behind the scenes!

That's cool.

I just don't know if we know (or even if BK/ND know) how many boxes Sanford actually checks.

Great assistant? Duh, or else he wouldn't be where he is.

Great recruiter? That's up in the air. Depends not only on who he leads for, but also how those guys fit into the program. It will take a few years to make a call on that.

Great coordinator? Again, up in the air. People say that he calls the plays, but we don't know what that actually entails under BK.

Politician? Supervisor? Hiring Manager? Communications with Administration?

I think Sanford is awesome, but there are plenty of guys out there that are currently more proven commodities in terms of all of the above things.

Would I hate it if ND took a chance on a dude like Sanford when the time comes? Absolutely not. Would I understand if he had to go try his luck elsewhere in favor of a more proven guy being brought in? Absolutely.

With Sanford, little things like recruiting Ian Book will be telling. What will Ian do for the program? That is the kind of question to ask with Sanford. (PS. Winbush has constantly stated that Sanford stepped in and didn't miss a beat when Brandon and his mom were floored over LaFleur leaving.)

As far as Diaco versus Sanford : There is no comparison, Diaco was an inflexible, arrogant, pedantic tool by comparison. Sanford has some real people skills, good self discipline, genuine humility, and is able to interact in relationships with good personal boundaries. He appears to be scarily complete for a 32 year old!

Who is as good as Sanford that realistically would come to Notre Dame? We have talked about some assistants in the past "getting it, about ND." But look how fast they took off when advancement, or dollars, etc., sang their sirens song!

Maybe a good question at this point is : How long will Kelly remain at ND? Followed by : Was Sanford hired to groom for a head coaching position?

I think Kelly will be here three or four years, most probably. Without a long conversation, he will have everything he needs by then. His kids will be able to get into whatever college they want. He will be able to live wherever and do whatever he wants. I think that is his target.

Denbrock makes for interesting conversation as a head coach. But remember, he has had some serious health problems. And he has young kids. Now that ND takes care of its assistants, he may be best off sticking. He already has an associate head coach title. Having a guaranteed position until retirement without the awesome extra stress of making that last leap may appeal to him. He may stay right where he is at.

Which would be perfect for a young head coach.

BVG is also in a position where I think he stays at ND until he hangs up the whistle. He will start to produce insanely good defenses. It happens the end of his second season. Takes a while to get his players in place. (Think Tillery-esque.)

Two vet coordinators, perfect situation for a young coach!

But don't label me as all in on Sanford yet. I think he has some proving to do before he gets moved up the chain of command!
 
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BK is building something elite....let's just hope he finishes it off with a championship. And IF he gets one I think he'll want more, just my opinion. It is ND!!!

Sanford in the meantime is tutored by BK and ready to take the reigns...if he isn't hired as a HC by another team by then.
 

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It is not about whether your program is elite, or manufactures diamonds by shoving coal up overstressed coaches' asses; there is another factor that is instrumental and insurmountable. (The former must be affirmative for success; the latter will lead to failure every time no mater what other conditions are present.)

See the Terry Brennan story. He had everything it took to duplicate the success that Leahy had. AT 26 YEARS OF AGE! But he didn't have the commitment and support of the administration. Not really. His first season was good. Then his scholarships were repeatedly cut. At one point he was cut to between forty and fifty scholarship players, (from well over 120)! Guess what? It didn't work out.

Just like when Malloy took over, Holtz didn't work out!

The making of any coach with the prerequisite skills is in the hands of the entire administration and staff, and others. Especially those behind the scenes!



With Sanford, little things like recruiting Ian Book will be telling. What will Ian do for the program? That is the kind of question to ask with Sanford. (PS. Winbush has constantly stated that Sanford stepped in and didn't miss a beat when Brandon and his mom were floored over LaFleur leaving.)

As far as Diaco versus Sanford : There is no comparison, Diaco was an inflexible, arrogant, pedantic tool by comparison. Sanford has some real people skills, good self discipline, genuine humility, and is able to interact in relationships with good personal boundaries. He appears to be scarily complete for a 32 year old!

Who is as good as Sanford that realistically would come to Notre Dame. We have talked about some assistants in the past "getting it, about ND." But look how fast they took off when advancement, or dollars, etc., sang their sirens song!

Maybe a good question at this point is : How long will Kelly remain at ND? Followed by : Was Sanford hired to groom for a head coaching position?

I think Kelly will be here three or four years, most probably. Without a long conversation, he will have everything he needs by then. His kids will be able to get into whatever college they want. He will be able to live wherever and do whatever he wants. I think that is his target.

Denbrock makes for interesting conversation as a head coach. But remember, he has had some serious health problems. And he has young kids. Now that ND takes care of its assistants, he may be best off sticking. He already has an associate head coach title. Having a guaranteed position until retirement without the awesome extra stress of making that last leap may appeal to him. He may stay right where he is at.

Which would be perfect for a young head coach.

BVG is also in a position where I think he stays at ND until he hangs up the whistle. He will start to produce insanely good defenses. It happens the end of his second season. Takes a while to get his players in place. (Think Tillery-esque.)

Two vet coordinators, perfect situation for a young coach!

But don't label me as all in on Sanford yet. I think he has some proving to do before he gets moved up the chain of command!

Great quote and reps as small as they may be. That statement alone should shut some nuances down a bit..
 

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Has it been established that Sanford is calling plays this year? It's clear that Kelly isn't but I wasn't sure if it was Denbrock or Sanford.
 

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Has it been established that Sanford is calling plays this year? It's clear that Kelly isn't but I wasn't sure if it was Denbrock or Sanford.

Denbrock has been the main caller....demetris was even said he liked how he was calling plays for fuller and that they think he can be fullers replacement
 
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If were him, I'd be all over the UCF job. Turn that place around, and parlay it into a big time job in 3-5 years.

Are you kidding me? Most of the jobs open will have a hard time being filled at all. Who would want to walk in at Miami, Purdue, CF, Rutgers, Maryland, Colorado? Never mind Colorado will hire Tony Alford, this time.

But other than guys like Ed Warinner that are willing to trade their left nut for a head coaching position, or Tony, who sees a dumpster fire as a dream job, who that is a current head coach at a successful position would be willing to leave? I believe that includes successful assistants, and those being groomed or fast tracked for bigger and better things.

As far as current ND coaches, with what little I know of the agreements signed with this latest group, and the character of the individuals, I don't think there is one that would leave for anything open now except maybe USoCal and Va TECH, if it opens. And the only move for Haden and the dwarfs is to hire Clay, in my opinion.

You can't show me a job worth taking, except Va TECH that isn't probably spoken for and either some coach with a good HC resume, or a top assistant like Venables is going to snap that up!
 

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Are you kidding me? Most of the jobs open will have a hard time being filled at all. Who would want to walk in at Miami, Purdue, CF, Rutgers, Maryland, Colorado? Never mind Colorado will hire Tony Alford, this time.

But other than guys like Ed Warinner that are willing to trade their left nut for a head coaching position, or Tony, who sees a dumpster fire as a dream job, who that is a current head coach at a successful position would be willing to leave? I believe that includes successful assistants, and those being groomed or fast tracked for bigger and better things.

As far as current ND coaches, with what little I know of the agreements signed with this latest group, and the character of the individuals, I don't think there is one that would leave for anything open now except maybe USoCal and Va TECH, if it opens. And the only move for Haden and the dwarfs is to hire Clay, in my opinion.

You can't show me a job worth taking, except Va TECH that isn't probably spoken for and either some coach with a good HC resume, or a top assistant like Venables is going to snap that up!

You really think that UCF is a bad gig? They went to the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago, and should be an easy team to turn around and then hop to a Power 5 job. Also Alford went to Colorado St. not Colorado. Finally, Miami is a decent job. The ACC isn't a difficult conference and there is a ton of talent close by.
 
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You really think that UCF is a bad gig? They went to the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago, and should be an easy team to turn around and then hop to a Power 5 job. Also Alford went to Colorado St. not Colorado. Finally, Miami is a decent job. The ACC isn't a difficult conference and there is a ton of talent close by.

Miami got no money, no facilities, and nobody want to stay in the three counties that comprise the stadium and the campus. There is no support for football any longer. Why do you think Al failed? Another way to ask the question is if Al Golden failed miserably, who would it take to succeed?

I must have gotten Rocky Mountain High, and confused the buff's with the Rams, mostly because I am an ijit.

CF has taken a dump, and this has hurt Miami, too; because of the resurgence of UF, and FSU, along with the rise in USF, FAU, etc.

The good opening in the ACC this year will be A) VT, and B) Pittsburg if someone can lure Narduzzi away. Rumor has it that he is going to be offered beaucoup bucks by more than one suitor!
 

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Are you kidding me? Most of the jobs open will have a hard time being filled at all. Who would want to walk in at Miami, Purdue, CF, Rutgers, Maryland, Colorado? Never mind Colorado will hire Tony Alford, this time.

But other than guys like Ed Warinner that are willing to trade their left nut for a head coaching position, or Tony, who sees a dumpster fire as a dream job, who that is a current head coach at a successful position would be willing to leave? I believe that includes successful assistants, and those being groomed or fast tracked for bigger and better things.

As far as current ND coaches, with what little I know of the agreements signed with this latest group, and the character of the individuals, I don't think there is one that would leave for anything open now except maybe USoCal and Va TECH, if it opens. And the only move for Haden and the dwarfs is to hire Clay, in my opinion.

You can't show me a job worth taking, except Va TECH that isn't probably spoken for and either some coach with a good HC resume, or a top assistant like Venables is going to snap that up!

While agree, if you're a proven coach and you can pick your spot UCF probably isn't the place you want to go. Someone like Kirby Smart is probably will hold out for something better. Samford on the other hand should jump at the chance to go to a school like UCF rebuild it and make a name for yourself. Worst case he goes and fails, and he goes back to being an OC. He's young enough to get a second chance.
 

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The idea is to wait for a top tier lower level HC to snap up one of those gigs then you come in to a good spot at the lower level. Don't just take any open spot.
 

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I'm surprised the media is asking coaches like Charlie Strong if he's interested in the Miami job. Really? I mean, if Strong gets canned, sure, I could see him going to Miami. Maybe he's really tired of the Texas asshole boosters/big wigs and decides to take off, but I get the feeling he's not there yet.

Miami is a different program than they were 15 years ago. While they largely avoided the punishment they deserved over the Shapiro incident, they still received a small spanking and they have quickly found themselves in a position where they're not competing on the field. Their stadium is rarely completely full, they typically average only 2/3 to 3/4 of their total capacity. They've always had the south Florida recruiting going for them, but it hasn't exactly translated onto the field in the last decade or so. Texas has the money, has been relevant more recently, and despite their struggles they're still competitive against rivals like Oklahoma. Just seemed like a stupid question. It would almost be like media in Columbus asking Urban Meyer if he's interested in the Penn State job.
 

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Miami got no money, no facilities, and nobody want to stay in the three counties that comprise the stadium and the campus. There is no support for football any longer. Why do you think Al failed? Another way to ask the question is if Al Golden failed miserably, who would it take to succeed?

I must have gotten Rocky Mountain High, and confused the buff's with the Rams, mostly because I am an ijit.

CF has taken a dump, and this has hurt Miami, too; because of the resurgence of UF, and FSU, along with the rise in USF, FAU, etc.

The good opening in the ACC this year will be A) VT, and B) Pittsburg if someone can lure Narduzzi away. Rumor has it that he is going to be offered beaucoup bucks by more than one suitor!

Rise of USF? Come on bogs. UCF has more wins in tje last two years than USF has in the last four (not counting this season). UCF partly fell apart because O'Leary was trying to be coach and AD.

As to Miami's facilities that was true (and is till true about their stadium) but they have made some major upgrades recently. This article covers the changes which include new locker rooms, nee turf practice field, new training table and dining hall, academic area, hydrotherapy area, etc. All in the last 4 years or so. Their facilities aren't as bad as you think they are.
Miami hopes new facilities produce "wow" factor - Sun Sentinel

Sorry if choppy but I am on my phone.

ETA: What rise of FAU? Have you looked at their record? I can't believe that you think USF and FAU ate better jobs than UCF.
 
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Under the right coach (and the right administration), Miami could be a very good job. Loads of talent, NFL pipeline, history. And there's only two programs in the ACC that are really any good year-in year-out. No reason Miami couldn't win a whole bunch of football games.

But - and this is where things get tricky - they probably have to go all-in, by which I mean stop hiring squeaky-clean coaches to clean up their act, and just roll with what comes. Not advocating they go completely dirty - Not advocating anything, really. I couldn't care less about Miami - but if you look at when they've been good, it has been when they've at least flirted with that line.

This may or may not be worth it to them at this point. Kind of up to the university to decide what it wants out of football. But it's a route they could go that would quickly put an end to this silly talk of directional schools on the rise.
 

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As for Sanford, he'd seem a good candidate for one of the lower-level jobs out there. UCF or something. Or wait a year or two for the right low-level P5 job to open up.
Hard to see him being our next head coach though (unless Kelly sticks around a long time). Notre Dame's not for training wheels.
 

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I think Stanford would kill it at Notre Dame recruiting. Whenever Kelly does decide to leave I think Fitzgerald from NW would be the top guy but I think tony Alford would be a great hire as well.
 

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I think Stanford would kill it at Notre Dame recruiting. Whenever Kelly does decide to leave I think Fitzgerald from NW would be the top guy but I think tony Alford would be a great hire as well.

Lol. What. Fitzgerald or Alford? No offense, but that might be the most outrageous thing I have read today and I read Ed Reed out himself in the Miami coaching search.
 

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I think Stanford would kill it at Notre Dame recruiting. Whenever Kelly does decide to leave I think Fitzgerald from NW would be the top guy but I think tony Alford would be a great hire as well.

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I think Stanford would kill it at Notre Dame recruiting. Whenever Kelly does decide to leave I think Fitzgerald from NW would be the top guy but I think tony Alford would be a great hire as well.
Huh? Why not Martin at Miami of Ohio or Charlie Molnar?
 

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Huh? Why not Martin at Miami of Ohio or Charlie Molnar?


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Lol. What. Fitzgerald or Alford? No offense, but that might be the most outrageous thing I have read today and I read Ed Reed out himself in the Miami coaching search.

How would Fitzgerald be crazy? He has been brought up before? I'm sorry but I would take him over diaco, Skip holtz, Charlie M. I've heard David Shaw been brought up I don see that happening. No big time coach is going to want to come to ND when he has stipulations on what he can and can't do. Reason why we didn't get urban before. He wanted certain things and ND said no.
 
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