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Rhode Irish said:
I do think the first SB loss especially was disappointing because if the 18-0 thing and the Tyree play but I don't hold that against the Giants. That's sports.
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This is too perfect. A Pats fan not acknowledging anything before the year 2001, like the TWO Super Bowl losses that were before the "first" one against the Giants.
 
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IrishSteelhead said:
This is too perfect. A Pats fan not acknowledging anything before the year 2001, like the TWO Super Bowl losses that were before the "first" one against the Giants.
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It was pretty blatantly in reference to the Giants beating the Pats twice in the Super Bowl since he was responding to GKIrish.
 
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IrishSteelhead said:
This is too perfect. A Pats fan not acknowledging anything before the year 2001, like the TWO Super Bowl losses that were before the "first" one against the Giants.
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Hell man, I was at the damn Packer Super Bowl in New Orleans. My family has been season ticket holders since before I was born. It is obvious I was talking about the two Super Bowls against the Giants. Damn haters will grasp at anything!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash">#NFL</a> source to <a href="https://twitter.com/cc660">@cc660</a>: "No doubt" Tom Brady will serve a 4-game suspension this season. | <a href="http://t.co/DuOUzSvXP4">http://t.co/DuOUzSvXP4</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BoomerandCarton">@BoomerandCarton</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a></p>— WFAN Sports Radio (@WFAN660) <a href="https://twitter.com/WFAN660/status/647378060648554496">September 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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So ya, I care about the UMASS game more than this. But, for the record, this is why Pats fans were so annoyed at the NFL. You can correct false info when you want to but you let the 11/12 2+ PSI Mort Report go uncorrected (when the Patriots sent the league emails begging them to correct it!) to fill your narrative. I don't care if you think the Pats cheated (because quite clearly they're still amazing and Brady is a God and he's the best QB you've ever seen play and the Pats are the best dynasty you've ever seen so deal with it) but you're blind if you think the league didn't have it out for them from the start.
 
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That's the thing, I think the Pats amd Brady cheated. And I think the NFL has went about this all wrong with a hard on for them. I also think Brady may be the greatest QB of all time. And I'm a Pats hater. But the the argument gets going because so any claim there's been no cheating. Ever.
 
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The bottom line is that even if the Patriots toyed with the footballs, it's a dumb thing to care about because clearly there wasn't a competitive advantage to be gained. Basic intuition would tell you that, and Brady's numbers and performance since halftime of the AFC title game confirms it. So is breaking a rule always "cheating" even if it has no impact on the game? That is what bugs me. If the NFL said "hey, you're not supposed to mess with the footballs and we think you probably did - give us 25k" then none of this would have happened. It was needless.
 
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Rhode Irish said:
The bottom line is that even if the Patriots toyed with the footballs, it's a dumb thing to care about because clearly there wasn't a competitive advantage to be gained. Basic intuition would tell you that, and Brady's numbers and performance since halftime of the AFC title game confirms it. So is breaking a rule always "cheating" even if it has no impact on the game? That is what bugs me. If the NFL said "hey, you're not supposed to mess with the footballs and we think you probably did - give us 25k" then none of this would have happened. It was needless.
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Yessir. Since halftime of the Colts game Brady is 112/155 (72%) for 1,205 yards 13 TDs and 2 INTs. That's in 3.5 games. Between that and the fact that there are texts in the Wells Report that show the Pats guys annoyed about the balls being at 16 PSI in week 6 last year, it is laughable that people think they've been orchestrating a football deflation scheme with no proof. Oh well. Can't beat them (unless you're the Giants or Ravens), might as well moan and complain. Can't wait till they hang 50 on the Colts. I legitimately think they go 19-0....and I realize how stupid that sounds.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
That's the thing, I think the Pats amd Brady cheated. And I think the NFL has went about this all wrong with a hard on for them. I also think Brady may be the greatest QB of all time. And I'm a Pats hater. But the the argument gets going because so any claim there's been no cheating. Ever.
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It reminds me of the famous George Brett pine tar home run (against the rules but no real competitive advantage), except MLB didn't suspend him for 40 games and then lose in Federal Court.
 
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If they didn't see it as a competitive advantage they wouldn't have done it. They may not have gotten that advantage, but they wouldn't have done it without a reason.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
If they didn't see it as a competitive advantage they wouldn't have done it. They may not have gotten that advantage, but they wouldn't have done it without a reason.
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This is obviously wrong. Your theory is that nobody ever does anything in accordance with their preferences, but only in order to gain an unfair advantage? That doesn't sound like the world that I live in. I think the performance before and after prove that there was no actual advantage.
 
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Rhode Irish said:
This is obviously wrong. Your theory is that nobody ever does anything in accordance with their preferences, but only in order to gain an unfair advantage? That doesn't sound like the world that I live in. I think the performance before and after prove that there was no actual advantage.
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No my theory is they knew it wasn't legal. Which means to intentionally do something that isn't legal they has to be intent. Otherwise, there would be no reason to do it.
 
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Of course there was intent (if they actually did anything, which I don't think is supported by the science). Intent to make the balls more comfortable, not to gain some unfair advantage. If you go 75 in a 65, you are intending to break the law but you aren't trying to get an unfair advantage on all the other drivers - you'd just rather go 75 and you don't think you're doing anything that anyone really cares about.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
I'm sure the balls were altered.
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Not sure if trolling, but here ya go:

The story doesn’t contain much more detail than that. It also fails to address the fact that kicking balls are handled far differently than other balls.

Back in 1999, the NFL took the kicking balls out of the hands of the teams. Current rules require the referee to open six brand-new footballs before every game, marking them as kicking balls. Those balls are used separately and apart from the balls used by each team’s offense.
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Report: Ravens had concerns about kicking balls at New England | ProFootballTalk

Maybe he's just a good kicker....he's the highest paid one in NFL history and is 77/82 on field goals over the last 2+ seasons.
 
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irishfan said:
I see the spread is 7.5. Which seems absurd. I'll be shocked and honestly disappointed if they don't win by 20+.
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That is absurd. I don't bet on NFL games often, but I am getting in on that. That's free money.

Colts' 3 wins have came against crappy teams and narrow margins- won by 2 against Tennessee, 3 against Jacksonville, and 7 against Texans. Those are 3 of the worst teams in the league.

Other two teams they played that were actually any good they got hammered both games by 13 points.

Patriots are the vastly superior team which means they'll win by 2 TD's at least, throw in the domination factor- believe the last 4 games in this series Pats have won by an average of 28 pts- and then throw ontop of that the Deflate Gate revenge tour - yeah Indy will be lucky to stay within 21 points. Will be very ugly for them.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
So......should I start Brady this week or bench him for Dalton?
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is this a serious question?

There is no way Andy Dalton is going to keep this level of play up. Blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. That's all that's happening here. He is literally the redheaded step child of NFL QB's, he'll shit the bed sooner or later.
 
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is this a serious question?

There is no way Andy Dalton is going to keep this level of play up. Blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. That's all that's happening here. He is literally the redheaded step child of NFL QB's, he'll shit the bed sooner or later.
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Actually it is a joke. But as far as Dalton falling to mediocrity, I don't see that happening this year. Assuming his help stays healthy of course.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
Actually it is a joke. But as far as Dalton falling to mediocrity, I don't see that happening this year. Assuming his help stays healthy of course.
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that's what they've been saying about Dalton for like 3 years now.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Bengals roster is locked, stocked, and loaded and the Steelers are without Big Ben and the Ravens have taken a free fall into mediocrity. If Dalton can't get them to the AFC Chip game this year, Bengals need to just look for a new QB.
 
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