Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[kmoose]

Malik's fucking level is one that is slightly higher than Kizer's at the moment

Actually, at the moment, Malik's level is far below Kizer's. My 5 year old neice could outrun Zaire, at the moment.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Seeing Saban's name even mentioned in this thread makes me laugh.

Great timing that the OTL piece just came out about Alabama being informed of Jonathan Taylor's sexual assault allegations (pictures, the reports, etc) before Saban decided to give him a 'second chance'. This kind of transfer-in would just never happen at ND.

Someone like Saban, who is a great college football coach, could never duplicate his Bama success at ND. Paraphrasing the words of the guy this thread is about "Saban shops in a different store"

This^!

Urban and Nick had a shot at the ND coaching gig. Nick new better than to even engage; Urban the dickbag, worked to negotiate his own standards over ND's. The truth is, before hiring Weis, Urbie held his signature from a completed, agreed upon contract to have his way with marginal players, you know, like the Aaron Hernandez's of the world, but ND refused so he walked, (into the job in Fla.) All that about his wife wanting a warmer weather coaching gig was bull crap!

So, I don't see Kelly doing that kind of thing. As far as anyone that could be argued as a better choice? They would do it in a heartbeat. No thanks!

This is our highest rank in the AP poll at this point in our season for a long long time.

In fact, ESPN has records back to 2002.

This is our highest spot since then.

Injuries have been a setback, and honestly that's the only thing we have to be disappointed about at this point in the season.

Johnny's proud fact of the day is really important in this conversation, Reps Sir! Didn't someone want to see a demonstration of building success?

 

[ThePiombino]

Actually, at the moment, Malik's level is far below Kizer's. My 5 year old neice could outrun Zaire, at the moment.

That's awesome

 

[irishfan]

Nay sir. I've been on his bandwagon since he was hired.

I don't think ND can get any better head coach then BK at this stage. Sure, he's had some bad decision making but they all have them. He's also had some horrible luck with injuries, just like all the other coaches. Not his fault that 5 players cheated at school and got caught. Not his fault Greg Bryant didn't do his homework. Not his fault Eddie Vanderdoes bitches and cries after signing day. Not his fault Blake Barnett used ND to catapult himself to the SEC. Not his fault Gunner Kiel couldn't deal with a QB competition. Not his fault Everett Golson couldn't figure out how to take care of the football. Not his fault Tee Shepard did't go to class. Not his fault Deontay Greenberry bolted at the last possible second.

The recruit pool he has to deal with is a lot smaller then what Alabama and Ohio State have to deal with. BK's strength has always been in player development and I think its showing this season especially. ND has had some ups but a lot of downs the last 20 years so what he's had to rebuild hasn't been easy.

If BK is to be replaced, name someone who is better then him and would come here. Remember, Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer had the chance and said no.

I'm on the bandwagon as well, but it's natural to have questions about BK. He's a great coach, but he's not perfect by any means. (this post isn't a shot at you also, but rather a collection of BK thoughts)

Special Teams have been neglected since he's been here. We let up a fake FG to MSU in 2010 which has made us go safe on FG blocks since then. Our "Desperado" group in 2012 was evident there when we should have been called for a penalty for having two #2 jerseys on the field. We gave up a terrible fake punt to Cuse in 2014 and went to the safe return for the rest of the year. This was after year of fair-catches back there. We're Notre Dame. We have better athletes than 90% of the teams we play. And BK has been content with losing the Special Teams battle every week to avoid a fake kick.

We telegraph plays based on formation on offense. This has been an issue for a while. We've had run blocking WRs come in (Smith/Onwualua in 2013) which gave away the play call. The Kizer run on 4th and 2 against Virginia was painfully obvious since we had only come out in that formation on QB run plays. Hell, watch when we stack a TE in front of a WR out wide. When Luatua is lined up outside with a WR behind him, it's a WR screen. Saw it multiple times against GT and it's something we've done for years. We had times even in 2012 when Eifert split out wide would line up with his feet even and not in a WR stance and it was always a quick screen or a run. He would literally line up to block and not to run a route. I only played football through high school, and there are times when I can call out our play ahead of time. That's stupid and frustrating.

We run a system on offense and defense that is seemingly too complicated for a young player to grasp. We've had countless young players come in and be unable to crack the rotation when you see true frosh all over the country playing on other teams.

BK also seems like he often does not have a backup plan. Schmidt got hurt last season and Morgan came in and we called the same defense the entire game against Navy (which BK admitted) since we somehow had no one else to run the defense. That is unacceptable. How the hell does the entire 2014 defense rest on Schmidt staying healthy?

BK is clearly a very good coach, but he has his faults. There are certainly reasons to question him and wonder if we could get someone better. Personally, I am a big BK fan and think he improves every season. There is 100% nothing wrong with questioning him and wondering if he'll every win a Championship though.

 

[PANDFAN]

I'm on the bandwagon as well, but it's natural to have questions about BK. He's a great coach, but he's not perfect by any means. (this post isn't a shot at you also, but rather a collection of BK thoughts)

Special Teams have been neglected since he's been here. We let up a fake FG to MSU in 2010 which has made us go safe on FG blocks since then. Our "Desperado" group in 2012 was evident there when we should have been called for a penalty for having two #2 jerseys on the field. We gave up a terrible fake punt to Cuse in 2014 and went to the safe return for the rest of the year. This was after year of fair-catches back there. We're Notre Dame. We have better athletes than 90% of the teams we play. And BK has been content with losing the Special Teams battle every week to avoid a fake kick.

We telegraph plays based on formation on offense. This has been an issue for a while. We've had run blocking WRs come in (Smith/Onwualua in 2013) which gave away the play call. The Kizer run on 4th and 2 against Virginia was painfully obvious since we had only come out in that formation on QB run plays. Hell, watch when we stack a TE in front of a WR out wide. When Luatua is lined up outside with a WR behind him, it's a WR screen. Saw it multiple times against GT and it's something we've done for years. We had times even in 2012 when Eifert split out wide would line up with his feet even and not in a WR stance and it was always a quick screen or a run. He would literally line up to block and not to run a route. I only played football through high school, and there are times when I can call out our play ahead of time. That's stupid and frustrating.

We run a system on offense and defense that is seemingly too complicated for a young player to grasp. We've had countless young players come in and be unable to crack the rotation when you see true frosh all over the country playing on other teams.

BK also seems like he often does not have a backup plan. Schmidt got hurt last season and Morgan came in and we called the same defense the entire game against Navy (which BK admitted) since we somehow had no one else to run the defense. That is unacceptable. How the hell does the entire 2014 defense rest on Schmidt staying healthy?

BK is clearly a very good coach, but he has his faults. There are certainly reasons to question him and wonder if we could get someone better. Personally, I am a big BK fan and think he improves every season. There is 100% nothing wrong with questioning him and wondering if he'll every win a Championship though.

unless i am forgetting about another fake in the game....james o blew the play up as he didn't fall for the fake and they turned it over on downs

 

[JughedJones]

unless i am forgetting about another fake in the game....james o blew the play up as he didn't fall for the fake and they turned it over on downs

Pandfan... you're the reason I can't look at IE at work.

Apparently, it's inappropriate.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm on my phone and don't feel like going through quoting a small portion of Irishfan's post, but in regards to us going "safe" on FG blocks... Didn't we have one of the best FG blocking numbers in the NCAA last year? I remember seeing that we were near the top spot for FGs blocked last year.

 

[JughedJones]

I'm on my phone and don't feel like going through quoting a small portion of Irishfan's post, but in regards to us going "safe" on FG blocks... Didn't we have one of the best FG blocking numbers in the NCAA last year? I remember seeing that we were near the top spot for FGs blocked last year.

I just read a really good article about being 'safe' on special teams. It was right after the UCONN/MIZZOU game ironically.. (or not..)

The gist of the article said that math was on BK's side. You should always call for a fair catch, never try for a big return. You should always drop back on coverage, (never try and block.) Always be safe and keep the ball on special teams.

That's what the math says.


I just thought of something. (I'm sure I'm just slow.)


If the math says averages fall on smart football players making the smart moves, why bet on that?

If we look back on the last teams that won NCs, they were very well coached. Do we really think that
Saban, Meyer, et al., were playing averages?

I don't think so. They were gambling with the talent they recruited. If ND has an Achilles Heal, it's
BK being too smart. Maybe he needs to let his guys get pissed... like they clearly were against GT.

That was anger and precision. That was all year of getting ready. It was beautiful.
It might have been the best football I've ever seen. We are talented, but at this point
leadership is spread around. BK and the staff helped them play like a unit. It looked like
they loved each other. It was awesome.

Our coaching staff is A #1. If we beat Clemson, it will be a monumental task.

We'll be rolling. I can't fucking wait.

 

[mtnd15]

Punts? - ya we never block those (save Utah I know)

FG's? Last year Jarron blocked a couple and I think Day had one too. But everyone rushes on a FG.

 

[koonja]

Jughed is bringing the juice!

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm on my phone and don't feel like going through quoting a small portion of Irishfan's post, but in regards to us going "safe" on FG blocks... Didn't we have one of the best FG blocking numbers in the NCAA last year? I remember seeing that we were near the top spot for FGs blocked last year.

I remember Jones having a number of blocks.

 

[JughedJones]

I remember Jones having a number of blocks.

+1

 

[JughedJones]

Punts? - ya we never block those (save Utah I know)

FG's? Last year Jarron blocked a couple and I think Day had one too. But everyone rushes on a FG.

That's different.

When you post up for a extra point or fieldgoal, you're 95% all in. They might fake, but almost certainly not.

Punts are average plays.

 

[greyhammer90]

I just read a really good article about being 'safe' on special teams. It was right after the UCONN/MIZZOU game ironically.. (or not..)

The gist of the article said that math was on BK's side. You should always call for a fair catch, never try for a big return. You should always drop back on coverage, (never try and block.) Always be safe and keep the ball on special teams.

That's what the math says.


I just thought of something. (I'm sure I'm just slow.)


If the math says averages fall on smart football players making the smart moves, why bet on that?

If we look back on the last teams that won NCs, they were very well coached. Do we really think that
Saban, Meyer, et al., were playing averages?

I don't think so. They were gambling with the talent they recruited. If ND has an Achilles Heal, it's
BK being too smart. Maybe he needs to let his guys get pissed... like they clearly were against GT.

That was anger and precision. That was all year of getting ready. It was beautiful.
It might have been the best football I've ever seen. We are talented, but at this point
leadership is spread around. BK and the staff helped them play like a unit. It looked like
they loved each other. It was awesome.

Our coaching staff is A #1. If we beat Clemson, it will be a monumental task.

We'll be rolling. I can't fucking wait.

I admit that I've started charting the remaining season and there's a lot to get excited about. If we can get through the 3 game rough patch of Clemson, Navy, USC, which looks hard but very possible, we'd likely be favored in every game remaining. If this team can just play to their damn potential we could still be in the conversation come November.

 

[JughedJones]

I admit that I've started charting the remaining season and there's a lot to get excited about. If we can get through the 3 game rough patch of Clemson, Navy, USC, which looks hard but very possible, we'd likely be favored in every game remaining. If this team can just play to their damn potential we could still be in the conversation come November.

If we get to USC undefeated.... I might not have a girlfriend or a job anymore.


I might lose my fucking mind.

 

[koonja]

Odds are against it, but if BK can take this team to the national championship game, it'll be, to me, wayyyy more impressive than what Urban did last year. We've lost way more than they did, and their QB stable was loaded with vets.

 

[greyhammer90]

All in all I'm on board with Kelly unless we have a complete and epic meltdown this year. We've played 3 power 5 teams with 5(?) season ending injuries to expected major contributors and we've beaten those teams 102-52 through 180 minutes of football. (102-37 through 179 minutes.)

That's kicking ass no way around it.

 

[JughedJones]

BK and his staff should have all of our unending props.

Period.


BK has made magic out of nothing over and over. Right in front of our eyes.

Come on.

 

[ThePiombino]

Odds are against it, but if BK can take this team to the national championship game, it'll be, to me, wayyyy more impressive than what Urban did last year. We've lost way more than they did, and their QB stable was loaded with vets.

How was their QB stable loaded with vets? Jones and Barrett had a combined two pass attempts coming into the season.

 

[gkIrish]

BK and his staff should have all of our unending props.

Period.


BK has made magic out of nothing over and over. Right in front of our eyes.

Come on.

What was so magical about going 1-5 and struggling against Navy to end the regular season last year? I feel like people have very short memories when it comes to college football. Ohio St. has struggled a bit and somehow people forget they won the natty last year. ND beats a top 20 opponent and somehow the 9 combined losses the last two years are distant memories.

 

[D-BOE34]

Odds are against it, but if BK can take this team to the national championship game, it'll be, to me, wayyyy more impressive than what Urban did last year. We've lost way more than they did, and their QB stable was loaded with vets.

I agree with bolded but my thinking is, in order to match the 2 resumes, we would need to win the NC. If we do that, I won't be caring if we made a better run that tOSU. I'll just be so damn happy we won!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Jughed is bringing the juice!

He's on fire lately.

And I love it

 

[JughedJones]

What was so magical about going 1-5 and struggling against Navy to end the regular season last year? I feel like people have very short memories when it comes to college football. Ohio St. has struggled a bit and somehow people forget they won the natty last year. ND beats a top 20 opponent and somehow the 9 combined losses the last two years are distant memories.

What's so magical about Tommy Reese? Seriously?

What's so magical about his decisions with quarterbacks that don't know nothin from nothin? Malik LSU, Deshone, GT.... Tommy his whole damn 2012 career? EG When he didn't know nothin???


You crazy, son. *BK has been throwing magic since he started.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agree with R Neuheisel. Brian Kelly is the national coach of the year at the quarter poll.</p>— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/645983095460466689">September 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[koonja]

Probably won't happen, but if he wins 2 coach of the years within 5 years, I'm personally never letting myself entertain the thought of wishing for a change of coach.

 

[Irish Insanity]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agree with R Neuheisel. Brian Kelly is the national coach of the year at the quarter poll.</p>— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/645983095460466689">September 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Well questioning of him sure makes me look stupid.

At the moment.

 

[woolybug25]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agree with R Neuheisel. Brian Kelly is the national coach of the year at the quarter poll.</p>— Dennis Dodd (@dennisdoddcbs) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/645983095460466689">September 21, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If we make the playoffs, we would have done so with an insane amount of injuries/transfer. Most teams that have completely crumbled if they lost: QB1, QB2, RB1, RB2, DT1, TE1, Nickel1, Safety2

We still have people questioning his development ability after that. We're a tough crowd.

 

[ACamp1900]

Long ass way to go before playoff talk is really justified imo... especially with our injuries.

 

[irishff1014]

If we make the playoffs, we would have done so with an insane amount of injuries/transfer. Most teams that have completely crumbled if they lost: QB1, QB2, RB1, RB2, DT1, TE1, Nickel1, Safety2

We still have people questioning his development ability after that. We're a tough crowd.

But it also shows the good job that the staff has done building depth.

 

[irishfan]

Long ass way to go before playoff talk is really justified imo... especially with our injuries.

Agreed. However if we can get to our bye at 6-1 with a close loss then I think we can realistically be in playoff-or-bust mode.