Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[ickythump1225]

And we're 1 for 2 in doing that.

ETA: I don't think we're making the playoff, by any means. I just don't understand calling for heads to roll the week after our defense finally seemed to "get it" against Texas.

Well the defense "got it" for the first 5 weeks of the season last year too. That didn't end up mattering much in the grand scheme of things. It's concerning to see the issues plaguing us from year to year.

 

[Redbar]

I fully agree here. The toughest head coaching position in the county is ND.

Clay Middle is no picnic either.

 

[Bluto]

We don't know what they "got". I don't put to much stock in first games. Not enough tape on some teams plus the whole off-season to game plan. Plus we don't know how bad Texas is. That being said, UVA looked like they found everything that worked against BVG last year and used all of it. I swear I was watching Fsu and UNCs game plans yesterday.

I am not calling for heads. I just am not supporting BK any more because nothing has changed even with all the talent we supposedly have. BVG can get to stepping though. We are gonna lose so many games because he insists on being cute instead of putting our guys in positions to succeed.

Those last 2 sentences 100%. ND has the beef/talent to just line up and smash an offense like Virginia. At this point playing most of the remaining teams straight up with our d and sticking a safety 30 yards off the ball to prevent getting burnt deep seems like a good idea.

 

[gkIrish]

Did you watch Florida State last year? Heck, did you watch them yesterday?

I watched them go 24-0 last two regular seasons and win by 20 against a team with comparable talent to Virginia last week. They also lost a ton of talent across the board while we have what should be our best team in the Brian Kelly era. But they still didn't need a 40 yard pass in the last few seconds to beat a shit team.

Auburn is almost in the exact same position as Notre Dame actually. They went 8-5 last year and struggled out of the game with JACKSONVILLE STATE. Come on man.



Florida State just last year played seven games within one touchdown, including games against Miami (4), Boston College (3), Florida (5), and Oklahoma State (6).

Ohio State last year opened with Navy and was losing in the third quarter. I was there, they looked like shit. Then they went and Virginia Tech the next week and remember that overtime victory over Penn State?

Alabama and Oregon have been on some of the most impressive runs in history, so I'm not touching that. But I don't need to do that to prove my point: winning football games is hard, even against inferior opponents.



They are ranked teams scraping by, or losing, to unranked teams. Next week it'll be the same story for other teams. It's football.

So you gave me two examples of Ohio St. struggling against Navy and Penn St. They've also won 12, 12, and 11 regular season games or something like that so struggling twice is completely irrelevant. Florida St. has also won 12 and 12 games the last two seasons. Why, in comparison to ND (who has lost 9 games in the same time period), is that even a fair comparison. Miami, Florida, and Oklahoma St. always have tons of talent. The Virginias and Northwesterns of the world do not.

I would say though that the Toledos and BGs of the world are always capable of taking down a good power 5 on a good day. Ark and Jack St are inferior programs but have been near or at the top of their divisions and are not the typical junk FCS programs. BYU is BYU and can give anyone a handful.

But to your point, they are not our peers. Neither is Virginia which we would have lost to yesterday had it not been for Luck of the Irish in the last 15 seconds. Sometimes I don't know who our real peers are. I know who I'd like them to be.

That's the problem! WE NEED TO BE THEIR PEERS. It makes me sick to my stomach that Boise St. is our peer. It makes me sick that Clemson is consistently better than us. I want to be Ohio St. BK won't get us there so let's try someone else.

 

[kmoose]

I actually feel good about Kizer, although missing the running QB will hurt on 3rd downs.

It would have been SO nice to have had the running QB out there, on the 4th and 2 in the 4th Quarter........ huh? Seriously? Oh.....never mind

 

[gkIrish]

Since you guys want to talk about Auburn let's do it.

2013:

Lost @ #6 LSU

Beat Wazzu, Miss. St., Ole Miss #7 A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, #1 Alabama, #5 Missouri, and lost in the last minute to Florida St. in the championship game.

Blew out every bad team they played.

2014:

Lost @#3 Mississippi St., by 3 to Texas A&M, @ Georgia and by 11 to #1 Alabama.

Beat #20 KState, #15 LSU by almost 40, South Carolina, #4 Ole Miss and blew out every other team they beat.

So tell me how a team with those two seasons all of a sudden saves Brian Kelly because they struggled once to beat an FCS team.

Give me a fucking break. When Auburn loses to Northwestern at home or Navy by like 40 let me know.

 

[Cackalacky]

Those last 2 sentences 100%. ND has the beef/talent to just line up and smash an offense like Virginia. At this point playing most of the remaining teams straight up with our d and sticking a safety 30 yards off the ball to prevent getting burnt deep seems like a good idea.

No! We absolute need Rochelle covering the skinny post. We must have Okwara playing man on a jet sweep to the field. We must keep our CBs man to man and.rush only 2 LBs.

 

[Cackalacky]

Since you guys want to talk about Auburn let's do it.

2013:

Lost @ #6 LSU

Beat Wazzu, Miss. St., Ole Miss #7 A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, #1 Alabama, #5 Missouri, and lost in the last minute to Florida St. in the championship game.

Blew out every bad team they played.

2014:

Lost @#3 Mississippi St., by 3 to Texas A&M, @ Georgia and by 11 to #1 Alabama.

Beat #20 KState, #15 LSU by almost 40, South Carolina, #4 Ole Miss and blew out every other team they beat.

So tell me how a team with those two seasons all of a sudden saves Brian Kelly because they struggled once to beat an FCS team.

Give me a fucking break. When Auburn loses to Northwestern at home or Navy by like 40 let me know.

Had Auburn lost yesterday, Malzahn's house would have been taken over by the town and he would have been sleeping in the Gym like Revenge of the Nerds.

 

[Bluto]

No! We absolute need Rochelle covering the skinny post. We must have Okwara playing man on a jet sweep to the field. We must keep our CBs man to man and.rush only 2 LBs.

So we need to "turn the room upside down"?

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm no expert, but keep it simple stupid. Both BVG and BK need embrace KISS until they either get their QB up to speed, or BVG gets the talent (rush DEs for the most part) to make his scheme work.

 

[anarin]

Fucking embarrassing reading this thread. I mean wow...

I seriously thought I was at another site for a minute.

 

[irishfan]

He's not perfect, but he's improved every season IMO and we're not going to get anyone better. No coach is going to want to come here if we fire a guy like BK given the absolute shit luck he has had with injuries, suspensions, and odd off-the-field situations....not to mention the fact that this is Notre Dame so the Head Coach here is dealing with a bunch of built-in distractions to begin with.

One of my main issues is that the playcalling can be predictable at times. Against Virginia, we showed the same designed QB-run look over and over again. We went with an empty set with the TE lined up off the line of scrimmage and pretty much right behind the Tackle. This was the play call on Kizer's 4th and 2 run, and you could tell what the play was before the snap. Was reminiscent of the pistol runs we would have in 2013 with Onwualu and Daniel Smith coming into the game just to block.

 

[Junkhead]

This thread comes earlier and earlier each year.

I gave up on Kelly while waiting in the concession line at the Blue/Gold Game this year.

 

[Irish#1]

He's not perfect, but he's improved every season IMO and we're not going to get anyone better. No coach is going to want to come here if we fire a guy like BK given the absolute shit luck he has had with injuries, suspensions, and odd off-the-field situations....not to mention the fact that this is Notre Dame so the Head Coach here is dealing with a bunch of built-in distractions to begin with.

One of my main issues is that the playcalling can be predictable at times. Against Virginia, we showed the same designed QB-run look over and over again. We went with an empty set with the TE lined up off the line of scrimmage and pretty much right behind the Tackle. This was the play call on Kizer's 4th and 2 run, and you could tell what the play was before the snap. Was reminiscent of the pistol runs we would have in 2013 with Onwualu and Daniel Smith coming into the game just to block.

Solid points. BK has his faults, but overall, I think he's done a good job.

 

[phillyirish]

Oh you guys forget the old days. I am an old man with long years behind me, approaching my 23rd birthday I've developed a new perspective in life. You people forget the dark time of days past when any time we faced a ranked team we were viciously hammered in the @ss. It got so bad that the hopelessness of a win against a quality team was perpetual to the point that during Brian Kelly's first year we rushed the field in a win over #14 Utah. Against number f*cking 14. Against the Univeristy of f*cking Utah.


It was a time where USC treated us like we treated Navy, and Navy treated us like we were Army. Totally collapsing in the 4th quarter and being shutout was a common occurrence, including being shut out by a team like Boston College or an epic 14 point collapse to at the time a 2-8, coach-less Syracuse team.

Maybe things aren't perfect, but at least Brian Kelly's team has fight in them, at least we have hope. When was the last time we went into a game with the mindset that we had no shot to win? Actually the last time, and maybe only time was probably last years bowl game against LSU, and we f*cking won. Brian Kelly is 3-2 against USC, a winning record after over a decade of humiliation. And you know what? He''ll be 4-2 come October 17.

None of this b*tching matters though, cause were gonna shut down techs run game next week and most of you with your extremely volatile opinions will have the same mindset you had after week one saying things like "On a scale from 1 to GANGSTA, last night was Al Capone", or comparing Kizer after his first start to Joe Monatana like one poster did with Zaire after texas (I sh*t you not someone did it, look it up), or create some awesome puns like #Keizman, Kizer Soze, or my personal favorite "Kizer Winning II Emperor of the Fighting Irish, The Guardian of the Two Lakes, and Master of Karate". Then there undoubtedly will be that one @sshole who doesn't realize how easy it is to pun his last, name, and will cryptically try and force it with his first name like "he just Deshone'd them how its done!!! Am I right??? Am i RIght????"

 

[rocket66]

Oh you guys forget the old days. I am an old man with long years behind me, approaching my 23rd birthday I've developed a new perspective in life. You people forget the dark time of days past when any time we faced a ranked team we were viciously hammered in the @ss. It got so bad that the hopelessness of a win against a quality team was perpetual to the point that during Brian Kelly's first year we rushed the field in a win over #14 Utah. Against number f*cking 14. Against the Univeristy of f*cking Utah.





It was a time where USC treated us like we treated Navy, and Navy treated us like we were Army. Totally collapsing in the 4th quarter and being shutout was a common occurrence, including being shut out by a team like Boston College or an epic 14 point collapse to at the time a 2-8, coach-less Syracuse team.



Maybe things aren't perfect, but at least Brian Kelly's team has fight in them, at least we have hope. When was the last time we went into a game with the mindset that we had no shot to win? Actually the last time, and maybe only time was probably last years bowl game against LSU, and we f*cking won. Brian Kelly is 3-2 against USC, a winning record after over a decade of humiliation. And you know what? He''ll be 4-2 come October 17.



None of this b*tching matters though, cause were gonna shut down techs run game next week and most of you with your extremely volatile opinions will have the same mindset you had after week one saying things like "On a scale from 1 to GANGSTA, last night was Al Capone", or comparing Kizer after his first start to Joe Monatana like one poster did with Zaire after texas (I sh*t you not someone did it, look it up), or create some awesome puns like #Keizman, Kizer Soze, or my personal favorite "Kizer Winning II Emperor of the Fighting Irish, The Guardian of the Two Lakes, and Master of Karate". Then there undoubtedly will be that one @sshole who doesn't realize how easy it is to pun his last, name, and will cryptically try and force it with his first name like "he just Deshone'd them how its done!!! Am I right??? Am i RIght????"

Hahaha. Great post.


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[Tejas]

Oh you guys forget the old days. I am an old man with long years behind me, approaching my 23rd birthday I've developed a new perspective in life. You people forget the dark time of days past when any time we faced a ranked team we were viciously hammered in the @ss. It got so bad that the hopelessness of a win against a quality team was perpetual to the point that during Brian Kelly's first year we rushed the field in a win over #14 Utah. Against number f*cking 14. Against the Univeristy of f*cking Utah.


It was a time where USC treated us like we treated Navy, and Navy treated us like we were Army. Totally collapsing in the 4th quarter and being shutout was a common occurrence, including being shut out by a team like Boston College or an epic 14 point collapse to at the time a 2-8, coach-less Syracuse team.

Maybe things aren't perfect, but at least Brian Kelly's team has fight in them, at least we have hope. When was the last time we went into a game with the mindset that we had no shot to win? Actually the last time, and maybe only time was probably last years bowl game against LSU, and we f*cking won. Brian Kelly is 3-2 against USC, a winning record after over a decade of humiliation. And you know what? He''ll be 4-2 come October 17.

None of this b*tching matters though, cause were gonna shut down techs run game next week and most of you with your extremely volatile opinions will have the same mindset you had after week one saying things like "On a scale from 1 to GANGSTA, last night was Al Capone", or comparing Kizer after his first start to Joe Monatana like one poster did with Zaire after texas (I sh*t you not someone did it, look it up), or create some awesome puns like #Keizman, Kizer Soze, or my personal favorite "Kizer Winning II Emperor of the Fighting Irish, The Guardian of the Two Lakes, and Master of Karate". Then there undoubtedly will be that one @sshole who doesn't realize how easy it is to pun his last, name, and will cryptically try and force it with his first name like "he just Deshone'd them how its done!!! Am I right??? Am i RIght????"

When Notre Dame and Tech meat....Kiser rolls

Am I right?

 

[irishtrain]

We don't know what they "got". I don't put to much stock in first games. Not enough tape on some teams plus the whole off-season to game plan. Plus we don't know how bad Texas is. That being said, UVA looked like they found everything that worked against BVG last year and used all of it. I swear I was watching Fsu and UNCs game plans yesterday.

I am not calling for heads. I just am not supporting BK any more because nothing has changed even with all the talent we supposedly have. BVG can get to stepping though. We are gonna lose so many games because he insists on being cute instead of putting our guys in positions to succeed.

I am concerned about the defense. That was an opportunity to step up and settle the matter on defense as your offense has a mediocre day---they did not. I keep hearing from so called 'football experts' his defense is complicated. Bull%^$#. Its just an excuse for poor play.

 

[ThePiombino]

When Notre Dame and Tech meat....Kiser rolls

Am I right?

Fair enough, but in order of this to be truly punny, you need to at least spell his name correctly.

 

[DCirishfan]

Bk is a good coach. He is not great. Our "standards" are creating glass ceiling for the program. I want paul Johnson.

 

[kmoose]

Oh you guys forget the old days. I am an old man with long years behind me, approaching my 23rd birthday I've developed a new perspective in life. You people forget the dark time of days past when any time we faced a ranked team we were viciously hammered in the @ss. It got so bad that the hopelessness of a win against a quality team was perpetual to the point that during Brian Kelly's first year we rushed the field in a win over #14 Utah. Against number f*cking 14. Against the Univeristy of f*cking Utah.

It was a time where USC treated us like we treated Navy, and Navy treated us like we were Army. Totally collapsing in the 4th quarter and being shutout was a common occurrence, including being shut out by a team like Boston College or an epic 14 point collapse to at the time a 2-8, coach-less Syracuse team.

Maybe things aren't perfect, but at least Brian Kelly's team has fight in them, at least we have hope. When was the last time we went into a game with the mindset that we had no shot to win? Actually the last time, and maybe only time was probably last years bowl game against LSU, and we f*cking won. Brian Kelly is 3-2 against USC, a winning record after over a decade of humiliation. And you know what? He''ll be 4-2 come October 17.

None of this b*tching matters though, cause were gonna shut down techs run game next week and most of you with your extremely volatile opinions will have the same mindset you had after week one saying things like "On a scale from 1 to GANGSTA, last night was Al Capone", or comparing Kizer after his first start to Joe Monatana like one poster did with Zaire after texas (I sh*t you not someone did it, look it up), or create some awesome puns like #Keizman, Kizer Soze, or my personal favorite "Kizer Winning II Emperor of the Fighting Irish, The Guardian of the Two Lakes, and Master of Karate". Then there undoubtedly will be that one @sshole who doesn't realize how easy it is to pun his last, name, and will cryptically try and force it with his first name like "he just Deshone'd them how its done!!! Am I right??? Am i RIght????"

LOL.......

And, Jesus Christo, did someone take a big ole p!ss in your Wheaties, or what?

 

[Blaise]

Bk is a good coach. He is not great. Our "standards" are creating glass ceiling for the program. I want paul Johnson.

Paul Johnson? Before last season they were ready to fire him.. I have no interest in going back to the Option Qb's and once we get down by 14 we struggle... Most people would hate that offense on years where they don't have a stud QB... It just so happens Johnson has an elite QB who can run his system perfectly...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Fucking embarrassing reading this thread. I mean wow...

I seriously thought I was at another site for a minute.

Yep. Bunch of Pollyanna's. I'm glad I don't work with or get deployed with guys like this, they'd complain all the way to the grave. A whole lotta estrogen flowing in these here parts.

 

[koonja]

I'm not on the BK is on the hot seat bandwagon, but I really wish we could discuss things like this on a discussion board without people freaking out on both sides. I'm fine with hearing GK and everyone else out that is skeptical and/or wants BK gone. It's fair to discuss - he's not perfect, there are about 2 'perfect' coaches out there, and ND is an elite job so we do have options. I'll still take BK all day, but I want to hear what other think.

Same with my 'shout out and call outs' thread for players that got locked. I wanted to have a week-week discussion and see how players progressed and talk about them and see who's production drops, and who's stock rises. I really don't know why that got shut down, but it's whatever. I thought the comments I had in there were fair to every player. I doubt the players read the threads that aren't about them, and if they do and see that they're disappointing in said-week, these are ND men - they're tough enough to take criticism from some nobody's on the internet. Rant over. GO IRISH.

 

[AgentJ]

That's the problem! WE NEED TO BE THEIR PEERS. It makes me sick to my stomach that Boise St. is our peer. It makes me sick that Clemson is consistently better than us. I want to be Ohio St. BK won't get us there so let's try someone else.

I'm starting to accept that ND can neve be ion this level in the modern game

 

[tussin]

I'm starting to accept that ND can neve be ion this level in the modern game

That's bull though. If you look at recruiting rankings, ND has averaged a top ten class over the past five years. We get the players, now it's simply a matter of figuring out the best way to help our guys balance football and ND academics ("institutional support" in other words), coaching, and luck.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This is what happens when fans put tremendous expectations on teams. Yes, the coaches have some issues that need to be addressed and yes, the defense and/or DC need to get up to speed. But good grief, BK has brought ND back to relevancy all the while doing it with a tremendous amount of his starters either hurt, suspended, and/or transferred.

The buck stops with Kelly and I get that. He is the HC after all. But my question is a simple one. Who would be better at this point to lead ND? And not just a name from a wish list. Who would be better that would actually come to ND and put up with unrealistic expectations and an Admin that doesn't place football high on a priority list. I can't think of many.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[ThePiombino]

That's bull though. If you look at recruiting rankings, ND has averaged a top ten class over the past five years. We get the players, now it's simply a matter of figuring out the best way to help our guys balance football and ND academics ("institutional support" in other words), coaching, and luck.

I agree with this to an extent. We still deal with major academic and administrative hurdles that the football factories just don't deal with.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

How can you guys blame Kelly today? We were about to cover the spread away before the injury to Zaire. We have the shittiest luck in college football yeah but what other coach could change that.

The point I will make is I think the unimaginative short game and no planning for the contingency that Va., would sit back on the routes, (after playing man to man and getting torched against UCLA), was all Kelly. And he has succumbed to this kind of cerebral flatulence on more than one occasion.

Obviously, Kelly and Sanford were at odds. Five F-word odds. Sanford lost the battle Saturday night, but I bet he has won the war.

This isn't only Kelly at the tiller at ND anymore. Someone has been obviously forcing Kelly to save himself, from himself.

Which is and always has been his biggest problem.

That said, too much has been injected into this program to veer off path.

I believe Kelly will remain head coach until some time in the not too distant future, and then he will retire. Someone will take over from within the program.

I feel as strongly about that as the fact that Sanford's way will win through as the season progresses.

PS. : One thing that occurs to me that may help with the understanding of this thread, there is a big difference between "too much estrogen," and just having penis envy.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Along with JS, BK has helped the football program (as a whole) make enormous strides that no other previous coach has been able to accomplish. He has a national championship game appearance (although they got killed). Five bowl appearances in five seasons (3-2 record). A decent winning percentage (around 70% but it should be much better). Decent recruiting accomplishments. He broke the USC streak and has a winning record against them (albeit when they were down). He has some big wins on his resume (he also has some ugly losses).

Bottom line, BK has done what no one since Lou has done here at ND.

BUT...

...It could be A LOT better. And I think that's what most fans are upset about. Other than unlucky, snake bitten, injury plagued seasons, there is no reason ND couldn't have won 10 games per year under BK. His winning percentage should be much higher. Yet year in and year out it's just slightly above average. His issues with QBs are puzzling. His play calling always seems suspect. His defenses (outside of 2012) have been mediocre. His special teams are horrendous in some aspects (decent in others). His between-the-20s offenses are very efficient, but red zone play has been mediocre. Even in years like this past when they were in the Top 10 in red zone TDs, it should have been much better.

In no way am I on the "Fire BK" bandwagon, but anyone who may have him on a pedestal needs their brain checked. He's a decent coach. He's not a great coach. If you want 10+ wins every year at ND, they either need to adjust the schedule, adjust recruiting requirements, adjust the coaching staff...or a combination of all of them. Until then, ND will be a consistent 8-10 win team yearly with the occasional magical season sprinkled in. If that's ok with you, great. If not, then it's ok to question BK's future at ND. Personally, I want ND to be a perennial Top 10 team. I want the 8 or 9 win seasons to be the exception, not the rule. I want 10 wins to be the floor. 10 wins almost certainly keeps ND in the Top 10 and hovering around the Final Four. A chance at the playoffs is all anyone can hope for on a yearly basis. That's what I expect from ND.