Notre Dame Coaching Staff - What would you do?

[scooper]

Did I get any rep points?

Probably not. His post was sarcasm. As was Acamp's.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Probably not. His post was sarcasm. As was Acamp's.

As were my previous two my friend.

 

[scooper]

As were my previous two my friend.

What, you mean you don't really think ACamp could be the DC? I should probably take over special teams, by the way.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

Probably not. His post was sarcasm. As was Acamp's.

I know, do you really think I'm that dumb. Wait don't answer that.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

What, you mean you don't really think ACamp could be the DC? I should probably take over special teams, by the way.

or perhaps...

"Hey, Bengal Boy...fetch me a Gatorade."
(Insert Browns getting their stones handed to them again post here)
:banghead2 :hug:

 

[scooper]

I know, do you really think I'm that dumb. Wait don't answer that.

Honestly, lately, it's been hard to sort them out around here.

 

[Stalking_Eagle]

Honestly, lately, it's been hard to sort them out around here.

Yea you aren't kidding. I'm tired of beating dead horses. Same things over and over again.

 

[scooper]

or perhaps...

"Hey, Bengal Boy...fetch me a Gatorade."
(Insert Browns getting their stones handed to them again post here)
:banghead2 :hug:

Making a big deal out of the Browns getting whooped would be like celebrating the sun coming up every single morning.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Making a big deal out of the Browns getting whooped would be like celebrating the sun coming up every single morning.

Where's ACamp when you need him...He takes it more seriously than I do. Damn Browns

 

[scooper]

Where's ACamp when you need him...He takes it more seriously than I do. Damn Browns

After the lost 12 years of Bungledom, I learned how to laugh at futility.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

After the lost 12 years of Bungledom, I learned how to laugh at futility.

I hear ya man. I was at the 86 game against Denver with Cabbage King and the old man and after we had our hearts ripped out that day...it's never been the same. It all went down hill from there. Damn John Elway...

 

[ACamp1900]

What, you mean you don't really think ACamp could be the DC? I should probably take over special teams, by the way.

Irish is right, you'd be my water boy Bengal Boy.... if you'd work for free

 

[BGIF]

Hire Jesus...because nothing else will satisfy the complainers

Can't you just hear the questions posed by that pair of "journalists" from The South Bend Tribune that asked the hard probing questions last Spring about Clausen?

Right off the top they dust off His oft quoted Sermon on the Mount pregame speech to the Capernaum Fightin' Christians:

"Coach, do you feel your "The Meek shall inherit the earth" comment is responsible for the 60 sacks this OLine has allowed these past two years?


Followup question in rapid fire mode:

"Coach, is your 'Turn The Other Cheek' philosophy what's gone wrong with the pass rush? Would You be flexible enough to permit just a little bit of "nasty" attitude, say on, third and long?"


Sensing some defensiveness they continue to press:

"Do unto to others what you would have them do unto you", is fine strategy for the Service Academies but have you seen the schedule? We're not dealing with usurers and blasphemers here (Zook's not on the schedule). This is Notre Dame! That means the likes of Michigan, Michigan State, USC, and BC. We're talking Evil - with a capital "E"!" Will You make the grass grow long during the second half of the Trojan game in '07? Will You part the Endzone when Pharoh Pete's soldiers threaten?"


The attack continues with:

"Coach, do You accept responsibility that Quinn having fully embraced Your guidance that "It's better to give then to receive" is what caused those PickSix embarassments against Michigan and Michigan State?"


Finally the bottom line:

"Coach, is the basket empty?

With the dearth of talent on this defense can any Defensive Coordinator achieve success without another 'Miracle of the Linebackers and Passrushers?"

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Can't you just hear the questions posed by that pair of "journalists" from The South Bend Tribune that asked the hard probing questions last Spring about Clausen?

Right off the top they dust off His oft quoted Sermon on the Mount pregame speech to the Capernaum Fightin' Christians:
"Coach, do you feel your "The Meek shall inherit the earth" comment is responsible for the 60 sacks this OLine has allowed these past two years?

Followup question in rapid fire mode:
"Coach, is your 'Turn The Other Cheek' philosophy what's gone wrong with the pass rush? Would You be flexible enough to permit just a little bit of "nasty" attitude, say on, third and long?"

Sensing some defensiveness they continue to press:
"Do unto to others what you would have them do unto you", is fine strategy for the Service Academies but have you seen the schedule? We're not dealing with usurers and blasphemers here (Zook's not on the schedule). This is Notre Dame! That means the likes of Michigan, Michigan State, USC, and BC. We're talking Evil - with a capital "E"!" Will You make the grass grow long during the second half of the Trojan game in '07? Will You part the Endzone when Pharoh Pete's soldiers threaten?"

The attack continues with:
"Coach, do You accept responsibility that Quinn having fully embraced Your guidance that "It's better to give then to receive" is what caused those PickSix embarassments against Michigan and Michigan State?"


Finally the bottom line:
"Coach, is the basket empty?

With the dearth of talent on this defense can any Defensive Coordinator achieve success without another 'Miracle of the Linebackers and Passrushers?"

Exactly (and wittily put)...no one will ever be happy. Holtz has said that many times. When you lose, you should win, when you win, you don't win well enough...when you win well enough it's an easy schedule.

 

[irishranger]

If anything, most of us would agree that Coach Minter is the big disappointment. So if he goes I think that there is a coach down south that might be available, and is proven. Joe Kines will probably be replaced when Alabama hires a new coach. He is obviously a good coach, otherwise Alabama wouldn't have been any good last year. Let me know what you think O' Envied One

 

[MightyK]

If anything, most of us would agree that Coach Minter is the big disappointment. So if he goes I think that there is a coach down south that might be available, and is proven. Joe Kines will probably be replaced when Alabama hires a new coach. He is obviously a good coach, otherwise Alabama wouldn't have been any good last year. Let me know what you think O' Envied One

Aren't the assistant coaches heavily involved in recruiting? According to Rivals, Minter is the lead recruiter on Martin, Donald, & Harrison Smith. How much of a dissapointment will he be if be brings these guys in?

Also, I doubt it would play very well long term if Charlie dumped assistants who don't have the talent even he believes is necessary to win.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

If anything, most of us would agree that Coach Minter is the big disappointment. So if he goes I think that there is a coach down south that might be available, and is proven. Joe Kines will probably be replaced when Alabama hires a new coach. He is obviously a good coach, otherwise Alabama wouldn't have been any good last year. Let me know what you think O' Envied One

I don't think most of us agree on that...some of us do...but not most.

Honestly, I think our punt return coverage blows...kicks too.

We are 56th for Kick return yardage allowed: 20.16 yds/game
We are 114th in TDs allowed from them.

We are 108th for Punt return yardage allowed: 12.1 yds/punt (with no TDs allowed thankfully)

We are 40th in Kick Returns: 21.46 yds/ret
We are 88th in Punt Returns: 7.35 yds/ret

Given this, I would say that in some ways I don't have as big an issue with Minter...as I do with Special Teams.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Also, I doubt it would play very well long term if Charlie dumped assistants who don't have the talent even he believes is necessary to win.

If Minter sucks, Weis will fire him. It's really that simple.

 

[tchris555]

I think Minter should and will be let go. Who we replace him with i have no idea. This defense only got better because of going against worse offenses this year (even USC's this year compared to last year) and because they were a year older.

I don't have a huge problem with the special teams outside the atrocious place kicking. i dont know who's fault that is.

"Getting your own players" will have a greater impact on special teams rather than the D. You need quality depth in order to have talented guys on special teams (not 15 guys in two classes).

But, I've said it before and ill say it again, we have enough good players to have a better defense than we have. Look at our D line even. No Will Blackwell is going to come in and change the defense immediately in the place of Derek Landri.

 

[bc525]

good point tc...but I will hold my faith in CW....he has no tolerance for losing and when he thinks it's solely Minter's fault then he WILL do something about it. You can say fire Minter all day, but at the end of the day it is the CW's responsibility...saying fire Minter is really a shot at CW. Have faith in Weis, the guy IS the real deal and he IS going to bring ND to multiple National Championships!!

GO IRISH!!

 

[tchris555]

yeah no doubt, i hear ya bc525. we're pretty demanding and sometimes too much so. But like Holtz said, he always promised he'd bring THE best coaches to ND and expected to get THE best players. WWLD (L = Lou)

Let me pre-emptively mention that, yes Lou DID hire Minter.

btw, Dick Bumpas's D is looking pretty solid tonight. Is he too old to recruit? And is his D a gimmick? (2 lb's and 5 db's) or is it just a variation of the norm.

 

[Nardo!]

Normally, the 4 DL, 2 LB and 5 DB formation is referred to as the Nickel. It's a passing situation D and removes a LB for a DB. There are other Nickel variants, like the 3-3-5 (removes a lineman).

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I think Minter should and will be let go. Who we replace him with i have no idea. This defense only got better because of going against worse offenses this year (even USC's this year compared to last year) and because they were a year older.

I don't have a huge problem with the special teams outside the atrocious place kicking. i dont know who's fault that is.

"Getting your own players" will have a greater impact on special teams rather than the D. You need quality depth in order to have talented guys on special teams (not 15 guys in two classes).

But, I've said it before and ill say it again, we have enough good players to have a better defense than we have. Look at our D line even. No Will Blackwell is going to come in and change the defense immediately in the place of Derek Landri.

Honestly, you are making no sense.

You don't like an average Defense (they are just about dead in the middle), but you can live with one of the worst Special Teams groups?

Considering we have DEs who cannot rush to save their lives, I suspect that no amount of coaching could help them.

 

[ShivaIrish]

Normally, the 4 DL, 2 LB and 5 DB formation is referred to as the Nickel. It's a passing situation D and removes a LB for a DB. There are other Nickel variants, like the 3-3-5 (removes a lineman).

Although, even some teams with 3 lbs. actually are a type of variation because of the use of a "faster, smaller" lb. who can cover. I think that was kind of the point of Minter's formerly known as "apache" lb.

 

[tchris555]

Honestly, you are making no sense.

You don't like an average Defense (they are just about dead in the middle), but you can live with one of the worst Special Teams groups?

Considering we have DEs who cannot rush to save their lives, I suspect that no amount of coaching could help them.

All i'm saying is that with good depth special teams coverage will improve. I don't see that same argument applying as much to our D. I think we have above average talent on D.

Ironically you bring up our DE's. Victor is possibly a 1st round pick. I personally dont think he will be but his talent is unquestioned. I don't see a reason why we'd think, "oh just wait until Minter gets his hands on Neal and Trattou. THEN we'll have a better D". I'm just a proponent of not wasting time. If he's not one of the best, go get one of the best.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

All i'm saying is that with good depth special teams coverage will improve. I don't see that same argument applying as much to our D. I think we have above average talent on D.

But we don't that's the problem. Out of 11 starters only 4 or 4 were ever ranked with 4 stars...the rest were 2 or 3 stars. It shows too.

And let's be honest, some guys have not lived up to their potential *cough* ABIAMIRI *cough*

Ironically you bring up our DE's. Victor is possibly a 1st round pick.

Certainly not based on his quality of play. Justin Tuck was 10x the pass rusher Abiamiri is...

I personally dont think he will be but his talent is unquestioned. I don't see a reason why we'd think, "oh just wait until Minter gets his hands on Neal and Trattou. THEN we'll have a better D". I'm just a proponent of not wasting time. If he's not one of the best, go get one of the best.

We don't have the talent. It's simply not there...which is why we can't ever sack a QB...our pass rush blows. Our D line is getting beat on that every single play...unless of course we play a crappy school.

 

[tchris555]

im pretty sure tuck played the other side and pass rushing was his role. He also benefited from the coaching of Mattison, who was a good d line coach. The tuck thing is a sensative issue cause, as i've said before, I'm still mad at Ty for that. A few plays from Tuck last year could have put us in the NC game. (just 1 play against USC).

If its just a matter of talent then you are saying there are 50 teams with better defensive talent then us. 50 is a big number. I just don't agree with that.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

If its just a matter of talent then you are saying there are 50 teams with better defensive talent then us. 50 is a big number. I just don't agree with that.

There are a lot of 3 stars in the world...many teams have them.

 

[BGIF]

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Given this, I would say that in some ways I don't have as big an issue with Minter...as I do with Special Teams.

... and the OLine.

Zibby lost 4 yds per punt return for last year. (the one called back would have covered that).

Special Teams was NOT special. In year two they should have been.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

... and the OLine.

Zibby lost 4 yds per punt return for last year. (the one called back would have covered that).

Special Teams was NOT special. In year two they should have been.

Yup...I don't see improvement in special teams and that is pretty unsettling given how many starters play on special teams. Tons of talent and little results.