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I was politically/morally conservative after this week.

I remember when the Citizen's United verdict came in. I was convinced we lived in a time of an intractably conservative Court. But holy Geez!!!

Maybe I was right the whole time? Progress always wins, right?


Fantastic.
 

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Sarah Palin's daughter admitting to planning her 2nd pregnancy out of wedlock is just the cherry on top lol
 

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I was politically/morally conservative after this week.

I remember when the Citizen's United verdict came in. I was convinced we lived in a time of an intractably conservative Court. But holy Geez!!!

Maybe I was right the whole time? Progress always wins, right?


Fantastic.

You know? Not all conservatives are card-carrying Nazis, anymore than all liberals are card-carrying communists. The world is full of grey!
 

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I was politically/morally conservative after this week.

I remember when the Citizen's United verdict came in. I was convinced we lived in a time of an intractably conservative Court. But holy Geez!!!

Maybe I was right the whole time? Progress always wins, right?


Fantastic.

Well, don't get too excited.

First, was there really any doubt about the gay marriage decision? Some of the coverage I read referred to Kennedy as a "swing vote," and that kind of annoys me. It may be true in a lot of cases--certainly (and famously), he changed the result in the Planned Parenthood v. Casey case by changing his mind--but at this point his position on gay rights is clear. He's been writing the Court's gay rights opinions since what, 1996, in Romer v. Evans? He was not a "swing vote" in the gay marriage case. (As a general matter, this annoys me about how people talk about Kennedy. He has been on the court for decades now and he has clearly-defined views on most issues. I think he is rarely a "swing vote" any more.)

As for Obamacare, let's keep in mind that Roberts is a really conservative guy. His dissent in the gay marriage case is evidence of that, for anyone who thought he was going to start veering left a la Blackmun/Stevens/Souter. But he believes in judicial restraint, the King v. Burwell case was clearly aimed at frustrating the legitimate action of a duly elected legislature through the legal process, and a good judge should be very, very cautious about approving that kind of thing. Additionally, he is very cautious about doing anything as Chief Justice that would jeopardize respect for the Supreme Court and spur cynicism about it as an improperly political, rather than judicial, institution.

Not to dampen your excitement about the decisions themselves. I guess what set me off was just your word "intractable." Most of the judges absolutely are intractable. Nobody moved Kennedy and Roberts to the positions they took this week. They are very smart, serious judges--and they're basically conservative, make no mistake. Liberals just got lucky last week.
 
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You know? Not all conservatives are card-carrying Nazis, anymore than all liberals are card-carrying communists. The world is full of grey!

Easy Moose.

Nobody was calling you out... unless you felt it.

Did you feel it?
 

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Well, don't get too excited.

First, was there really any doubt about the gay marriage decision? Some of the coverage I read referred to Kennedy as a "swing vote," and that kind of annoys me. It may be true in a lot of cases--certainly (and famously), he changed the result in the Planned Parenthood v. Casey case by changing his mind--but at this point his position on gay rights is clear. He's been writing the Court's gay rights opinions since what, 1996, in Romer v. Evans? He was not a "swing vote" in the gay marriage case. (As a general matter, this annoys me about how people talk about Kennedy. He has been on the court for decades now and he has clearly-defined views on most issues. I think he is rarely a "swing vote" any more.)

As for Obamacare, let's keep in mind that Roberts is a really conservative guy. His dissent in the gay marriage case is evidence of that, for anyone who thought he was going to start veering left a la Blackmun/Stevens/Souter. But he believes in judicial restraint, the King v. Burwell case was clearly aimed at frustrating the legitimate action of a duly elected legislature through the legal process, and a good judge should be very, very cautious about approving that kind of thing. Additionally, he is very cautious about doing anything as Chief Justice that would jeopardize respect for the Supreme Court and spur cynicism about it as an improperly political, rather than judicial, institution.

Not to dampen your excitement about the decisions themselves. I guess what set me off was just your word "intractable." Most of the judges absolutely are intractable. Nobody moved Kennedy and Roberts to the positions they took this week. They are very smart, serious judges--and they're basically conservative, make no mistake. Liberals just got lucky last week.



Wow,

Thank you for saying all of that. I don't agree with... well almost everything you said fundamentally, but you're eloquent. I work with a bunch of miscreant youths, and I tell them to always understand the thesis of your "enemy".

I teach them all that as long as we're thoughtful and respectful, everyone wins.
 

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I don't think he felt it...

I think he felt a thread trying to generalize all conservatives.

And I will also state that I know nothing about politics, and I don't wish to get into it... but this thread reaks of "rub it in your face."
 

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I don't think he felt it...

I think he felt a thread trying to generalize all conservatives.

And I will also state that I know nothing about politics, and I don't wish to get into it... but this thread reaks of "rub it in your face."

I respect that.

You're right. I did do this to rub it in faces.

I think it's necessary. But.. I'm a bit of an asshole.
 

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Easy Moose.

Nobody was calling you out... unless you felt it.

Did you feel it?

I am easy......... like Sunday morning. I am against gay marriage, but not because I don't want gays to have rights. I would prefer that they have those rights through a civil union whose rights are directly tied to the rights of married people. That way, as marriage laws change, the same changes will be applicable to their union. But the important thing is their rights. Even though I would have preferred that they get those rights through a civil union, the world is certainly not going to end because the states have to recognize their marriage. And I don't believe the law compelled churches to perform the ceremonies? If that is correct, then what is there to freak out about? I still think being gay is wrong, but there are lots of things in the world that I think are wrong that don't offend me. It is their life, and they are the ones that will have to answer for it, after they leave this earth. If God really has a problem with gays, then he can take care of it then. If not, then no sweat off of my back.
 

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Seriously? Can you have just one conversation without calling someone a name? WTF is wrong with you?

I have beautiful conversations with people, nearly every day.

None of them are 'against gay marriage' though.

If you haven't heard, the way you feel is against our Constitution.
 

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I can understand being upset about ACA being upheld, but who really gives a hoot about gay marriage. It really has zero affect on you unless you're gay. If a gay couple wants to get married in a church, it is not like they are going to force a church to perform one if that church is against it, they will just find a church that does perform them (and there are many).
 

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This thread was created for no other reason but to troll certain people, which is specifically against site rules.

You know better.
 
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