'The Times are Changing' we are too..

[Circa]

After high-profile academic mistakes, Notre Dame wisely examining new options | Inside the Irish
"Talking with former and current football players, a routine day was often times 15-hours from alarm clock to pillow, including a full class load, organized study hours, lifting, film study and practice that command far more time than any NCAA 20-hour weekly limit can fully encapsulate."

We lean toward perfection with every new step. We see our future within these guys, and their forthcoming attitude toward football.
When can we allow them to be human.

 

[MNIrishman]

I read the SI article he linked. While I hate that Carson Palmer and TJ Duckett chose other schools, asking them to retake tests (<1000 SAT) isn't some big affront to their intelligence. If that's your personal best, the school wouldn't be doing you any favors by admitting you. ND is hard. That's reality. Of course, Saracino was probably being a dick and not making things easier, but while bending the rules is OK, you can't just set up a student for academic failure in the name of athletic success and call it good.

 

[Bishop2b5]

15 hour days??? What's a 15 hour day? I've heard tales of a magical land far far away where senior citizens and little children get 9 hours of bed time, but it was never like that for me in college. Between classes, labs, homework, and at least one job and sometimes two, an 18 hour day was the norm and 19-21 hour days weren't unusual and got me prepared for adult life with a job and kids. 15 hour days... PPPPHHHHLLLLLTTTTT!

 

[johnnycando]

I finally have a job where the norm is 8 hours / day.

0630-1430 hrs.

Loving it. Straight up.

But there was a time, I was finishing up a college degree and raising a family working a rotating 12.5 hour shift.

The hard times prep you even better for the good times, that way you recognize and appreciate what you got when you get there...

 

[Irish Storm]

I think 12 hours instead of 15 during football season is a very good idea. These long days have got to be a major reason why our top 5-15 recruiting classes rarely translate to the football field.

 

[johnnycando]

I think 12 hours instead of 15 during football season is a very good idea. These long days have got to be a major reason why our top 5-15 recruiting classes rarely translate to the football field.

12 hour semesters are probably a great idea.

Just sucks though, because you'll have to attend summer sessions to graduate on time.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

12 hour semesters are probably a great idea.

Just sucks though, because you'll have to attend summer sessions to graduate on time.

ND players attend summer sessions all ready. Always have. Most that stay on track graduate in December, after they play their final season.

 

[dshans]

I can't speak to "Always have" but it's been common practice for decades.

A classmate/friend/housemate graduated (in Engineering) after three years. He found a way to bend the rules without attending "summer school" and getting married after his sophomore year. He came within a hair of graduating at the top of his class. Talk about carrying a load!

15 credits per semester (30 per year) were the standard for remaining a full time student in good standing, assuming passing grades, in my day. It was common, though not required, for football players to attend a summer session and take one class.

I have no problem with the university reducing a player's academic load to 12 credits the semester of the football season on the presumption that they take and successfully complete at least one class of 3 credits during the summer session.

There would always and also be the option to take on the additional work load to graduate at the end of 3.5 years.

 

[Rack Em]

Because athletes take summer classes every year, they always carry the minimum (12) credits during their season. I think many are able to take 12 each semester too. It's difficult, but still manageable.

If they want the traditional college experience, don't play football and go to a state university. Oh wait...........

 

[Circa]

15 hour days??? What's a 15 hour day? I've heard tales of a magical land far far away where senior citizens and little children get 9 hours of bed time, but it was never like that for me in college. Between classes, labs, homework, and at least one job and sometimes two, an 18 hour day was the norm and 19-21 hour days weren't unusual and got me prepared for adult life with a job and kids. 15 hour days... PPPPHHHHLLLLLTTTTT!

The obvious doesn't seem so obvious for some of our kids. I'm with ya. I just don't see the reality of transforming a kid into something he'll never be. Irrespective of time spent,

 

[Circa]

I can't speak to "Always have" but it's been common practice for decades.

A classmate/friend/housemate graduated (in Engineering) after three years. He found a way to bend the rules without attending "summer school" and getting married after his sophomore year. He came within a hair of graduating at the top of his class. Talk about carrying a load!

15 credits per semester (30 per year) were the standard for remaining a full time student in good standing, assuming passing grades, in my day. It was common, though not required, for football players to attend a summer session and take one class.

I have no problem with the university reducing a player's academic load to 12 credits the semester of the football season on the presumption that they take and successfully complete at least one class of 3 credits during the summer session.

There would always and also be the option to take on the additional work load to graduate at the end of 3.5 years.

You even look smart.. but the real looks come from the other end of the spectrum.

 

[dshans]

You even look smart.. but the real looks come from the other end of the spectrum.

All right.

I give.

Huh?

What?

Regardless of whichever side of whatever spectra you choose, I can look both as smart as hell and as stupid as sh¡t.

Color me confuzzled.

 

[johnnycando]

All right.

I give.

Huh?

What?

Regardless of whichever side of whatever spectra you choose, I can look both as smart as hell and as stupid as sh¡t.

Color me confuzzled.

Right!?

I was gonna drop it.

All hell I'll go ahead:

You even look smart.. but the real looks come from the other end of the spectrum.

What in the fuck does that mean!?

 

[kmoose]

"Talking with former and current football players, a routine day was often times 15-hours from alarm clock to pillow, including a full class load, organized study hours, lifting, film study and practice that command far more time than any NCAA 20-hour weekly limit can fully encapsulate."

I would bet that upwards of 90% of D-IA college football players average 15 hour days. What makes ND different from the rest is the amount of that time that is spent on being a student, vs. the amount spent being an athlete.

 

[Circa]

Right!?

I was gonna drop it.

All hell I'll go ahead:




What in the fuck does that mean!?

If you find yourself in the Post a pic thread anytime soon, take a gander at the kid from IE. His date is easier to look at tho.

 

[dshans]

I know that my memory can be sketchy and more than a bit suspect, but as I recall a typical schedule involved three one hour classes three days a week and two one and a half hour classes two days a week. Tutorials, homework, reading, writing, 'rithmetic and labs not included.

I did have one class that met once a week for three hours my final semester. I'm surprised that my forehead doesn't have a permanent indentation from contact with the desk.

Freshman year one class met on Saturdays at 10:00 AM. Football Saturdays that was moved up to 8:00 AM. Cruel and unusual punishment!

I was not an athlete (I passed on joining the swim team after I was "introduced" to the pool at The Rock) but I did put in time playing softball, touch football, handball, b-ball, ice skating, etc.

Sundays were generally reserved for visitation hours at St. Mary's.

It was a good life. A rich life. Looking back I was glad that I was young and able to handle it – for the most part.

 

[dshans]

Just a couple of "notes" from Bobby Z/D with regard to the thread topic:

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[Black Irish]

I don't want to see anyone get burnt out, but kids need to get it out of their heads that college should be this fun life experience. College is work. Having fun and being fulfilled is fine, but at the end of the day, you are supposed to be busting your ass so you can come out on top.

 

[johnnycando]

If you find yourself in the Post a pic thread anytime soon, take a gander at the kid from IE. His date is easier to look at tho.

mmmmmbwahahahahaha.

Epic.

Thanks for sharing. I gotcha now.

DShans, your date was hot son.

Solid outkicking the coverage there.

 

[dshans]

DShans, your date was hot son.

Solid outkicking the coverage there.

I have a history of "outkicking" one thing or another.

How the hell do you think I got admitted to ND?

She was/is a real cutie! Me? I was a skinny ass bleached (sun & chlorinated pools) blond wannabe Florida surfer boy. With two broken front teeth.

 

[Irish Storm]

Maybe a Physical Education degree for these guys would be beneficial. A lot of these guys want to coach in the future. That's perfect.

 

[MNIrishman]

Maybe a Physical Education degree for these guys would be beneficial. A lot of these guys want to coach in the future. That's perfect.

That's really outside our wheelhouse.

 

[Circa]

Maybe a Physical Education degree for these guys would be beneficial. A lot of these guys want to coach in the future. That's perfect.

Would be fine. As long as calculus and all the other fundamental instruments are included.

Easy isn't the answer. How we go from here is of utmost importance to all involved.

 

[johnnycando]

I have a history of "outkicking" one thing or another.

How the hell do you think I got admitted to ND?

She was/is a real cutie! Me? I was a skinny ass bleached (sun & chlorinated pools) blond wannabe Florida surfer boy. With two broken front teeth.

You were a catch man!

ND degree.

And the boyish grin...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You were a catch man!

ND degree.

And the boyish grin...

Surfer blonde hair, you kidding me?

I don't know if any of you have been around long enough, but back in the day, ND had a killer PE program. It was so good, some took it at ND instead of a "typical" pre-med program. I can't tell you the number of movers and shakers that graduated with a PE degree from ND, but it is considerable. That is why so many football programs, first major coach was an ND graduate.

If you want I will find out from someone that knows.